Hinge adjustment question

[festal]

From memory...
The screw on the left allows you to move the door in and out, but it's a manual adjustment.  Loosen the screw, move the door, tighten the screw.
The screw on the right allows you to move the door left and right (the actual adjustment I think you're trying to make).  Turn the screw clockwise to move the door to the left (which is actually moving the open door towards you in your photo).

Finally, the WHOLE hinge is attached to the mounting plate with BOTH screws and a pivot point in the middle - you can see it on the photo.  If there isn't enough adjustment on the right side screw you need to adjust the left side to shift the pivot point.

These hinges are a pain the butt!!!!!

You will probably find the hinge plate is held in with a screw into a plastic insert in the cabinet, and that insert has been damaged by over tightening the mounting screw.

Bob
(who now has a headache after trying to visualise all the adjustments)

Thank you.  Ye judging from all the work that was done in this place and quality of it i wouldn't be surprised . 

 

[Packard]

I (I’m so embarrassed) never remember which screw does what.  I grab the screwdriver and turn it a half turn one way or the other to see what it does.

When I get to the right screw, I make the correction.

This is typically a once-and-done operation.  Though when I did an entire kitchen of new doors, I was pretty conversational on which screw did what.

For me, this is a touchy-feelie operation.  I am not embarrassed by not knowing which screw does what.  Though I am not fond of the elongated slot adjustability.  The turn-the-screw adjustability it much easier for me.

Addendum:  In my earlier post I wrote “I was under the impression that Blum made the IKEA hinges for IKEA. I thought they would be essentially the same as the Blum offerings.”

I went online and confirmed that Blum does supply the hinges to IKEA.  Which begs the question, “What are Ferrari hinges doing on IKEA cabinets?”

Further searching shows that Ferrari hinges are a favorite of Amazon and EBay vendors. If it comes to pass that the Festal wants to replace the hinges, I would suggest using IKEA or Blum hinges.  At least then, if you continue to have issues, you can eliminate the hinge as the source of those issues.

And, while you are at it, I would throw a level on your cabinets so you can get a measure of the quality of the installation.  The double screw in the elongated slot throws attention to that installation.

The cabinets do look nice.  So I would not be in a hurry to replace them.

 

[woodbutcherbower]

[member=74278]Packard[/member] Blum make around 20 different types of flush hinges, ranging from cheap to megabucks. The ones supplied to IKEA and most of the furniture stores are the cheapest possible version - maybe even a dedicated line of Chinese-sourced ones specific to IKEA. No vertical adjustment (other than goofing around loosening 4 screws) is always the dead giveaway. A recognisable brand name doesn't necessarily guarantee a top-line product.

 

[Packard]

[member=74278]Packard[/member] Blum make around 20 different types of flush hinges, ranging from cheap to megabucks. The ones supplied to IKEA and most of the furniture stores are the cheapest possible version - maybe even a dedicated line of Chinese-sourced ones specific to IKEA. No vertical adjustment (other than goofing around loosening 4 screws) is always the dead giveaway. A recognisable brand name doesn't necessarily guarantee a top-line product.

OK, I’ll buy that.  But how did the Ferrari hinges come into the picture for IKEA cabinets?

“Ferrari” calls to mind very expensive, though not necessarily reliable cars.  The images in my mind call up cars not hinges.

When I replace the cabinet doors in my kitchen, I not only changed the doors, but also changed the reveals.  The 1990s style of face frame had much larger reveals that is the modern style.

I don’t regret making the change, but a lot of arithmetic and a couple of doors had to be modified. 

The old Amerock hinges (self-close, not soft-close) used slots for the vertical adjustment.  I kept the old Amerock hinges “just-in-case-“ I need some cheap hinges.  I should really throw them away. They look well-made with nickel plating over castings. And they did last 35 years.  So I am loathe to call them junk.  I never hear anything about them however.

 

[festal]

[member=74278]Packard[/member] Blum make around 20 different types of flush hinges, ranging from cheap to megabucks. The ones supplied to IKEA and most of the furniture stores are the cheapest possible version - maybe even a dedicated line of Chinese-sourced ones specific to IKEA. No vertical adjustment (other than goofing around loosening 4 screws) is always the dead giveaway. A recognisable brand name doesn't necessarily guarantee a top-line product.

OK, I’ll buy that.  But how did the Ferrari hinges come into the picture for IKEA cabinets?

“Ferrari” calls to mind very expensive, though not necessarily reliable cars.  The images in my mind call up cars not hinges.

