history teaches, nobody learns

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in reading the debate with gino and festool/ez fit

i am reminded that history teaches and nobody learns

the british in afganistan in the 19th century had a problem

the russians had a problem in the late 19th century)

the russians had a problem late last century

the coilition have a probelm in afganistan late 20th / early 21st centurty

to this day there is a STILL a probem

EVEN pakistan have a problem with them

its SORT of like vietnam

when WILL we (westerners) learn that arming my enimies enemy isnt a good idea

they (and their supporters)

their new friends

will always turn on you
 
I think the day of thinking that the enemy of my enemy is my friend ended on 9/11... Well maybe at least for some?
 
understand it OR not woodenfish

many people in the "west"

feel much the same

your "american"  news may or may not have told you

BUT

capitals of europe have recieved the same wake up call

london and madrid are ONLY two examples
 
I don't know if Westerners of late have believed (naively) that the enemy of my enemy is my friend ----but have relied on "realpolitik" in foreign diplomacy ----- you do what you have to do at the time.  Flip a coin between Stalin and Hitler ---- O.K. , we'll deal with Hitler now and Stalin later ----- I don't think the allies ever really thought that Stalin was a friend. 

So, Tom, when will we learn?  I guess when the reality of warfare doesn't demand dealing with questionable individuals, or we don't fight wars at all -------- tell the devil to stock up on winter clothing.

Justin
 
jag

you are correct "real (royal) politic" (a mixture of spanish and french/english language)

never believed stalin was a friend but he fitted

one of the most dangerous politicians (dictators) on the planet at the time
 
DD,

You are looking at this the wrong way.

History teaches, but that is all we learn.

We are doomed to repeat it for the exact reason of, "That is what we know"

Individually, as a community and finally as a culture, we will do as we have always done.

Look at it this way. All of what we know is in the past. Right? Of course it is.

So when it come to group think, which is what culture is, the easiest most secure thing in the world

is do what one has always done.

Think I am full o crap? Maybe, but in a microcosm look at the routine of any day in your life

and tell me how much it changes one day to the next. See?

Patterns make us comfortable, you often hear the word stability in all kinds of relationships.

As Carpenters we have a advantage of changing employment options, but that still does not change the routine much.

It does not fully change the patterns of the way we think.

Because we derive our comfort from what we know, and all we know is history.

Per

 
Please fella's I'm a Cub's fan and all this talk about history is making me nervous.
                                                                                            Thanks
                                                                                              Dan
 
Per Swenson said:
You are looking at this the wrong way.

History teaches, but that is all we learn.

We are doomed to repeat it for the exact reason of, "That is what we know"

Because we derive our comfort from what we know, and all we know is history.

Per
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Per, What makes our history unique is that we are descendants of people who escaped controlling governments to a new world, became united to fight against oppression for liberty and freedom while making a strong self-attempt at government morality in a corrupt world. Repeating lessons learned in our history is not such a bad thing.
 
Wooden.

What I am discussing is as far removed from politics as you get get.

I am discussing how the human brain works.

Kay?

Per
 
History is one of the most important subjects we can teach our kids because it has a nasty habit of repeating itself.  Yet, most kids don't know when the war of 1812 was fought or who is buried in Grant's tomb, much less know who was Grant.  Hell, most kids today don't even know there was a Civil War here!  Unbelievable.  Anywho, here is a link on an e-book (it's a free download) written by a local car talk guy nee history buff and it provides insight to many of the reasons why things are the way they are.  Great read and worth the cost.  ;D Backside of American History
 
and what even fewer people know

is that the english had a civil war

because the king was crap

cromwell won and beheaded the king

but he was SO bad

we went straight back to a monarch a few years later
 
Per Swenson said:
.... look at the routine of any day in your life

and tell me how much it changes one day to the next. See?

Per
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As a grip:
5 wake
6 brekky
7 call
12 lunch
6 dinner
Wrap
shower
sleep

As a Chippy:
5 wake
6 brekky
7:30 start
12 lunch
4:30 wrap
5 dinner
6 shower
10 sleep

On the weekend:
8 wake
9:30 Karate (my son, not me, don't be silly)
1:00 massage
2-3 lunch
5 beer
10 bed

similar enough that somebody would know after two days where to sit with a rifle if they were trying to take me out. Booooring.
 
Don't give anybody ideas, Eli. With your biting wit....................

I forgot, you have half a world of ocean to discourage most of us and the Aussies are so laid back you just about can't insult 'em. Guess your safe.
 
It really is.  His show is available on the net at KLIF - Ed Wallace from 8:00am to 1:00pm CST Saturdays.  His BOAH segment is at 9:30.  Did you know that Patton ordered his troops to fire upon our own WWI vets during a march on Washington over benefits during the 20's or why the French Acadians moved to Louisiana or the Civil War was more about commerce than anything else?  It's all in there.  There is a second version as well.  I have to find the link for it.  Not mention he's a helluva car guy...
 
HowardH said:
It really is.  His show is available on the net at KLIF - Ed Wallace from 8:00am to 1:00pm CST Saturdays.  His BOAH segment is at 9:30.  Did you know that Patton ordered his troops to fire upon our own WWI vets during a march on Washington over benefits during the 20's or why the French Acadians moved to Louisiana or the Civil War was more about commerce than anything else?  It's all in there.  There is a second version as well.  I have to find the link for it.  Not mention he's a helluva car guy...
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EVERY war is more about commerce than anything else.
 
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