Hkc 55

[demographic]

I agree it has moved on a bit but it cannot change physics, also a 36V 3.3ah battery is about 25% more powerfull that an 18V 5.2 battery.
I would be interested is seeing the results of it cutting some C17 rated 45mm thick floor joist or some A rated Douglas Fir.

Not sure it will have any problems with that bit as I've recently been using another workmates 18 volt Makita circular saw to cut 145x45mm timber.  Absolutely no problems with it.

 

[ifit]

Call me Mister Optimistic but i think this saw will fall on its face. Any UK proffessional joiners out there will probably remember the Hilti WCS 70 36V saw with a thin teflon coated blade, absolute dissater, the blade would buckle on anything over 25mm thick and battery life was a joke so 18v seems to be a step backward in my opinion, as it is directd at roofing and flooring why does it need to have a 55mm cut, maybe a lighter 35mm cut is on the way to compete against the KSS 300, by far the best saw on the market in this category

The 36v hilti is a fantastic saw for 1st fix and roofing, never had a blade buckle yet in over 8 years of daily use, 1 battery usually lasts me all day

If festool made a 75mm 36v I would buy one

 

[ScotF]

Phil - it looks like in the video that this saw clips onto a standard guide rail - is that the case or was I not seeing that correctly? You had a standard guide rail positioned at an angle facing the camera and it looked like you slid the saw on and off the rail.

Thanks

Hey Scott
  The H.K.C will not clip on to the F.S guide rail. The video was done this way to show that it can fit as the pendulum cover will need to slide back as the saw is fitted.
  The second way is to set the saw to zero and use the lever to move the pendulum cover back - this is used when the plunge function is used.
rg
Phil

that makes sense - thanks for the reply. Do you have any video of it ripping? Also, can you show a picture of the bottom of the shoe?  Does it have the same guide rail adjustment that the TS 55 has?

 

[Brice Burrell]

[member=6605]ScotF[/member]  Check out the video I posted earlier in this tread.  The video shows the HKC on a regular guide rail ripping and shows it has the same guide rail adjustment gibs as the TS saws.

 

[Phil Beckley]

Phil - it looks like in the video that this saw clips onto a standard guide rail - is that the case or was I not seeing that correctly? You had a standard guide rail positioned at an angle facing the camera and it looked like you slid the saw on and off the rail.

Thanks

Hey Scott
  The H.K.C will not clip on to the F.S guide rail. The video was done this way to show that it can fit as the pendulum cover will need to slide back as the saw is fitted.
  The second way is to set the saw to zero and use the lever to move the pendulum cover back - this is used when the plunge function is used.
rg
Phil

that makes sense - thanks for the reply. Do you have any video of it ripping? Also, can you show a picture of the bottom of the shoe?  Does it have the same guide rail adjustment that the TS 55 has?

Hi
The HKC has the same adjustment to the rail as the T.S. will post some images on Monday.
No video of it ripping as we focus on the main application but i will sort some images when in the training room Monday.
rg
Phil
.....or see the other video for this.

 

[Brice Burrell]

One reason I decided to go with the corded Mafell version instead of the HKC was the rather weak looking rip capabilities that the "Mike's Tool Show" video seemed to demonstrate.  This type of saw allows for some real flexibility/versatility, and that is what sold me on the concept.  Making it cordless adds some advantages, and gives up some too. 

As I see it this type of saw in a corded version shares much of the same capabilities as a regular circular saw, track saw, miter saw, radial arm saw and table saw.  This gives it tremendous versatility across a pretty broad spectrum of different types of work.  As Phil already mentioned, the HKC is more crosscut focused.  My thoughts are the HKC, as is, loses some of the versatility being an 18v cordless system.  Reports seem to say the TSC55 can eat batteries, and it uses two.  What can the HKC do with one?   

I'm not sure I'd be ever be truly happy with the one 18v battery of the HKC.  I haven't used the tool so I'm certainly not seeking from experience.  We'll see pretty soon as these make their way to the hands of real world users.       

 

[aas]

A quick question for Phil, or anyone else who has actually used one... when the HKC is used on a normal FS track, does it work with the same spacing to the anti-splinter strip as the TS/TSC?.. i.e. can I use existing FS tracks, or should I have one dedicated to the HKC?
I've had one on order for what seems like forever!.. really can't wait to get my hands on this.

