Hobby Guy Kapex Purchase

Valleywood

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I'm an advanced hobbyist who finally got to retire and work only in a shop.  For dust control purposes I have begun migration to Festool.  Now have the CT26 with snorkel and two sanders. 

For years I have used the 7" Hitachi sliding mitre saw and still consider it one of the most accurate pieces of equipment I have ever owned.  Dust control is nonexistent and I now need a tougher machine.  She Who Must be Obeyed has decided she wants her vegetable garden bed raised for a million and one reasons.  Pressure treated wood is unacceptable, so I had 2 x 6 white oak cut at our local saw mill.  There was simply no way that little saw could handle that project.    So . . . .

Called Bob Marino with a weird request, " Bob, I have to be out of town next week, so don't send me the Kapex yet.  Would you please charge my credit card now and delay shipping for three days?"  Seems Bob has heard goofy stuff like this before, so he said it would be fine.  The saw showed up this past Tuesday (two days ago) and I mounted it on the Makita "mobile" mitre saw stand.  It's "mobile"  if you're a Green Bay Packer lineman, otherwise No.  But it's perfect for my shop.  I can move it twenty feet to cut outside and then bring it back in.  It's a beast and a perfect match (with a few alterations) for my Kapex.  Just don't like the Festool stand for worksite transport.

Yesterday I loaded up many of those new newly rough-cut 2 x 6 boards and cut them to size on the Kapex.  That saw cut through that oak with hardly a moan.  And the thing is so quiet I remain stunned.  Nothing at all like the little Hitachi Howler.  Yesterday I cut-to-size  200 Bd Ft of that white oak.  Shoonta dunnit, but I was having so much fun!  I barely know how to make the thing work, but since every cut was a 90 well. . . . . .  Oh yeah.  Before I forget.  I have the saw connected to my Fein Turbo II.  It works great.  This way I can leave my CT26 where it belongs.

Let me cut to the Reader's Digest version.  I, like many others have waited, and waited,  and waited.  Big ticket and all, don'tchaknow.  What in the world was I thinking?  What a machine!  I now resent every moment I have put off this purchase.  So, if you're fence-sitting, stop it!  Pay the man your money and buy the saw.  I've tried it in the store, etc.  blah..blah..blah.  It is worlds better in your own shop.

Now the other part.  Bob Marino.  Execution to perfection and not a single ruffled feather.  Honest.  I recommend his operation.

I'm trying very very hard to come up with something negative,  or even sub-optimum about this entire experience.  Got nuthin.  How about this?  I'll buy a better blade for furniture work.  The one provided is dandy, especially for what I'm doing.  I'll buy a smoother cut this winter.  Is that statement critical enough to qualify as a "review"?

There are many tools I won't change over.  I love my DeWalt track saw and will not change to green.  I love my Makita impact drills.  No change coming there.  But the Kapex has no rival.  It's the bomb.  BTW, I'm a former finance guy, so it's  cap-exx.  Not like Superman, cape-ex.  And I don't care what they call it in Germany.  Do not confuse the issue with facts. 

Domino next.    :>)
 
One response.

Quit waiting on the Domino.

As much as you think the Kapex is a game changer, it pales in comparison to how the Domino revolutionizes joinery.

Just ask my dedicated mortise machine and tenoning jig.

They're sitting in the corner over there, watching how it's done.

;)
 
Valleywood said:
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Now the other part.  Bob Marino.  Execution to perfection and not a single ruffled feather.  Honest.   I recommend his operation.

I'm trying very very hard to come up with something negative,  or even sub-optimum about this entire experience.  Got nuthin.   How about this?  I'll buy a better blade for furniture work.  The one provided is dandy, especially for what I'm doing.   I'll buy a smoother cut this winter.  Is that statement critical enough to qualify as a "review"?

There are many tools I won't change over.  I love my DeWalt track saw and will not change to green.   I love my Makita impact drills.  No change coming there.  But the Kapex has no rival.  It's the bomb.   BTW, I'm a former finance guy, so it's  cap-exx.   Not like Superman, cape-ex.   And I don't care what they call it in Germany.  Do not confuse the issue with facts. 

Domino next.    :>)

Yes, the Kapex is a lovely saw and by far the best mitre saw that I have owned or used. You wanted some negative stuff for balance...

Bob Marino is on the wrong side of The Pond ! Even I have benefited from his attention to detail and unruffled approach to business - a great guy but I wish he was over here!

Genuine bit now...The Kapex is not very good at doing repeated trenching cuts. Initially I was very disappointed but I have worked around that and remind myself that in every other way the Kapex is the best saw on the market today.

You must get a Domino and a Rotex sander - try the RO 90 first then get the RO 150 and that will be all you need. I am surprised that you like the other track saw - get a TS when the heat is off.

Peter
 
LOL!  I'm a fence-sitter.  I've had no problem justifying green when there was no alternative (note, I didn't say equivalent) in my basement, but in this case, that is not the case.  This kapex is giving me fits.  It seems my strategy is to focus on extension wings.  Get the multiblades, fastcap, festool, DIY???  One would assume I've already made up my mind on the kapex (toolnut has one they are happy to send my way as soon as I give them a 16 digit number)...........
 
barnowl, I hear you.   I truly do.  First I must raise the beds.  Then I have to get power (stationary) to the shop.  Then I'll start building and make a domino decision.   Don't know which I'll get first,  but I'd like to join 1 1/2 "   tops which suggests the 700.   On the other hand, I might find that I like working in smaller dimensions so that suggests the 500.  Whatever the case however I'll never go to a job site.  Never.  I'm done going elsewhere.   Maybe both??  Somewhere on this board is an extensive debate on which is better for furniture.  One day I'll find it.  Sure would like to re-read the arguments.

