has any body put the domino with the flaps on the lr 32 guide plate

[Alan m]

hi all
i was deligted to see interest in my thread.  [big grin]
there are a lot of good ideas being thrown out there on how to  atchieve this.
i will try to come up with some thing myself later in the year when i can afford the lr 32.
i hope some one comes up with a design or ever a product (put my name down for one ). this would be a great add on of the domino and for the lr 32 as it widens its list of uses.

 

[Corwin]

Hey Alan,

This idea to use the Domino with the LR32 system had ben kicked around here for some time.  Maybe this thread will be the thread that propels this idea into a reality.

And Ron,

Have access to a break?  It might prove far easier, and result in a more affordable part if it were a stamped part, rather than one machined from billet aluminum or something else...

 

[RONWEN]

Hey Alan,

This idea to use the Domino with the LR32 system had ben kicked around here for some time.  Maybe this thread will be the thread that propels this idea into a reality.

And Ron,

Have access to a break?  It might prove far easier, and result in a more affordable part if it were a stamped part, rather than one machined from billet aluminum or something else...

Yes, and also a (press) brake...  [smile] 

 

[Alan m]

an idea has been rattling around for the last few hours. if you were to take a mounting plate for another tool(lets say the jigsaw) that goes on along rail and conected it beside the lr 32 plate. a block could then be bolted to the first plate with the domino bolted to that. this block could be easily removed and replaced in another configuration to give both parralel and perpendicular orientations. various blocks could be made of different angles to allow orientation at some comon angles ( 15, 22.5, 30, 45)
this is where i would start for my prototype.

 

[RONWEN]

Good thoughts, I've been thinking along that same line -- It should be useful for making shutters, etc.  As I think that I understand most folks want to reference or position the Domino mortises to some relationship with the 1400/1010 drilled holes for other applications.  I don't see a problem with the Domino bracket mounting on the same centerline as the router spindles. 

 

[Brice Burrell]

I've got another thought myself.  We've been thinking about using the LR32 plate to bolt the Domino to, what if we (by we I mean Ron [big grin]) made a bracket with two pins that fit into the holes in the rail and forgo the LR32 plate.  That way you wouldn't need to have the LR32 system if you don't want it, you'd only need the rail.

 

[Alan m]

nice idea . a simple 90 degree bracket and a few locating pins would get parralel  but what about perpendicular or in between

 

[Brice Burrell]

nice idea . a simple 90 degree bracket and a few locating pins would get parralel  but what about perpendicular or in between

Well, I'm thinking a second bracket to add to the first for a perpendicular mortise.  For angles, you could add a shim (wedge shaped) between the bracket and Domino to get the desired angle.

 

[RONWEN]

I've got another thought myself.  We've been thinking about using the LR32 plate to bolt the Domino to, what if we (by we I mean Ron [big grin]) made a bracket with two pins that fit into the holes in the rail and forgo the LR32 plate.  That way you wouldn't need to have the LR32 system if you don't want it, you'd only need the rail.

Brice, That would be very easy to do (making an independent Domino bracket) but if I understand correctly isn't one of the desirable characteristics is to be able to relate the mortises with the LR drilled holes for some purposes?  Still, thinking as I type, the fixture will certainly need a pin system to locate it in hole positions along the LR guide rail so it may be as easy to also use that part of the LR system also -- back to the idea of piggy-backing the domino mount on the LR bracket. 

 

[Alan m]

having our fixture with pins on the bottom would allow it to be droped into each hole to reference and would need to be lifted to move to the next hole.

i would rather use the lr 32 plate or make a new one so that the assembly can easily be slid along without having to lift it.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Ron, I think it can be an independent fixture and still be centered on 32 mm like the LR32 plate.  

Alan, I guess I can't foresee my using this fixture to make so many mortises that I couldn't lift it.  Like I said earlier, I envision using it for cabinet stretchers so we're talking only a few mortises per piece.  

 

[RONWEN]

Ron, I think it can be an independent fixture and still be centered on 32 mm like the LR32 plate.  

Alan, I guess I can't foresee my using this fixture to make so many mortises that I couldn't lift it.  Like I said earlier, I envision using it for cabinet stretchers so we're talking only a few mortises per piece.  

