Help with prioritizing purchases please?

mparka said:
You are in a similar situation as me!  I bought a house about a year ago.  House was built 1966 and few updates here and there but mostly original 1966.
Hi-5

mparka said:
I have the Makita LXT circular saw and reciprocating saw.  The circular saw is underpowered and will not be good enough to make the final cut for you but with Freud blade on it, it does cut quite clean and quickly.
I'm not sold yet on the LXT Circular - if anything it's dropped down further on the list...I'll see what rough carpentry projects need and decide from there.

As for the recipro saw - how do you like it?  All I need to do with it is tree and shrub pruning and to cut a couple of holes into the house frame.  Will that be enough or will that be one of those "oh why oh why did I" purchases?  I figure for $60 - why not?

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If I had to do it again, I would definitely consider Kapex.
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For $1300 I'd expect that miter saw to somehow magically cut inside copes (wow I just saw what a pain those were).  In the meantime, maybe I'll try or build something like this jig.
http://www.easycoper.com/video.htm

I don't really know much about the Kapex because I saw the cost and just about lost my lunch - but I'll read up on it and see if it fits into the budget somehow.  Are there any sub 1k 10 inch DCMS that I should be considering?

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OF1400 is an awesome router.  Probably best I have used.  End result just looks great if you don't have to fight the router and get dragged by it.
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I'm going to have a specific application where I'll need to use this as a table mounted router.  I have some reading to do on setups for this.  Also the size of the 1400's a bit of a goldilocks thing for me...not too big, not too small, just right.  The 2200's just crazy big and I'm pushing the envelope budgetwise for what will amount to specifically home improvement projects.  So  I'm on the right track with the 1400 right?

Thanks for the comments - and congratulations on the house purchase...  House hunting sucks but we locked in on a crazy 30 year rate - even the loan officers were shocked.

Cheers!

Mocha
 
EWTHeckman said:
I second the recommendation on the Fein Multimaster. I'm also working on an older home (mid-50's) and it is a huge help. It'll also help with sanding into the corners. As with Festool, it is more expensive than "common" versions of that tool, but it's worth it.
Noted - I'll price that out and add that to the list...I checked it quickly - and yep - that's pretty darn useful.

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I also noticed that your projects tend to fall into two basic categories: finishing work, and rough carpentry. IMHO, you may want to start with some of the internal finish carpentry projects and related tools. That way you can focus on purchasing good finishing tools first, and save the rough carpentry tools for later. When you move on to the rough carpentry projects, you can add those tools and then take advantage of the finishing tools and practice as you finish those projects. This way you can spread your purchases out over time instead of making them all at once. If you do that, you may just be able to afford that Kapex.  [big grin]
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Very insightful - so which 3 would you purchase first?

As for the Kapex...  I'm too much of a noob to understand what I'd be getting for the money...but I do see that arguments fall on either side of the fence, and unfortunately I'm on the "I feel like it's too much saw for me" side.    I'll do some quick searches and see what's the hullaballoo is over this hulk of a chop saw.  (apologies if I offended anyone Kapex owners - but it is green and it is huge)  :D

Cheers!

M-
 
Recipo, I have only used it to cut the tree branches that are less than 2" thick and for general around the house cutting of framing nail to put in a door way into a non-load wall.  It works well and those aren't exactly power hungry tasks.

Circular Saw, I probably use it the most than any other saw I have because it is so light and small that I can wedge it or carry into spaces that I wouldn't be able to with any other saw. For example, carrying it up into the attic to cut out a bigger hole for the replacement gable vent and soffit vent. 

If your budget for miter saw is below $500, really do consider non-slider like mine.  it's 12" blade and belt driven does allow for amazing cutting capacity.  It can't do certain things a sliding miter saw can do but I generally turn to my bench top table saw for that.

For router... I'm probably going to be either building or buying a bench top router table and a less expensive router to dedicate it for the routing table rather than trying to figure out how to get the nice OF 1400 in and out of the table.  Craftsman combo for around $100 probably is more than enough for my usage.  Still doing the research to find what would be a good fit to complement 1400.
 
Mochaboy said:
Not really. Festool routers arent designed to be mounted in a table (at least not here in the US), and won't fit the clamping mechanisms that most router tables use. If you're planning to do alot of table-mounted router work, grab a 2 1/2 hp Porter Cable or something for the table, and just buy an OF 1010 for hand work.
 
Mochaboy said:
Very insightful - so which 3 would you purchase first?