 

[Phil Beckley]

A quick question for Phil, or anyone else who has actually used one... when the HKC is used on a normal FS track, does it work with the same spacing to the anti-splinter strip as the TS/TSC?.. i.e. can I use existing FS tracks, or should I have one dedicated to the HKC?
I've had one on order for what seems like forever!.. really can't wait to get my hands on this.

Hi
The distance will be wider as the blade on the H.K.C is 1.8mm. The T.S is 2.2mm
Hope this helps
rg
Phil

 

[neeleman]

I'm not sure if I'm right.
But when the motor side of the blade on both saws is the same then there is no difference when using the saws on the same FS track .
The difference of the blade thickness (0.4 mm) is only at the right side and the splinter guard is not changed.

I expect that Festool has designed the HKC this way, otherwise you could not use it on the same FS track as the normal TS saw.

 

[aas]

Of course, I'm aware it is a thin kerf blade, hence my question.

I'm inclined to think like Neeleman on this... but Phil, if you are right, Festool have made a 'big' mistake here. It's not really rocket science to make sure they line up OK, i.e. track to motor side of blade.

I guess I'll have to wait and see... can't wait!

 

[Phil Beckley]

I'm not sure if I'm right.
But when the motor side of the blade on both saws is the same then there is no difference when using the saws on the same FS track .
The difference of the blade thickness (0.4 mm) is only at the right side and the splinter guard is not changed.

I expect that Festool has designed the HKC this way, otherwise you could not use it on the same FS track as the normal TS saw.

Good point!
rg
Phil

 

[neeleman]

The new HKC saw was first to be released today in Germany.
My favourite web-shop Gerschwitz emailed me that it has been delayed to the beginning of August.
And I assume it the same for the rest of Europe.

GRRRRRRRRRR, I'm not happy with that.

 

[aas]

Oh no I hope not!.. August is a long wait!

 

[Nippychippy]

I was told the same the end of July which is no use to me I was told a few of the bigger shops have it

 

[aas]

I see there are some shops that have it in stock (according to their site of course!) I might cancel and re-order if I don't have to wait a couple of months. FSK track will be here in a few days as I ordered from different places to make use of promo codes I had!.. no use to me on it's own!

 

[neeleman]

Please show me the shops that have the HKC on stock and can deliver them within a few days.
Because I doubt that.

Many web-shops confuse "On stock" with "Available" so that the customer will order.
If they really have the saw I have no problems ordering it from the UK or France.
I'm after a Basic version, so without the charger and batteries.

Strange thing is that the new FSK rails and bags are available in Europe yet?

 

[w802h]

Are the Mafell and Festool rails interchangeable?

 

[neeleman]

I don't think so.
Remember the first Domino DF 500 with pin style had to be changed because of interfering with a Mafell patent of the DD40 DuoDoweller. So Mafell will not allow the track to be copied.

And I think the Festool FSK version is better because the saw is pulled back automatically with a spring.

 

[aas]

Please show me the shops that have the HKC on stock and can deliver them within a few days.
Because I doubt that.

Many web-shops confuse "On stock" with "Available" so that the customer will order.
If they really have the saw I have no problems ordering it from the UK or France.
I'm after a Basic version, so without the charger and batteries.

Strange thing is that the new FSK rails and bags are available in Europe yet?

I'm waiting to hear back from my supplier to see when they expect delivery. Also, I have contacted the shop claiming delivery by the 12th, so in 3 days, to see if it is really in stock. If I get some good news I will let you know!

I also have gone for basic version, and ordered seperate 2,6Ah for my DWC18, so will use the 5,2Ah batts for the HKC.

 

[aas]

So no good news... mine will not be before 31st July according to Festool France.

All other suppliers are giving the same story.

Rhetorical question for Festool... did you not realise that if you release a product in June, that people might want to actually buy and receive the product in June? It has been several months we have been waiting for the 'release' date, I hope you weren't too surprised that the month of June came in the usual order before July and August this year!

(Note to self : go and buy a big bag of salt to take a pinch of from time to time when reading 'company' information!)