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Hey Everyone,
I was just searching for hacks for my Zune, and came across another great Vista video.

Like going to a blues night club, it's a good feeling to know you're not alone in your grief!

Enjoy...


Matthew
 
Great video.  Imagine what Microsoft could do to Yahoo if the purchase every happens.  Do a search and get a BLUE SCREEN.
 
Matthew Schenker said:
I was just searching for hacks for my Zune...

Matthew

Matthew, a Zune?!  :o

I'm appalled. I suppose you'll admit to owning a Default drill next?
Actually I too have a couple of those but don't tell anyone.
 
Michael Kellough said:
Matthew, a Zune?!  :o

I'm appalled. I suppose you'll admit to owning a Default drill next?
Actually I too have a couple of those but don't tell anyone.

Yeah, I've been testing out various MP3 players over the past six months.  Each one has something I like, and is missing something another one has.  No one player just puts it all together.

I've been cruising the underworld boards, and I find that the Zune has the best available hacks.  There are great hacks ("Jailbreaks") for the iPod Touch, and I like the Touch design better in general, but the basic Zune functioning is a bit smoother.

I teach at a local college, and so I have to keep up with my students on technology.

Matthew
 
Matthew Schenker said:
I've been cruising the underworld boards, and I find that the Zune has the best available hacks.  There are great hacks ("Jailbreaks") for the iPod Touch, and I like the Touch design better in general, but the basic Zune functioning is a bit smoother.

Matthew

I know nothing about hacks but I'm surprised that you like the Zune best.
Actually I have a Sansa (something) because I wanted to be able to record FM broadcasts.
 
;D As some one looking at this on a computer loaded with the Vista operating system, and as a retired Microsoft employee, I still found the clip ammusing.  ;D
 
Frank Pellow said:
;D As some one looking at this on a computer loaded with the Vista operating system, and as a retired Microsoft employee, I still found the clip ammusing.  ;D

Frank............. an all this time I thought you were normal. :o

Al
 
Michael Kellough said:
I know nothing about hacks but I'm surprised that you like the Zune best.
Actually I have a Sansa (something) because I wanted to be able to record FM broadcasts.

This has been a fun subject for me, and I have been asked to write up some extensive reviews of various players for a couple of online publications.  There are lots of players I still have not tried.  But I've tested a 5th-generation iPod and an iPod Touch, two generations of Zunes, three generations of Archos players, and the Insignia Pilot.

In terms of sheer versatility, the Insignia Pilot wins.  It plays pretty much every format you can think of, has simple drag-and-drop, line-in recording, real Bluetooth, and good sound quality.  Also, it's relatively inexpensive (about $150 for 8 GB).  But it suffers from serious function problems (stalls and freezes up all the time), and its design is kind of flimsy.

The Archos players are amazing, again in terms of what they can do.  The current model, the 605, is more like a little media center that can handle audio, video, basic computer files, and uses real Web access.  I was using it to record my interviews for my articles.  But the company has a nasty habit of dropping support for their players and has one of the most unfriendly customer service systems I've ever encountered.  I'm not kidding when I say they act as if they are doing you a favor when you call.  The players start off expensive, then Archos charges you another $30, $40, $50, $80 for every little enhancement.

The iPods win for elegance, interface simplicity, and customer support.  The device is built with solid construction, and while playing it never freezes up.  But of course, you are limited to MP3 format, and you are bound to iTunes forever, unless you install a hack!  I used the Rockbox hack on an older iPod, but you can't get that to run on the newer models.  The iPod Touch has a truly groundbreaking interface, with real WIFI connectivity, and I love the way they designed the extras like contacts.  I just hate having to do everything through iTunes, and I am dumbfounded that Apple would not provide mass-storage capabilities on their "premium" players.  With the iPods, I always get the feeling Apple is strong-arming their customers and forcing them to comply with serious rules, and I'm amazed that Apple continues to command the MP3 market.  There are hacks for the iPod Touch ("jailbreaking" -- click here for more), but even they cannot give the Touch some of the features it lacks.  Even so, Apple is always releasing "updates" that block the hacks, so you have to actually downgrade your system software to get them to work.  Anyway, most of the iPod Touch hacks are diversions like games or fun apps, not basic functionality like drag-and-drop or mass-storage capabilities.  For the premium price ($300 for 8GB), you get very little in terms of disk space on an iPod Touch.  Also, the sound quality on the iPods, even the latest and greatest models, is not as good as cheaper players like the Insignia Pilot.