As for the Kapex...  I'm too much of a noob to understand what I'd be getting for the money...but I do see that arguments fall on either side of the fence, and unfortunately I'm on the "I feel like it's too much saw for me" side.    I'll do some quick searches and see what's the hullaballoo is over this hulk of a chop saw.  (apologies if I offended anyone Kapex owners - but it is green and it is huge)  :D

Keep in mind that I don't claim to be an expert. There are guys here with much more experience than me. That said…

1. Dust collection. You gotta have it. 'Nuff said.

2. I'm just finishing a project rebuilding a basement room from bare concrete. I used my miter saw far more than my circular saw, including rough cuts for the studs. In fact, I only really used the circular saw for finishing woodwork that's too deep for the miter saw. The (relatively poor) results are why the TS 55 is my next power tool purchase.

3. Not sure. Sander and/or router.

I initially thought the Kapex was way overpriced. But I kept seeing people talk about it, which made me curious enough to look into it further. I found reviews on it which caused me to drop the idea of getting a cheaper saw. Here's a handful which should be helpful:

Wood Whisperer, Part 1
Wood Whisperer, Bonus
Fine Homebuilding

Interestingly, the last one played the video review of the Kapex, then continued playing shorter reviews of other saws. After seeing that contrast, it just reinforces my personal decision to replace my current saw with a Kapex as soon as I can afford it.

HTH
 
Mocha,

Hi.   You've gotten some good info here, but I'll add my [2cents]...

IMO, the most important things are to 1) get the right tools, 2) define your needs (you have a good start) and 3) learn the "trades".   And here's where it gets rough - the order is reversed.   You need to "learn" before you can really define your needs well, and you need to define your needs well before you buy the right tools.  And here's where it get's really tough... The problem is that we learn by doing.  So how do we start doing with no tools!?!    

First, let's focus on one key fact - you are "remodeling" and not "woodworking".   Yes, it may involve working with wood.  But most of your work will NOT be in a nice warm shop where you are building cabinets, furniture, boxes, and such like you see in the slick woodworking magazines.  That's not what you're doing...

You'll be in the kitchen cutting holes in drywall and cutting sheetmetal, out in the garden digging holes and mixing concrete, and in the basement cutting and laying tile.  How about installing door, window, base and crown moldings? That's finish carpentry and it's done on site.  And building a tool shed, and deck or porch?   That's general construction and framing, and some finishing on site.   Sanding and repainting exterior shingles?  Onsite construction work.  While there's wood working involved, that's only part of it.  

So what makes me so smart?   School of hard knocks and making LOTS of mistakes.   I'm close to finishing my master bathroom rebuild.  When you tear out and replace all of the drywall, the entire subfloor down to the joists, all interior walls, all plumbing, and all electrical, that's a bunch more than just a little painting and spiffing up.   I've made every mistake possible.   Virtually all of my mistakes were from my own ignorance.    

What have I learned?    

Get smart about each job.  Start reading and asking questions.  There are a lot of good books and reference material.   Research before you work.   What looks simple almost invariably is not.

Meet code - there are lots to learn about building, plumbing, and electrical codes.  When remodeling, being code complient is important for safety. The Journal of Light Construction caters to tradesman and has a very good bookstore: https://m1.buysub.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/HomePageView?langId=-1&storeId=16301&catalogId=17803 .   I found the "Code Check" books to be excellent.  Here's the Amazon search: The http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_10?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=code+check&sprefix=code+check&x=0&y=0 .  Reading the Code Check books won't guarentee you'll meet code, but it's a start.

Move your workshop to the work area and not the reverse.  Here's a review of the boom arm for the Festool vac: http://www.talkfestool.com/vb/festool-reviews/75-boom-arm-review.html.  Notice where my vac and MFT is.   A nice 300lb wood working bench is wonderful. But not when it's in the garage or basement, and you're trying to install cabinets or a pergola.   Having your tools at your worksite will save you massive amounts of running around.  

Make sure that you have good dust collection for inside work.  For outsite work dust collection is less of an issue.   For inside work?   Mandatory, IMO.   Dust collection means a good vac and tools that have good built in dust collection.    Even when you're not cutting something, construction work generates dust - concrete dust, drywall dust, thinset dust, and wood dust from all sorts of tools like drills and hand tools.   Guess how much dust is created when you demo a wall?   You will generate more dust that you could possibly imagine.   You have to have a good vac to suck it all up.  

