Hinge adjustment question

[festal]

Hello all. We moved into a house that had ikea kitchen installed and some of the cabinet doors need adjustment. These seem to be euro style hinges and I can’t seem to figure out how to adjust them correctly . As you can see in the picture door is a bit crooked

Here is a picture of the hinge

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[waho6o9]

The Pozi adjustment screw closest to the door moves in or out for adjustment.
Or, upgrade the hinges that have more adjustments. 
All the best.

 

[Cheese]

Here's an easy 3D cheat sheet for current Blum hinges...this may help.

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[Packard]

“Pozi” is a type of screw driver that is similar to a Phillips screw driver and is easily confused with one.

It is best to get a “Pozi” screw driver.  It will save the screw heads from damage.

Don’t buy it from Amazon.  They want $28.00 from one of their 3rd party sellers.

You can find it for about $8.00.  Or buy the bits and use it in your bit holder.

Look:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pozidriv screwdriver&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-m

 

[ChuckM]

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It is best to get a “Pozi” screw driver.  It will save the screw heads from damage.

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Shouldn't it be the other way round? My cabinet installer friend told me I could use my regular Phillips screwdriver on my Blum hinges with no worries.
https://bsfixings.uk/blog/the-difference-between-phillips-and-pozi-screw-heads/

 

[ChuckM]

Here's an easy 3D cheat sheet for current Blum hinges...this may help.

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I'm taking a cellphone shot of this chart. Last time when I had several kitchen and bathroom doors to adjust at a condo place, I had to rely on "trial and error," frustrating enough.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

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It is best to get a “Pozi” screw driver.  It will save the screw heads from damage.

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Shouldn't it be the other way round? My cabinet installer friend told me I could use my regular Phillips screwdriver on my Blum hinges with no worries.
https://bsfixings.uk/blog/the-difference-between-phillips-and-pozi-screw-heads/

Definitely not. Pozi-Driv screws are best driven with the correct driver (or a JIS, which almost no one has) Phillips is the worst choice....even for Phillips screws. They are literally intended to cam-out. It was a feature (at the time) not a bug, as it is now. This is exactly why drywall installers use them. With a correctly adjusted driver, they cam out (stop driving) at exactly the right depth. It does wear them out prematurely though, which is why the big box stores sell the driver tips in packs of 10.

As to the original adjustments. Someone has done you quite the dis-service. Those hinges are intended to have vertical adjustment via the slot in the mounting plate on the cabinet side. For whatever reason, they have driven a second screw into the same slot, blocking any movement. (I suspect the original were overdriven/stripped and the second reinforced it)
The other directions are controlled by the screws, on the arm that attaches to the door part.
The one closest to the front will pivot the door left to right. The one in the back moves the door in/out.

What I see in your pic is going to be a compromise, at best. The bottom of the wooden door needs to move to the left, to make the bottom parallel to the trim, but that will affect the gap to the metal door.
From this angle, that gap is already tapered, so it will get worse. At that point, adjustment will be needed there too.
With out seeing it with the doors removed, I would guess that the main boxes are not aligned properly, making all of this difficult.

 

[Packard]

I see that other 3rd party vendors on Amazon are not so greedy.  This set looks nice, especially for the fact that their bits are clearly marked (and orange tagged) as Pozi-drive bits.  About $15.00 for the set. 

Note: This is an image and not a link.

I was under the impression that Blum made the IKEA hinges for IKEA. I thought they would be essentially the same as the Blum offerings.

 

[ChuckM]

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It is best to get a “Pozi” screw driver.  It will save the screw heads from damage.

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Shouldn't it be the other way round? My cabinet installer friend told me I could use my regular Phillips screwdriver on my Blum hinges with no worries.
https://bsfixings.uk/blog/the-difference-between-phillips-and-pozi-screw-heads/

Definitely not. Pozi-Driv screws are best driven with the correct driver (or a JIS, which almost no one has) Phillips is the worst choice....even for Phillips screws. They are literally intended to cam-out. It was a feature (at the time) not a bug, as it is now. This is exactly why drywall installers use them. With a correctly adjusted driver, they cam out (stop driving) at exactly the right depth. It does wear them out prematurely though, which is why the big box stores sell the driver tips in packs of 10.

