Great Day at Festool USA in the cabinet class

Garry,

The first two classes were held at the Festool USA headquarters in Indiana.  They also have a training center out in Las Vegas.  They recently announced that they would be having an advanced router class there.  They are working out the class subject matter and details for future classes.

Peter
 
honeydokreg said:
then we used the raz grinder to practice scribing. what an awesome tool for scribing!  no dust it sucks it all up!

Maybe when I suggested using the RAS115 to cope crown those raised eyebrows meant something?

Kreg,  keep posting.  There's more to share I'm sure.

Peter
 
chris is absolutly correct!  and it was nice chating with chris who has been building cabinets 3 times longer than I have and really knows his stuff, especially he will now be cutting wood with a Kapex!
 
here we are using the parrell guides to make the rip cuts for the sides and bottoms of the cabinet.  they worked very well and once set up it makes repeat cuts a breeze,  I would highly recommend these for these applications, especially while making cabinets on site.
 
Chris Rosenberger said:
WarnerConstCo. said:
The RAS is the most versitle Festool I own, I love that little guy.  Also frees me from needing a big ol' belt sander.  I think my bosch might be getting lonely sitting on the shelf all covered in dust.

You are correct about the RAS. That is me using the RAS in the picture above & I could not believe how well it cut & it was almost totally dust free. The only dust not caught was a small spot of larger bits on the floor right below the section I was scribing. If I had ground away the same amount of material with my belt sander, the room would have been filled with a cloud of dust & I would have been covered with dust.
Festool needs to push the RAS more by showing what it can do. I believe Festool would sell a lot of them if people knew how versatile it is.
I hope to be getting one soon to replace the belt sander I use for scribing.

I think you guys are right on the mark about the RAS. I have one that I bought before my dealer had the Festool line. He has never sold one and I think he has a significant number of customers that could benefit from having the RAS. I think I'll have to demo it for him. [wink] One of the nice features of this machine is the amount of work it will do before you get tired. If you use a Rotex for serious material removal, as smooth as it is, after a while the orbiting will wear you down. The RAS doesn't orbit so it is very easy on the hands. You can feel where it is on the workpiece and finesse it. That is why it works so well as a scribing tool. DC is still very good when you think about what is going on at the work surface. I love this machine.
 
I've always wondered if I could use one of these sanders and almost bought one a couple of times.  Now you guys have put it back onto my 'wish list'.  Thanks (I think).   ???
 
Hey, maybe it's a great day; however, where's the safety glasses?  Why are some not wearing them?  I don't mean to rain on the parade as it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye!!!
 
Personal Protection Equipment is important in the workshop, but not every operation automatically warrants it. I didn't hang out in the classroom the entire time, but I did not see a single operation that would have caused me to automatically go reaching for safety glasses. I wasn't in the room when the RAS was being used, but this might be one of the more prominent exceptions. Possibly also the use of Kapex, but I wouldn't normally consider it myself.

Yes, I understand that there are some that believe safety glasses should be warn as soon as you step into a workshop, but that is not automatically held true by everybody. The same could be held true every time you step into the kitchen as well, since there is a risk of hot fluids splashing or popping, but you are not likely to see very many cooks wearing face visors or other PPE.  Technically, every time I opened the lid on the smoker to check the status of the ribs or to stoke the fire, I should have been wearing a respirator. When I sliced the ribs into riblets, I suppose I should also have been wearing chainmaille gloves.

The lack of sawdust on the floor is testament to the low risk of projectiles and debris in the shop. When a cutter or moving component is fully encased within the body of a tool or within the body of a workpiece, I do not consider that to be a high risk operation.
 
When we were at the first class we were supplied safety glasses and hearing protection was also made available to us.  It is a personal decision. 

Peter
 
peter halle said:
When we were at the first class .....

Yeah, but what did you guys get to eat for dinner?

FestoolRibs.jpg
 
Michael is an excellent griller.  We went away full and there was plenty to feed the Festool family for days.

Peter
 
Rick Christopherson said:
Yeah, but what did you guys get to eat for dinner?

FestoolRibs.jpg

Those look delicious, Rick! You know, there's a serious rib shortage at the Hasslefactory... too bad I didn't think about holding that smoker hostage while I had the chance.  [big grin]
 
Frank Pellow said:
I've always wondered if I could use one of these sanders and almost boiught one a couple of times.  Now you guys have put it back onto my 'wish list'.  Thanks (I think).   ???

Me too Frank. I'm not used to being on the receiving end of the tempting. ;D
 
yes that raz is an excellant tool and it should be in all of our tools boxes,,, excuse me... systainers!  we all had eye protection and hearing protecion availabe.  the noise was harldy loud at all.  I play my cd louder than the noise festools make.

as far as eye protection when warrented I put mine on, but I do not feel they are needed for most tools.  table says yes.  router tables yes. 