Get good tools first.   Yes, I know that you don't think your skills are good enough now to warrant good tools.  IMO that is exactly WHY you need good tools.  If you're a Pro with years of experience, you can make up for the limitations of the tool.  But if you're an amateur and not getting the results you expect, how do you tell the difference between a lack of skill, and the ideosyncracies or deficiencies of the tool?   At least with good tools, you're pretty sure that it's you and not the tool that's causing the problem.  

Get VERY good measuring tools.   Very good quality rules, measuring tapes, squares, and levels are critical for good work.  A VERY large number of my screwups were from poor measuing technique or poor tools.   For example, when raising the joists in my garage (long story), I spent hours trying to figure out why the support posts weren't lining up properly.   It turns out that the junk 4' level I was using wasn't accurate.   That's when I went out and bought my first Stabila level.   Problem solved.   Get good measuring tools and learn how to use them.

For what you're doing, my recommended tools are:

Reciprocating saw with several types of blades - Great for demo and general construction.  I have a Makita AVT for the big stuff and a Ridgid Fuego for more delicate work.    The Makita has vibration reduction features and is fairly comfortable to use.  The Ridgid is so small and light that it's easy to use one-handed - great for tight places.

Drills - For a lot of what you'll be doing like the pergolas and the decks, a good drill and impact driver (NOT impact drill) will be pretty much mandatory.  The Makita drills are good, but the Festool C12/15 drills are exceptional.   Once you get used to the quick change chucks of the Festool drills, nothing else compares.  The eccentric and right angle chucks will solve all sort sort of "weird" problems that you'll run into.  The C15 would be my choice for your use.

Impact Drivers - As much as I like Festool drills, for driving big lag screws (like you'll use for decks and pergolas), nothing beats an impact driver.   Drills are great for small screws and drilling holes.  The problem with driving lots of lag screws is that a drill transmits the torque to your wrist.   An impact driver transmits almost no torque.   I recommend the Makita BTD144, 3-speed impact driver: http://www.amazon.com/Makita-BTD144-18-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Cordless/dp/B001TWPRCO/ref=sr_1_18?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1314072881&sr=1-18 .  At the low speed/torque, you can gently tap in small screws (although a Festool drill is better).  At the high speed/torque setting, you can drive huge lag screws and never feel it in your wrist.

Miter saw - A miter saw is critical.  With a good miter saw and stand with wings plus a rough-cut blade, you can accurately cut 2X material easily and safely.   And the same saw with a fine tooth blade will give you precise cuts for base and crown.  It must be accurate with no runout.  Given that you'll be working inside, you WILL want good dust collection.   And if you're toting the sucker outside, it needs to be light weight.  So the answer is...

Start wailing and gnashing your teeth, but with as much work as you are planning and where you will be doing it, you want a Kapex.  I've owned a Bosch 4410L and a Makita LS1016.  Also bought and took back a Ryobi and a Dewalt.    The Bosch weighed 75lbs with blade and stand attachments, and was awkward to carry.   (Don't believe the advertised weight on their website.)   The Makita LS1016 seemed like a decent saw initially, but the dust collection was abysmal!  Worse, the first 1016 I bought had runout.   And the second, replacement 1016 had runout too! I took that back too.  After wasting much time and money on the other saws, I finally bought the Kapex.

Festool Vac - Tools with dust collection + Festool vac = nirvana.   When you start cutting lots of 2X4's or large crown inside the house, you'll understand why.   CT26 is the right choice for you IMO.   Fairly light weight and portable, excellent suction, and decent capacity.   As Per Swenson once said, they can pack 20 pounds of smutz in a 5 pound bag.  (I have a CT22 and just ordered a CT26. :) )

Fein Multimaster - A multimaster has no major role.  It does all sorts of things.   After you buy one, you'll question your sanity.  That is, UNTIL you have to solve some off-the-wall problem!  Then it's priceless and you'll love it.  I've used mine for everything from polishing out little dings in stone tile to enlarging a toilet drain hole in the subfloor to cutting out a damaged piece of decking.  

MFT - The Festool MFT is an excellent tool.  With clamps, rails, dogs and guide rails, it does all sorts of things AT YOUR WORK SITE.   With the flop-down guide rail, it's a good table saw.    Need to clamp a work piece for drilling, jigsawing, routing, or sanding?   No problem.   Have a recalcitrant piece of drywall that need be fine tuned?   Clamp it to the side of the table.  Having an MFT a few feet from where you're working makes your work MUCH easier.