Peter, if I ever go Rotex, I'll go RO 90.  Seems like a good fit.  That said, however I will resist Her Majesty if she wants something re-claimed.  I'm interested in tinkering.  No serious work if at all possible.  :>)  The TS though is a non-starter for me.  I love my DeWalt.  Perfect lines and polished cuts.  I DESPISE working on panel stock.  Hate it beyond reason.   Will do so only upon stern instructions from said queen.  For the money I'd rather have both Domino machines.

And she wouldn't have to know I have both now, would she?    [big grin]
 
Oh yeah,  Peter,  I almost forgot.  You are a wicked soul.  [mad]

As I recall you gave a review on the 1400.  I was happy with my new  (NEW!)  Bosch router.  Very happy.  Then I saw your 1400 video review.  Thank you very much.  You've wrecked everything.  I've decided that when I see your reviews I need to first hide and chain the credit card.

I hope you're pleased with yourself.  [unsure]

Dreadful man !      [smile]
 
Valleywood said:
barnowl, I hear you.   I truly do.  First I must raise the beds.  Then I have to get power (stationary) to the shop.  Then I'll start building and make a domino decision.   Don't know which I'll get first,  but I'd like to join 1 1/2 "   tops which suggests the 700.   On the other hand, I might find that I like working in smaller dimensions so that suggests the 500.  Whatever the case however I'll never go to a job site.  Never.  I'm done going elsewhere.   Maybe both??  Somewhere on this board is an extensive debate on which is better for furniture.  One day I'll find it.  Sure would like to re-read the arguments.

...

IMO, the 500 is the answer.

It will join 1-1/2" tops with the 10mm dominoes. And ideal for furniture building.

The 700 is for very large work, like 6 panel doors, where long dominoes are a plus.
 
Valleywood said:
Oh yeah,  Peter,  I almost forgot.   You are a wicked soul.   [mad]

As I recall you gave a review on the 1400.  I was happy with my new  (NEW!)  Bosch router.   Very happy.  Then I saw your 1400 video review.   Thank you very much.  You've wrecked everything.   I've decided that when I see your reviews I need to first hide and chain the credit card.

I hope you're pleased with yourself.   [unsure]

Dreadful man !      [smile]

If it helps - I do reviews of other makes of kit and, to save your wallet, some of it is NAINA !

But in reality, nobody needs me to persuade them that Festool make the best tools in the world - just try one and find out.

Thanks Valleywood

Peter
 
barnowl said:
Valleywood said:
barnowl, I hear you.   I truly do.  First I must raise the beds.  Then I have to get power (stationary) to the shop.  Then I'll start building and make a domino decision.   Don't know which I'll get first,  but I'd like to join 1 1/2 "   tops which suggests the 700.   On the other hand, I might find that I like working in smaller dimensions so that suggests the 500.  Whatever the case however I'll never go to a job site.  Never.  I'm done going elsewhere.   Maybe both??  Somewhere on this board is an extensive debate on which is better for furniture.  One day I'll find it.  Sure would like to re-read the arguments.

...

IMO, the 500 is the answer.

It will join 1-1/2" tops with the 10mm dominoes. And ideal for furniture building.

The 700 is for very large work, like 6 panel doors, where long dominoes are a plus.
I hope to purchase a Domino before the end of the year for chair and furniture building.  Wouldn't the Domino 700 be the way to go if you add the Seneca Domi-Shims and cutter adapter?  Doesn't it allow you to use most, if not all, of the 500 bits and dominos with the 700?

(I also created a new thread about this - New thread)

Seneca
 
These guys know what they're talking about.  For chairs, I recommend the Kapex, Domino 500, and the Rotex 90. These are the big three to own.  If you plan on making heavy pieces of furniture, then you'll want the Domino XL.  These are all GREAT tools!
 
@rljatl - in theory, yes.  But cradle an XL in your hands before you commit to it.  It's beastly.
 
RKA said:
@rljatl - in theory, yes.  But cradle an XL in your hands before you commit to it.  It's beastly.

Yo, that it is! It would make me miserable if I had to use the XL all day! I'm thinking that some kind of harness strap to take the weight off of the wrists would be helpful. The next time I use it...which is not in the near future, I'll see if I can rig something up. Ah, to be a young stud again and not even have this as an issue.
 
As others have said, I think the Domino is the "revolutionary" Festool.  It is the only one (to my knowledge) that does not have a direct competitor in the marketplace.  It is my favorite Festool and the one that will change your woodworking the most - especially as you get used to the tool, gain confidence, and understand all that it can accomplish.
 
Valley,

Its to late, your got the addiction. Once you drink fro te green kool aid its got you. Nothing you can do about it, Its hopeless.

So just give in, get the domino, TS 55 and MFT and get it out of your system while yer at it a nice CT to.

Your putting off the inevitable so give in and get them.

Oh  yea

[welcome]
 
I don't have the Kapex as I have a Dewalt 12" sliding compound saw. I would like to try one.  I will say that I went to a woodworking show in Philly years ago where I saw the Festool track saw. Thought it was nice yet never did anything about it. Last year I bought a CT 36 and TS 55 and fell in love with Festool. I now have several  (maybe more than several)  [big grin]  Festool items.  I too have a mortice & tenon machine and since I got my domino DF 500 I have been amazed just how easy it is to make prefect joints that are fast and very strong. I will get the Kapex at some point.

I've maxed out my tool allowance this year and this will have to wait.  I can do what I need for now with my compound miter saw yet there is no other tool I know of that can come close to doing what the Domino DF 500 can do.

John
 
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