 
One of the things I enjoyed about the last class  that Festool hosted was that some of the participants shared some of the unique things that they learned while attending.  Is some of that going to be forthcoming from those of you that attended this time around?
 
Yes I will be shortly adding things I learned and pictures, plus you might see somethings in an upcoming article.  but over the weekend I will add some great things so stay tuned.  since I have be away for 7 days, had lots of appts and jobs to get going so time has been short but over the weekend will have some more time to share.

As sharing is what it is all about in this business and in most business.  by sharing we all learn to do our jobs faster, easier and smarter...... um where have I heard that before !  lol

 
Rick Christopherson said:
Personal Protection Equipment is important in the workshop, but not every operation automatically warrants it. I didn't hang out in the classroom the entire time, but I did not see a single operation that would have caused me to automatically go reaching for safety glasses. I wasn't in the room when the RAS was being used, but this might be one of the more prominent exceptions. Possibly also the use of Kapex, but I wouldn't normally consider it myself.

Yes, I understand that there are some that believe safety glasses should be warn worn as soon as you step into a workshop, but that is not automatically held true by everybody. The same could be held true every time you step into the kitchen as well, since there is a risk of hot fluids splashing or popping, but you are not likely to see very many cooks wearing face visors or other PPE.  Technically, every time I opened the lid on the smoker to check the status of the ribs or to stoke the fire, I should have been wearing a respirator. When I sliced the ribs into riblets, I suppose I should also have been wearing chainmaille gloves.

The lack of sawdust on the floor is testament to the low risk of projectiles and debris in the shop. When a cutter or moving component is fully encased within the body of a tool or within the body of a workpiece, I do not consider that to be a high risk operation.

Namely that little known government agency called OSHA.
 
RonWen said:
Rick Christopherson said:
Personal Protection Equipment is important in the workshop, but not every operation automatically warrants it. I didn't hang out in the classroom the entire time, but I did not see a single operation that would have caused me to automatically go reaching for safety glasses. I wasn't in the room when the RAS was being used, but this might be one of the more prominent exceptions. Possibly also the use of Kapex, but I wouldn't normally consider it myself.

Yes, I understand that there are some that believe safety glasses should be warn worn as soon as you step into a workshop, but that is not automatically held true by everybody. The same could be held true every time you step into the kitchen as well, since there is a risk of hot fluids splashing or popping, but you are not likely to see very many cooks wearing face visors or other PPE.  Technically, every time I opened the lid on the smoker to check the status of the ribs or to stoke the fire, I should have been wearing a respirator. When I sliced the ribs into riblets, I suppose I should also have been wearing chainmaille gloves.

The lack of sawdust on the floor is testament to the low risk of projectiles and debris in the shop. When a cutter or moving component is fully encased within the body of a tool or within the body of a workpiece, I do not consider that to be a high risk operation.

Namely that little known government agency called OSHA.

I for my part don't want to be the one who has to pay premium fees on workplace insurance just because my employees don't feel like using the safety gear. Therefore, I included a paragraph in the contract that allows me to fire on the spot when safety rules are broken!
 
I am not much for wearing safety glasses but, I usually have a pair of oakley's on so I feel pretty good.

The 3 times I have had steel drilled out of my eye, guess what?  I had safety glasses on each time.

I know when to put them on and when they are not needed.  As I get older, I do find myself reaching for some form of eyewear more and more.
 
EcoFurniture said:
RonWen said:
Rick Christopherson said:
Personal Protection Equipment is important in the workshop, but not every operation automatically warrants it. I didn't hang out in the classroom the entire time, but I did not see a single operation that would have caused me to automatically go reaching for safety glasses. I wasn't in the room when the RAS was being used, but this might be one of the more prominent exceptions. Possibly also the use of Kapex, but I wouldn't normally consider it myself.

Yes, I understand that there are some that believe safety glasses should be warn worn as soon as you step into a workshop, but that is not automatically held true by everybody. The same could be held true every time you step into the kitchen as well, since there is a risk of hot fluids splashing or popping, but you are not likely to see very many cooks wearing face visors or other PPE.  Technically, every time I opened the lid on the smoker to check the status of the ribs or to stoke the fire, I should have been wearing a respirator. When I sliced the ribs into riblets, I suppose I should also have been wearing chainmaille gloves.

The lack of sawdust on the floor is testament to the low risk of projectiles and debris in the shop. When a cutter or moving component is fully encased within the body of a tool or within the body of a workpiece, I do not consider that to be a high risk operation.

Namely that little known government agency called OSHA.

I for my part don't want to be the one who has to pay premium fees on workplace insurance just because my employees don't feel like using the safety gear. Therefore, I included a paragraph in the contract that allows me to fire on the spot when safety rules are broken!

Smart move but premium insurance cost is only a small fraction of what it will cost if an employee (or student) looses an eye because the proper PPE was not being used.
 
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