Other folks have discussed the TS55 (and other circular saws), routers, sanders, and nail guns.   I won't add much:

-  The RO150 and RO90 are the most flexible sanders.   If you're sanding down shingles and other rough wood, get Vlies - A80, A100 and maybe A280.  It's amazing stuff.  It digs down into the cedar siding and decking on my house and removes the old stain but doesn't remove much of the grain.   (With the help of a couple fellows, I'm refinishing my decks - 1500 square feet of decking, railings, benches, and planters - this week. We're cleaning the dirt and mold off with chemicals, and then using Vlies on my RO90 and RO150 to get out the tough spots.)

-  For moldings, you'll probably want a 15g or 16g, and 18g for most of the moldings.   A 23g will probably be nice for returns and small cabinet moldings.  I have older (good quality) Porter Cable 15g and 18g guns, and a Cadex 23g pinner.    Cadex and Grex are top grade pinners.  I like my Cadex, but I'd probably get a 16g instead of the 15g if I had to do it over.   Brice Burrell is a finish carpenter and can provide good advice here.

- The OF1400 is probably the most flexible Festool router.  I love mine.  That said, it's not clear if you'll get enough use out of one to warrant the cost.   I'd suggest putting the cost of an OF1400 towards a Kapex.   A small plane, some sandpaper, and maybe a couple of chisels will do well for most roundovers, easings, bevels, and mortices that you'll probably encounter.

For tile work, approch this slowly.   It's can be far more difficult than what they teach you at the Home Depot clinics.   Stone tile adds difficulty.  Large tile adds difficultly.   Uneven floor adds difficulty.   Complex cuts or out of square rooms add difficulty.   (When have you seen a perfectly square room?)   Weak or bouncy subfloor adds LOTS of difficulty.  Check out the John Bridge Tile Forum for more info on tiling: http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?forumid=1 .   Lots of good people over there and they welcome amateurs.

Lastly, safety is job one.   With this much remodeling, you WILL get injured.   It just depends on when and how badly.   I've dropped hot solder on the back of my hand while sweating a plumbing fitting, scratched the tar out of my hands from sharp electrical wires, wrenched my right thumb pretty badly (three times), and got my work shorts caught in the belt sander.  In front. Close to the center.   [scared]   And then there was the time that I sanded off part of my left middle finger from the first joint to the end.  There's nothing that gets your full and complete attention like touching a running belt sander with 36 grit sandpaper on it.  At the hospital, I asked the nurse if I needed stitches.  She looked at it and said, "Nope!".  [big grin]  Then she said, "There's nothing left to stitch!!!"  [eek] )   Please... Be VERY careful.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Dan.
 
I would ignore all the calls for a Kapex and a MultiMaster.

An MM is certainly not one of the 'essential' tools, it's an extra that you'll use only on some occasions. Most things the MM does can be done also by hand tools like a chissel and a hacksaw. Now if you're a professional, of course you want the MM in your arsenal because it can save you time and money, but those guys can also calculate their tool budget in their prices. For a home owner who's only just starting out, I'd spend my limited budget somewhere else and occasionally put some more effort in the job at hand by doing it manually.

As for the Kapex, it is way overrated by the Festool fanboys on this forum. For many years houses have been built without a Kapex, woodworking has been done without one, and still is by the vast majority of the world, yet here on this forum, some will tell you the Kapex is the only miter saw worth looking at and the rest is utter crap. Don't fall for it. You can get perfectly acceptable results with a miter saw in the 200-300 dollar range.

 
Alex said:
I would ignore all the calls for a Kapex and a MultiMaster.

An MM is certainly not one of the 'essential' tools, it's an extra that you'll use only on some occasions. Most things the MM does can be done also by hand tools like a chissel and a hacksaw. Now if you're a professional, of course you want the MM in your arsenal because it can save you time and money, but those guys can also calculate their tool budget in their prices. For a home owner who's only just starting out, I'd spend my limited budget somewhere else and occasionally put some more effort in the job at hand by doing it manually.

As for the Kapex, it is way overrated by the Festool fanboys on this forum. For many years houses have been built without a Kapex, woodworking has been done without one, and still is by the vast majority of the world, yet here on this forum, some will tell you the Kapex is the only miter saw worth looking at and the rest is utter crap. Don't fall for it. You can get perfectly acceptable results with a miter saw in the 200-300 dollar range.

I agree and disagree with the above.

I tend to agree with what you say about the Kapex and that budget would be far better spent on other tools. You can achieve perfectly good results with much cheaper saws though you might have to work a little harder to achieve them. I can't see a Kapex being justified to renovate a single home.  

