http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=WcXzeI0cOlM&feature=emb_logo
Quick finger-joint cutting way for shop builds.
Quick finger-joint cutting way for shop builds.
Hardware Organizers (I like his enthusiasm)
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Exactly.jobsworth said:
I only build shop stuff if: 1) functionality I need is not available commercially, 2) home made is considerably cheaper, 3) home made is considerably better.
I admire the creativity, but would not waste my time making bunch of small hardware boxes.
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"I admire the creativity, but would not waste my time making bunch of small hardware boxes."
Agree. The time I have left is too precious to spend on something like this. When your 20 or 30 no biggie, you think you have all the time in the World. But when you're well over 60 times a wasting.
If I need them I make egg crate style drawer dividers from 1/4" SuperPly or MDF which are quick but not individually removable. I don't use them for storing fasteners so not the same application as Jeremy. I like his quick method of making box joints though.
Agree. The time I have left is too precious to spend on something like this. When your 20 or 30 no biggie, you think you have all the time in the World. But when you're well over 60 times a wasting.
If I need them I make egg crate style drawer dividers from 1/4" SuperPly or MDF which are quick but not individually removable. I don't use them for storing fasteners so not the same application as Jeremy. I like his quick method of making box joints though.
Waste of time is a perspective thing. No one has yet commented on the time he "wastes" in shooting and editing his videos. And I'm sure some people wonder why we woodworkers waste our time producing our own pieces.
I also used to frown when I saw photos of shops fitted with fine furniture quality cabinets...until I realized shop builds mattered to those guys, who might not even want to spend the same amount of time on making household objects. I have mounted two Krenov-style cabinets (pricey offset-hinges) in my shop for my tools; every time I work on a new project, they remind me I should strive to produce comparable results.
I also used to frown when I saw photos of shops fitted with fine furniture quality cabinets...until I realized shop builds mattered to those guys, who might not even want to spend the same amount of time on making household objects. I have mounted two Krenov-style cabinets (pricey offset-hinges) in my shop for my tools; every time I work on a new project, they remind me I should strive to produce comparable results.
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This. We all have different priorities. This was clearly important to him so have at it and enjoy the process and the end result. Who doesn't have some weird thing they want perfect? We all have shops with OCD obsessed plastic cases that stack and lock together.....ChuckM said:
Then add retail price of plywood and your time and multiply ... You will not outsmart economy of scale in your shop.ryanjg117 said:
There is a whole industry of small parts organizers because very trade and manufacturing uses them. Drawers, cabinets, wall mounted, portable, plastic, metal, every imaginable size, you name it.
It’s a youtube world. Without youtube he may not have bothered. There is a whole world of people who will watch it in spite of how they feel about the project (as long as the production quality is good, people will watch a video on tying shoes). I would gamble nearly nobody watched and then started building. A few might have learned a few nuggets and filed that away for their own projects someday. And maybe a few chatted on a forum somewhere...sending a few more to the youtube engine.
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Such observation is spot on for the majority of what can be found out there. Exceptions are jigs or hacks that are easy to implement.
As for the hardware organizers, a quicker or simpler solution is to close the drawer nicely, or put a foam material with cut-outs on the drawer bottom to hold the containers.
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Material and time he might just be cheaper making out of actual lego.
Svar summed things up well in his 2 post. You are not likely to save an money, manufacturing is a true marvel you can't win against.
Unless you want something that doesn't exist, or you just enjoy doing it, it's not going to be "worth" it. Far as nice stuff in a shop, well, there is always the practice factor. I try to have projects that are lesser seen, or lower importance to work out skills and such on first. Building a garage full of cabinets is probably a good idea over having the first go be ones kitchen.
At the same time, this is where it gets really annoying when something cheap and simple isn't out there, or as is often the case, not available in this country, or cost several times more than it would in other places. This is where things get very frustrating, what you want exist, and you would buy it. But due to things out of ones control you can't have it at a normal price or at all. This can lead to making stuff. This is very common with container stuff in the US. Very few metric based stuff exist, and suppliers either don't ship to the US or charge a fortune. So now you are forced to make something, which sucks to have to do. Europe really understands the concepts in storing things. Plenty of things end up being things that one person thinks a solution is commonly there and works for them and they don't understand why the next person doesn't see it that way, or something doesn't work for them.
I don't know his root reason for making this (other than content for his youtube channel), but if no bins existed that were a match for his drawer design, then I can see where this gets going. Clearly though he has put effort into working thru some level of "mass" production. More he makes the more he cuts down on the time for each. Over time, more fixtures and jigs to save steps and he could get to making this design quickly. Of course he would learn to change the design to make more and more sense. Why does he have finger joint corners, but just glues the bottoms on? He gets it all worked out and maybe he can crank them out to sell.
Svar summed things up well in his 2 post. You are not likely to save an money, manufacturing is a true marvel you can't win against.
Unless you want something that doesn't exist, or you just enjoy doing it, it's not going to be "worth" it. Far as nice stuff in a shop, well, there is always the practice factor. I try to have projects that are lesser seen, or lower importance to work out skills and such on first. Building a garage full of cabinets is probably a good idea over having the first go be ones kitchen.
At the same time, this is where it gets really annoying when something cheap and simple isn't out there, or as is often the case, not available in this country, or cost several times more than it would in other places. This is where things get very frustrating, what you want exist, and you would buy it. But due to things out of ones control you can't have it at a normal price or at all. This can lead to making stuff. This is very common with container stuff in the US. Very few metric based stuff exist, and suppliers either don't ship to the US or charge a fortune. So now you are forced to make something, which sucks to have to do. Europe really understands the concepts in storing things. Plenty of things end up being things that one person thinks a solution is commonly there and works for them and they don't understand why the next person doesn't see it that way, or something doesn't work for them.
I don't know his root reason for making this (other than content for his youtube channel), but if no bins existed that were a match for his drawer design, then I can see where this gets going. Clearly though he has put effort into working thru some level of "mass" production. More he makes the more he cuts down on the time for each. Over time, more fixtures and jigs to save steps and he could get to making this design quickly. Of course he would learn to change the design to make more and more sense. Why does he have finger joint corners, but just glues the bottoms on? He gets it all worked out and maybe he can crank them out to sell.
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