The Zune, even though it is made by Microsoft (who also produces Vista) has most of what the iPod Touch has, with a little more versatility.  OK, the Zune does not have a touch screen, but opinions vary on whether that's good or bad.  One thing the iPod Touch has that the Zune does not have is true WIFI.  Yes, the Zune has WIFI, but only for syncing with your home computer and other Zune users (something I've never heard anyone actually do).  With the Zune, I can handle both MP3 and WMA files.  Of course, it does not come close to the file-format capabilities of the Insignia Pilot.  For the price, you get a lot more disk space -- 80GB Zune for about $250; 8GB iPod Touch for about $300!!  The construction of the Zune is solid, and it never skips or freezes up while playing.  Finally, there are hacks available for the Zune that improve basic functionality like drag-and-drop and mass-storage usage.  You can learn about these by clicking here.  Microsoft seems to unofficially allows these hacks to survive by not deliberately altering the Zune system to block them out.  On this, Microsoft is much friendlier than Apple.  Finally, the sound quality of the Zune is far superior to the iPods.  This is immediately apparent the first time you play anything on the Zune.  Although you are bound to the Zune software (just as iPods are bound to iTunes) the Zune software is getting better and more friendly, and actually has some functions I like a lot more than iTunes.

Bottom line, it's a close call between the Zune and the iPod Touch.  Let's see which company comes out with the better improvements in the next few months.  I would not put serious money on this, however my bet is that iPods will continue to be in control of the MP3 market, but the Zune will get more market share.  The hacking world will continue to play a bigger role in making the players do what you really want, and I believe that the unofficial software available for the players will be increasingly important as time goes on.

I'll even go out on a limb and say that the way Microsoft and Apple relate to the hacking world will have a lot to do with their success.  The way to deal with the hacking world is not always so clear-cut and may not always require simply silencing people.  The company that has a more nuanced approach will win here.

In the meantime, if another company, like Archos or Insignia, can come up with a player that does everything the Zune and iPod does, while also offering greater versatility, they could steal away more customers.

The MP3 world is really confusing!

Matthew
 
Ok.

Zune?  No apple fanboy here but Zune?

The only draw back to the Ipod is I tunes.

Solve that problem right here.

yamipod

Its free and if the puter crashes and burns you can put your songs back on from the pod.

You can also load this progam in to a flash drive and get any music off of any computer.

Per
 
I bought my daughter the Insignia something for Christmas, it does ok, it does freeze up though. I do like how you can through just about any file in the converting software, and it does convert it. Hers is bluetooth, so I bought the same brand bluetooth headphones for her. I don't care for the sound quality, but for $50, she's happy. The one thing I really like is that she can hook them up to her Xbox 360 to charge the set, so I really don't have to mess with that part of it.
 
Per Swenson said:
Ok.

Zune?  No apple fanboy here but Zune?

The only draw back to the Ipod is I tunes.

Solve that problem right here.

yamipod

Its free and if the puter crashes and burns you can put your songs back on from the pod.

You can also load this progam in to a flash drive and get any music off of any computer.

To be clear, I'm not a fan of Apple or Microsoft.  It may seem that Apple is a "different" company, and I thought that way for a while as well.  Then I discovered the open-source community and learned that Apple and Microsoft are actually a lot more similar than most people assume.  In fact, the Yamipod software you mention is an example of what the open-source community has produced.

On MP3 players, I favor the Zune, but there are several others I like even better than the Zune.  For example, I'm looking at the Insignia line (one of which robtonya mentions above) and I like it a lot.  After I test all these, I'll see which one works best.

For an in-depth review of the Insignia, check this out.

Matthew
 
Good Afternoon,
Just thought I'd come back to this discussiuon.  I had mentioned that I was testing MP3 players, and was impressed initially by the Zune.  After some more testing, I now put both the Zune and the iPod line about in the same ballpark: not flexible enough for my taste.  I still put the Zune a little bit ahead of the iPod, but not by much.

As I continue to test, the one I continue to favor most right now is the Insignia Pilot.  It has the versatility I think people want in an MP3 player.

Stay in touch,
Matthew
 
Per Swenson said:
Ok.

Zune?  No apple fanboy here but Zune?

The only draw back to the Ipod is I tunes.

Solve that problem right here.

yamipod

Its free and if the puter crashes and burns you can put your songs back on from the pod.

You can also load this progam in to a flash drive and get any music off of any computer.

Per

That can be done with the utility from ephpod.com as well.  Use iTunes, and use the utility to move music around from iPods...
 
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