I'm not so sure about your advice re the Multimaster. It is so incredibly versatile and in my opinion it does do things that can't be achieved either easily or at all with other tools. It might be worth considering one of the many copies available nowadays (maybe the Bosch blue).

The other thing to consider is that many very competent DIY projects are achieved using very cheap tools. Buying Festool won't suddenly make a person competent or knowledgeable. Simply owning a Festool tool doesn't buy you an ounce of experience. Pretty much everything any Festool tool does can be achieved with patience skill and extra time by tools that cost a fraction of what Festool stuff costs. There might be some sense in just going out and buying anything cheap and getting started. Once someone has got some experience under their belt they would be in a far better position to go out and make informed decisions. The cheap stuff will either die and be replaced with something better with the advanatage of an informed decision or be handy to use for those rough jobs that you don't want to inflict on the more expensive tools that you own further down the line.

I say this with the experience of being convinced a few months ago that I deserately needed an OF1400 and a Kapex. Neither would have been sensible purchases for my business though at one time I was trying really hard to convince myself they would be. Festool can get you like that! Don't forget that the vast majority of the most skilled carpentry in the world is done by people that haven't even heard of Festool.  My Dewalt 625 is still a really good router and an even better one coupled with a CT26. I bought a Hitachi sliding chopsaw for £240.00 and am really pleased with the results. I may buy the Kapex and OF1400 one day if and when the time is right. (and the MFT, a sander or two and so on and.......)

Festool is great stuff and could be justified on dust collection capabilities alone but what the OP needs most of all right now is experience IMHO. Ayrton Senna would not have been one of the greatest drivers ever if he had gone straight from karts into a Formula One McClaren! ( I remain dubious about the validity of that analogy too.)

 
mocha,

I am going to called a blasphemer here after this post. Since you have no real woodworking contruction experiance my advice to you is go with the basics.

Contractors tables saw. Good drill/impact combo (i use a makita) a router maybe a pc or bosch. a 15 ga nail gun, small compressor. If you have not sprayed before I would look at brush on varnishes.

I like the makita SCMS. I own the kapex but if I didnt get the Kapex it would be a makita.

now my reasons, you can get ply ripped down the center mostly for free at most lumber yards. you can cut your rough lumber with the SCMS. You can also just rent equipment and tooling too.

Once you get some experiance and decide you like this hobby, then go spend some $$$ on good quality tools like festool.

3-4K spent on festools goes pretty quick

That is my opinion
 
Keep your tool money in the bank, get off tool forums, and focus on ONE project at a time.  Learn all you can about the specifics of that project.  Buy tools as necessary to complete that job.  Otherwise in a couple years you will have a basement full of tools, a handfull of half completed jobs, and a wife who will look at you funny every time you bring another tool home.

I agree that it makes sense to buy good tools once, but do you really need a $1,200 dollar miter saw or a $500 dollar sander?  With your jobs listed I don't even see where you will use the router.

If you are interested in becoming a woodworker then maybe your priorities will be different, but with the list of Honey-Do's you have you will not have any spare time for woodworking for at least 2-3 years.  Focus on the basics:  circ saw, cordless drill, sawsall, and shop vac and buy other tools as the jobs require.

One more piece of advice, don't start any project until you have a clear picture of how you are going to get the job done.  Demo is easy, starting new projects fun, finishing them up is where tedium sets in as all the little finish up tasks take loads of time.  Get bids on all of the major jobs you are contemplating, then compare the cost of having the job done professionally with the time spent doing it as an amateur.  The purchase of specialized tooling to finish specific jobs should also weigh into your decision.
 
i think you should get a good vac (other half will love it) a good sander (ro150 and some way to do corners , maybe ro90), a decent chop saw (there is nothing wrong with a 7 inch one, i have one (bought after )  my 12" one . if you will be cutting a lot of sheet goods then the ts55 wont go astray. after that a compressor and gun and good drill impact combo. get a good set of hand tools. if you need a router then get one of the porta cable ones and get a second base for the table. that way down the road you can get a plunge router for other work. i have a multimaster and use it all the time around the house (most jobs it comes out) not so much on paying jobs  ???
 
I'm not sure if any of you are photographers but let me share a little chart with you that clearly illustrates my purchase path over the last 5 years for one of my other passions.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/861087

I've spent nearly 25k on photography gear over the last 5 years,  and I made it all back in just under a year when I finally started shooting weddings.   To give you guys some perspective on that, in the profession - wedding photography is generally considered one of the pinnacles of achievement out of the different genres.  That required 5 solid years of training and workshops, and videos and apprenticeships but when you do something that comes naturally in a manner that allows you pay for the tools and then some - boy it's nirvana.  I essentially went from knowing nothing - to knowing enough to teach workshops on photography and all the ancillary skills that it comprises.  Photography is my first passion (apart from my beautiful wife and daughter) , sharing what I learn is my second.