Now, in that case Brice would you want the Domino mortises to fall in between holes that were drilled with the router?  In other words would there be both holes and mortises made while the LR32 rail is still clamped in the same place?  How about a sketch showing the relationship of the holes and mortises?  If we only knew someone with SketchUp skills...  [smile]

 

[Brice Burrell]

I'd like to see the system holes (drilled with the router/LR32) and the Domino mortises on the same centers.  Yes, I'd like to leave the rail clamped to drill holes and cut the mortises.

 

[Corwin]

Yes, I also agree that the centerline of the Domino mortises need to align with the centers of the LR32 holes.  Many occasions to use such a jig will be to make matching left and right-hand side pieces to a project, and having the centers in alignment with the LR32 holes will enable one to use the LR32 end stops as they are currently used -- without this alignment, the usefulness of the jig will be seriously reduced.  This alignment will be needed for any and all orientations of the Domino.

I don't know how well one can rely on the sides of the Domino for alignment purposes.  I would think that the jig would require some adjustable feature to dial in the side to center dimension of the Domino with the LR32 hole centerline.  And, since you will want to index off either side (for left and right-hand pieces), you may want to use Rick's MGS-20 accessory to help in this aspect.

And you should either make the jig to be use in conjunction with the LR32 plate, or make a separate plate for the jig that also has a plunging mechanism that engages the LR32 holes.  A simpler plate that needs to be lifted off and reinstalled into the next set of holes will not be nearly as efficient as the current LR32 system.  And, I do see where there are several projects that would benefit from this because they would need a series of mortices rather than just a couple per piece.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Corwin, I'd prefer a separate fixture so I could rout holes with the LR32 and then without removing the rail cut the Domino mortises.  It wouldn't be possible/practical to rout holes with the Domino and router fixed to the LR32 plate.

I'd try to mount the Domino to the bracket/fixture with the sub-base holes in the Domino's base instead of indexing off one the sides. 

 

[RONWEN]

Corwin, I'd prefer a separate fixture so I could rout holes with the LR32 and then without removing the rail cut the Domino mortises.  It wouldn't be possible/practical to rout holes with the Domino and router fixed to the LR32 plate.

I'd try to mount the Domino to the bracket/fixture with the sub-base holes in the Domino's base instead of indexing off one the sides. 

I agree, I believe those holes are very consistent from Domino to Domino.

 

[Alan m]

any body have any ideas on how to make it adjustable for different angles. i was thinking of having something that would be bolted to either side of the domino and have two pins that petrude from it . a new plate with an opening in the middle that was big enough to allow the domino to rotate freely. the bracket with the pins could drop into holes pre drilled in the plate giving different angles. this would still allow the domino to rest on the work surface and would keep the center of the mortice centered on the 32 mm hole center no matter how the domino was turned

 

[Brice Burrell]

any body have any ideas on how to make it adjustable for different angles. i was thinking of having something that would be bolted to either side of the domino and have two pins that petrude from it . a new plate with an opening in the middle that was big enough to allow the domino to rotate freely. the bracket with the pins could drop into holes pre drilled in the plate giving different angles. this would still allow the domino to rest on the work surface and would keep the center of the mortice centered on the 32 mm hole center no matter how the domino was turned

Truthfully Alan I think the Domino/LR32 fixture has a fairly limited scope of uses if you start adding (somewhat) complex moving parts the price to make these is going to outweigh the benefits.  Moreover, I can see little use for 32mm spaced mortises at an angle.

If you really needed angled mortises you could make your own shim(s) that I mentioned earlier.   

 

[Alan m]

i was thinking that allowing the domino to be located around a central point by having two pins on some fixture that bolts to the back of the domino.there would be no moving parts as such as the pins would drop into holes in a special base. having this system would easily allow parellel and perpendicular and allow other angle at no extra cost. in my book options are good. even if there is no reason for changing the angle now that doesnt mean that the future wont. why limit your self

 

[Alan m]

what kind of plate or fixture could i use to slide along the rail that would not break the bank i would like to buy an lr 32 plate but if i do this i will have to buy the set and then will probable end up justifing buying the system to my self. is there a cheaper alternitave that would allow me to attatch a plate to that would mack my design.