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I can understand that you would buy and use the right screwdriver for the screws in question if it's a constant job. No argument about the better driven point.

But I have never destroyed any pozi screws with a Phillips screwdriver, and I do those screw/door adjustments every time the condo tenancy changes. I don't own any pozi screwdrivers. With proper care as you would any screws, I trust my cabinet installer's money-saving or handy tip.

That said, do use a proper size Phillips screwdriver or bit.

 

[tjbnwi]

The rear screw is in/out, the front screw is left/right, up/down you need to loosen the plate mounting screws to adjust.

The screwdriver-I'd fire anyone who did not use the proper screwdriver.

Tom

 

[Packard]

In this video, they compare the Phillips head screw with the Pozi-drive screw.

Basically, the Phillips head screw is designed to have the bit driver cam out of the head before it manages to snap the head off of the screw.

The Pozi-drive screw is designed not to cam out at any cost. 

If you are using a Pozi-drive screw with a Pozi-drive bit it is essential that you have a torque adjustable driver (or drive the screws by hand) to avoid snapping the heads off of the screws.

I assume that Blum uses Pozi-drive screws so that any future adjustment of the hinges will not be thwarted by past damages to the screw heads.

This long-ish video (about 6 minutes) compares the two screw heads. 

I had never heard of “pozi-drive” until I started building cabinets.  And while you can blithely continue using Phillips head screw drivers for these screws, I am a firm believer in using the right tool for the job.  In this case that would require an investment of $8.00 to $20.00.

If you enlarge the image of the hinge (above, initial post) you will see the three hash marks that indicate it is a Pozi-drive screw.

 

[waho6o9]

"The one closest to the front will pivot the door left to right. The one in the back moves the door in/out."

Appreciate the clarification, thank you. 

 

[ChuckM]

Haha...lucky I'm my own boss, Tom.

And I'm not a cabinet installer, either.
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[tjbnwi]

Haha...lucky I'm my own boss, Tom.

And I'm not a cabinet installer, either.
  [tongue]

There's a reason I supply all of their tools.

Tom

 

[Cheese]

This is funny, some poor chap needing just 1 pozidriv bit...and I have so many extras, that I started to make awl points out of them.  [tongue]

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[Crazyraceguy]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] that is funny, but if you have to sacrifice one, PZ1 is it.....at least in NA. Those are pretty rare around here.

 

[morts10n]

The hinges pictured are not Blum hinges. The in/ out screw on a Blum hinge moves the hinge in the opposite direction as Salice brand and others.

 

[festal]

Sorry all for not replying earlier. Was running around all day.  I have the pozi drive screw driver. Just need to figure out how to fix these. These are Ferrari hinges it seems
Here is a closeup picture

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[tjbnwi]

Adjusting the first door will be trial and error. From the picture in the first post the top needs to move to the left slightly. Turn the screw closest to the door, note the direction you turned the screw, close the door see which way it moved. It may take a few attempts, once you figure out the first one the rest will be easy.

Tom

 

[bobtskutter]

From memory...
The screw on the left allows you to move the door in and out, but it's a manual adjustment.  Loosen the screw, move the door, tighten the screw.
The screw on the right allows you to move the door left and right (the actual adjustment I think you're trying to make).  Turn the screw clockwise to move the door to the left (which is actually moving the open door towards you in your photo).

Finally, the WHOLE hinge is attached to the mounting plate with BOTH screws and a pivot point in the middle - you can see it on the photo.  If there isn't enough adjustment on the right side screw you need to adjust the left side to shift the pivot point.

These hinges are a pain the butt!!!!!

You will probably find the hinge plate is held in with a screw into a plastic insert in the cabinet, and that insert has been damaged by over tightening the mounting screw.

Bob
(who now has a headache after trying to visualise all the adjustments)