Now here's the thing - we have a running joke in photography with people who are new to the craft and are potentially serious about it.  When they ask how much an entry level camera is - we say about 8,000 dollars.  We say that jokingly, but it's true to an extent.  I bought an entry level camera - grew out of that, then bought a pro grade DX camera, then grew out of that - then a pro-sumer full frame, then grew out of that - and finally ended up with a pro-grade full frame camera - practically the best you can buy for wedding photography.

I mention all that because I understand 110% what the value of a tool is, and as I read more, I'm starting to form an opinion on what's necessary, what's nice to have, and most importantly, how much can I get away with with X-brand.  The difference here is that - I won't be making a living out of any of this, and apart from the odd shaker table here and there for sh*ts and giggles, I won't be investing myself in a way that these tools would deserve.

I'll say this much - they got it right with the Kapex based on the info that a lot of you have sent me (damn that wood whi$perer!!!) - what I'm not convinced of is - is it enough to justify 2x the price.  That's my personal demon to deal with - and I'll think long and hard on it.  What I get from what you're all saying is that, ultimately you took the plunge, it hurt at the counter, but that went away when you did your first cut.  From my perspective, it's a tool I could grow in to - but not for at least another 10 years.  It really is a fine wood working tool and I think what I'm after is more along the lines of rough carpentry tools.

That said - I appreciate all of the opinions posted here - every single one of them has been helpful and I'm getting closer to a good list for the first round.

Oh and Alan - thank you so much for that thoughtful response - I feel bad because you probably used that time you would have otherwise used for building something in your workshop.   I've added some of the items you mentioned to my spreadsheet and will figure out where and when I can purchase them.

I forgot to mention one other thing - I'm a technical project manager by trade so putting together and resource plans and time lines is second nature to me.  It's fun to see your work skills translate into your hobbies for a change :)

As an aside I received my first project requests from my boss.
* a picnic table
* an end grain rock maple cutting board

The rock maple project made me laugh - $4,000 worth of gear to turn $23 worth of raw turning stock into what would otherwise be a $385 Boos block.  If the first one comes out ok - I'll look at options to build a bigger one on casters :D  

Again thank you for all of your great posts - I'm soaking this up as fast as you can dish it out.

Just to spread the conversation out a little bit - I'm interested in seeing what you guys read or what your favorite sites are to research projects and tools.  I'd very much appreciate if you could share some of those links.

Cheers

 
Kevin Stricker said:
Keep your tool money in the bank, get off tool forums, and focus on ONE project at a time.  Learn all you can about the specifics of that project.  Buy tools as necessary to complete that job.  Otherwise in a couple years you will have a basement full of tools, a handfull of half completed jobs, and a wife who will look at you funny every time you bring another tool home.

I agree that it makes sense to buy good tools once, but do you really need a $1,200 dollar miter saw or a $500 dollar sander?  With your jobs listed I don't even see where you will use the router.

If you are interested in becoming a woodworker then maybe your priorities will be different, but with the list of Honey-Do's you have you will not have any spare time for woodworking for at least 2-3 years.  Focus on the basics:  circ saw, cordless drill, sawsall, and shop vac and buy other tools as the jobs require.

One more piece of advice, don't start any project until you have a clear picture of how you are going to get the job done.  Demo is easy, starting new projects fun, finishing them up is where tedium sets in as all the little finish up tasks take loads of time.  Get bids on all of the major jobs you are contemplating, then compare the cost of having the job done professionally with the time spent doing it as an amateur.  The purchase of specialized tooling to finish specific jobs should also weigh into your decision.

Kevin thank you for your thoughtful opinion.  

I'm absolutely going to focus on the basics for the first pass, then review in 6 months how far along I am.  I have 3 weeks of vacation in November and December and am planning all the projects for that time frame now.  I'll need everything in place by then and will focus on the low hanging fruit first just to get my feet wet.

To your point of "beginning with the end in mind" (for you Stephen Covey fans) - I'm relying on my photography skills, specifically the planning and pre-visualization tasks to get me through those projects.  For commercial projects - we sketch up story boards/mock ups so we have a clear idea of what it is we're trying to create.  We leave room for creative spontaneity but our shoots would be painful if we didn't have the technicals done first as well as a solid plan.  I find that those skills have come in handy for this type of planning as well.  Same process, different terminology - and these damn building codes (grrrr)...