When I replace the cabinet doors in my kitchen, I not only changed the doors, but also changed the reveals.  The 1990s style of face frame had much larger reveals that is the modern style.

I don’t regret making the change, but a lot of arithmetic and a couple of doors had to be modified. 

The old Amerock hinges (self-close, not soft-close) used slots for the vertical adjustment.  I kept the old Amerock hinges “just-in-case-“ I need some cheap hinges.  I should really throw them away. They look well-made with nickel plating over castings. And they did last 35 years.  So I am loathe to call them junk.  I never hear anything about them however.

These cabinets were installed in 2014 by a flipper that couldn't flip   He tried to flip it every year after that, until we bought it right at the start of Covid (september 2020)  So they might have been supplied in 2014 by ikea or he found them on amazon alot cheaper then ikea was offering and got those.  lol

 

[Packard]

I guess, or he bought used cabinets at a salvage place.

In any case, they look nice and from what I read the IKEA cabinets are of good quality.

Once you get the doors adjusted, I suspect you will be happy with the kitchen.

 

[festal]

I guess, or he bought used cabinets at a salvage place.

In any case, they look nice and from what I read the IKEA cabinets are of good quality.

Once you get the doors adjusted, I suspect you will be happy with the kitchen.

Yep. We’ve been using it for 4 years. A bit small but we manage

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[morts10n]

Btw...a cabinet that is not installed plumb and level, or that is racked, makes proper adjustment even more difficult. Equal reveals becomes almost unattainable.

 

[festal]

I emailed Ferrari and they sent me full catalog.  Tried attaching it here but its too big.  In case anyone is interested PM me and i can email you the PDF file

 

[festal]

Not having much luck. I think it’s slightly better but still no where near. I spent about 30 minutes at it . Anyone in north Nj area want to make some money and do adjustments for me? [emoji3]
Here is where I am now. Seems that bottom left needs to come up somehow and I’m not sure how. And there is no factory default reset lol

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[luvmytoolz]

If I'm seeing the photos right the cupboard itself isn't square, so no amount of adjustment will give equal gaps all around?

You could swing the bottom out to the left a bit to align top and bottom, and then swing the bottom of the silver door to help close the vertical gap a bit, but the easiest option might be if the cupboard can't be squared, the other option is to trim the door to suit?

 

[festal]

If I'm seeing the photos right the cupboard itself isn't square, so no amount of adjustment will give equal gaps all around?

If the cupboard can't be squared, the only option is to trim the door to suit I would think?

That I’m not sure. But if I sort of closed the door it kind of aligns itself but when I open it door sort of droops . Let me try to do a video 

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[festal]

Let’s see if this helps

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[luvmytoolz]

Yeah it's dipping pretty bad, are the hinges themselves dropping because they have some play?

Have you got a square to check the corners of the cupboard against?

That's the first place I would start, confirm if the cupboard itself is out of square.

 

[festal]

Yeah it's dipping pretty bad, are the hinges themselves dropping because they have some play?

Have you got a square to check the corners of the cupboard against?

That's the first place I would start, confirm if the cupboard itself is out of square.

Really stupid question but whats a cupboard? lol  not sure why hinges have so much movement in them.  they seem to be locked in place.  unless they are not. hard to tell since i'm not used to working with kitchen cabinets

 

[luvmytoolz]

Sorry, in OZ we interchange cupboard/cabinet. I'd check to see all four corners of the top and bottom are square before doing anything else.

 

[festal]

Sorry, in OZ we interchange cupboard/cabinet. I'd check to see all four corners of the top and bottom are square before doing anything else.

ah so check inside corners of the cabinet carcass?

 

[luvmytoolz]

Sorry, in OZ we interchange cupboard/cabinet. I'd check to see all four corners of the top and bottom are square before doing anything else.

ah so check inside corners of the cabinet carcass?

Yes, the results will help determine what needs to be done. I would think it extremely unlikely, but it wouldn't hurt to also check that the corners of the door are square.

 

[festal]

Sorry, in OZ we interchange cupboard/cabinet. I'd check to see all four corners of the top and bottom are square before doing anything else.

ah so check inside corners of the cabinet carcass?

Yes, the results will help determine what needs to be done. I would think it extremely unlikely, but it wouldn't hurt to also check that the corners of the door are square.

Hm so putting a square on none of the 4 corners are square lol

Although I put a straight edge on the left sidewall and it has a outward bow in the middle which could be causing square not to be square

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[morts10n]

This picture points to an out of square/ plumb/ racked cabinet as I previously mentioned