I'm not going to be a professional workworker - there are just not enough hours in the day for 2 passions, but I do want to be at least a competent remodeler with tools that I can grow into.  

Again thank you for your posts - this has been extremely helpful for me.

Cheers!

Mocha

On the router question - roughly 40 wood panels were harvested from demo work done a few years ago when the original owners added an addition to the house.  These rough panels were re-purposed as moldings for door frames and window aprons throughout the first floor.   I'm going to remove those panels one by one and finish them (sand the surface and decorative edging).  That's not a weekend project and I'll be spreading that out over time.  The suggestion had been made to look into the 1010 - and I just might do that.

 
Lots of good advice in this thread - I'm on the fence whether to suggest a solid Festool line or getting just a tool that will do the job.  So here are some random thoughts...

A critical decision is how much you care about dust control.  If you are serious about it, Festool is a system and almost all tools (except drills) are engineered for good dust control.  Yeah, most tools have some sort of crappy plastic accessory that will plug into a shop vac, but they are mostly awkward to use and not very effective.  And, if you are like me, if its awkward to use I just won't use it.

Some of these projects may keep your house torn up for long periods of time, and even the most saintly of wives get cranky after a couple of weeks of dust everywhere. [eek]

On the other hand, if you can do most of the work in the garage or outside, dust may not be an issue.

A big advantage of good DC for hobbyists is that you can use that odd half hour of free time productively, instead of using the last twenty minutes to clean up.  With a Festool sander, there is almost no cleanup time.

Now, some good news - Festools have incredible resale value.  You can buy a tool, use it for a project or two, then sell it for 3/4 of what you paid for it.  So the risk is actually pretty low.  If that router winds up sitting on the shelf, put it on craigslist and use the $$ for something you really need.

Hope you will keep us informed on how it all goes!
 
Kevin Stricker said:
... focus on ONE project at a time.  Learn all you can about the specifics of that project.  Buy tools as necessary to complete that job.

Kevin is completely correct here.
While the discipline of completing the job is difficult the purchase of tools is (relatively) easy.
Yes this is a site about Festools and they are very good tools but I think what the most important thing is what you can do with them.

Kevin Stricker said:
One more piece of advice, don't start any project until you have a clear picture of how you are going to get the job done.  Demo is easy, starting new projects fun, finishing them up is where tedium sets in as all the little finish up tasks take loads of time.

Completely correct!
If you can learn to use Sketchup to plan and catch (visualize) problems before you start.
Don't get frustrated by the endless "yak shaving" steps (that you didn't foresee) to finish projects. It's the nature of the type of projects you are going to be doing that trying to complete one project creates 3 others.
If you get stuck, ask questions. I am sure there is someone willing to help.
Good luck.
Tim
Tim
 
Kevin Stricker said:
Keep your tool money in the bank, get off tool forums, and focus on ONE project at a time.  Learn all you can about the specifics of that project.  Buy tools as necessary to complete that job.  Otherwise in a couple years you will have a basement full of tools, a handfull of half completed jobs, and a wife who will look at you funny every time you bring another tool home.

I agree that it makes sense to buy good tools once, but do you really need a $1,200 dollar miter saw or a $500 dollar sander?  With your jobs listed I don't even see where you will use the router.

If you are interested in becoming a woodworker then maybe your priorities will be different, but with the list of Honey-Do's you have you will not have any spare time for woodworking for at least 2-3 years.  Focus on the basics:  circ saw, cordless drill, sawsall, and shop vac and buy other tools as the jobs require.

One more piece of advice, don't start any project until you have a clear picture of how you are going to get the job done.  Demo is easy, starting new projects fun, finishing them up is where tedium sets in as all the little finish up tasks take loads of time.  Get bids on all of the major jobs you are contemplating, then compare the cost of having the job done professionally with the time spent doing it as an amateur.  The purchase of specialized tooling to finish specific jobs should also weigh into your decision.
Given the things that the OP wants to do, I stand by my original suggestions.  However Kevin's points about WHEN they are purchased are excellent! 

A couple of notes...

First, a MultiMaster is a great tool.  At the time I bought mine, that was the only thing that was available.  Now you can get knockoffs which are based on the older design for less than $100 that will do most of what a MultiMaster will do. 

Second, there's the question about a miter saw in general and a Kapex in particular.  From my reading of Mocha's list of projects, a miter saw is a better tool overall.  The Kapex is a very good saw.  OTOH, it's very expensive, and it's difficult to justify based on cost and the competition. 

For general purpose carpentry, a cheap chop saw will suffice.    For precision finish carpentry, then it get's more difficult.  You can get a nice Makita or Milwaukee for a lot less money (but still more than $500) that will give good results.  What you typically do NOT get is dust collection and low weight.  How much low weight and good dust collection is worth to you is a personal decision.  For me, as one who is living in the home that I'm remodeling and who has a bad back, it's very important!  Each to his own.

Regards,

Dan.
 
Good thread with lots of great advice and really there is no wrong answer.  Basically I look at it in terms of tools that you can use for carpentry and woodworking and as Jesse mentioned, tools that hold resale value in case this new venture is not something that you want to pursue.  I think Festool represents the best overall value of any of the other manufacturers out there.  Aside from quality that is top notch, everything is designed very well and critical things like dust collection are not an afterthought.  Also, Festool offers more accessories to optimize each tool that just about any manufacturer out there -- so one tool can be used for a lot of different tasks without the added expense of buying a new tool for that purpose.  Take the drill, for example.  With the set, you get several drills in one unit and swapping out the chucks can be a lifesaver, especially with remodeling.  Nothing sucks worse than being in the middle of a project (like drilling holes for wiring or plumbing) and reach a point where you need a right angle drill to make the hole and not having it.  With the Festool, slap the right angle chuck on it and you are good to go.  With other brands, it is off to the store to rent or buy a right angle drill for the job.  This is just one example and you will encounter several others as you dive into your projects. 

IMHO, I would concentrate on the following power tools for your projects in the following order:

1.  Festool Drill -- either a C or T series -- depends on what grip is comfortable -- this is one tool that you will use more than any other for your projects and around the house stuff.  I have owned several other brands, models and nothing compares for its versatility, ergonomics, power and functionality.

2.  TS saw -- this is a must-have tool as it allows you to cut 2x, sheet goods and a host of things with table saw accuracy. 

3.  I would add an MFT/3 to the mix at the same time and save some money and the MFT/3 is a great station to use for assembly, sanding and finish work and you can take it with you to the location saving you trips or saving you from having to work on the floor -- been there and done that.  The MFT also allows accurate cross-cutting of wide stock and the miter gauge allows you to do angled cuts.  While it is not a replacement of a miter saw, you can accomplish a lot of work with this system.

4.  Rotex 150 -- this is the best all around sander Festool makes IMHO.  It is so versatile for everything from fine sanding, polishing and rough sanding that this is another must-have tool.  You can add other sanders as the need arises, but this one tool will allow you to do a lot of different finishing tasks quickly.

5.  Dust collection -- a CT unit is the ultimate system here and if you couple it with another tool, you can save money with the package deal.

6.  Router -- the 1400 is a great all around router, but you can also consider the OF1010 -- this is a very versatile machine that is light weight and packs plenty of power for most routing tasks.  You are limited to bit size here, but for general hand-held routing it is a great machine.

7.  Compound Miter Saw -- The Kapex is awesome -- I do not own one, but would love to have one some day.  If I had to install a lot of Crown, this would be a must-have

8.  Nail guns and compressor - a pin/brad nailer and/or finish nailer would be critical for all of your finish work.  I have a 15 year old Senco brad nailer that works well, but some of the other brands are better

Do not forget about accessories to get the most out of your tools -- I figure a couple hundred more to the cost of each major tool you buy to start -- routers need a range of bits, edge guides, etc..., saws need extra blades, sanders need sand paper, MFT/3's need clamps, etc... These can be added later or as needed, but there are certain items you will need at the time of purchase.  All of this stuff adds up quickly, just like filters, cable releases, ball-heads and tripods add up for camera gear (that is my other main hobby too).

Good luck with your decisions and have fun in the process.

Scot
 
Here's the mitre saw I purchased recently. It was on a bit of a whim as I was only in a local tool shop to buy a blade for my TS.

http://www.drillspot.com/products/1397809/hitachi_power_tools_c8fse_compound_sliding_miter_saw?s=1

It is an 8.5 inch saw and only weighs 31 lbs with a crosscut of just over 12 inches. It will do any crown moulding or cornice if you lay it flat which can't be the hardest technique to master (he says having not got round to that yet!). It only costs about $350 as well and I have found it to very accurate.You wll need to add a decent blade to that price, it only comes with a 28 tooth ripping blade.
 
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