Hose connector with suction control

[neeleman]

There are several other manufactures who have a hose connector with suction control.
Because I need one for my CTL-SYS who lacks suction control.
Please Festool you can also do that.
Or copy one of the models below (Fein & Bosch).

 

 

 

[tjbnwi]

The bent section for the Compact Cleaning set wand has a suction control gate. I don't know if you can purchase the part separately. I've also used the blast gate to control suction.

Tom

 

[neeleman]

Yes I know but I want one at the machine end of the hose.
The bend section is only for cleaning and the blast gates are only at the dust extractor side which I already use for separating 2 hoses.

 

[philphilop]

Why do you need suction control

 

[neeleman]

I need suction control for some reasons:
- with full suction sanders can be to aggressive and stick too much to the surface so that they cannot move smoothly
  especially with higher grids you don't need that much suction
- cleaning will be unable to do because light materials will be sucked upwards
- all other Festool dust extractors have suction control on the DE itself and that's for a reason.

Somebody on the Fog ([member=5277]Alex[/member]) already mentioned the lack of suction control on the CTL-SYS and he's right.
After a few weeks of using the CTL-SYS I have to admit it's a design fault!

 

[GarryMartin]

What about the Bypass Adapter? Not adjustable, but would it help you with the sanding issues?

https://www.festool.co.uk/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=496112&name=Hose-sleeves-AB-DTS-RTS400-ETS125-AS

 

[philphilop]

Surely you would have noticed it lacked your requirements when you tried it before buying one.

 

[neeleman]

Yes I noticed but for most tasks it still a good and small package DE.
It's only a small remark.
And hopefully Festool will learn from us as real users.
Having a hose connector with suction control is always a good thing because you don't have to reach to the floor were the DE stands, but then it's right at the working area and near the machine.

I also like to have a swivelling hose connector for machines like the OF 1010.
The position of the dustport is not always the right one and that troubles the movement of the router.

Please Festool you can do that, but you're not always listening to us!

 

[pingvinlakrits]

Surely you would have noticed it lacked your requirements when you tried it before buying one.

The problem is that the SYS Vac has no variable speed control. Yes, it is a problem when running many of the sanders, as Neeleman described it. I am in the same boat and I look forward to a simple solution - and if I can't find one I will have to convert a hose to fit that Bosch or Fein head.

I did not think it would be a problem myself - but the SYS Vac is so powerful it definitely needs suction control.  [eek]

 

[AlexThePalex]

This happens rarely for me, but when I first heard about the CTL-SYS I was very exited because I like the idea of a vac in a very small package.

I would have surely been one of the first to get the vac, but the fact that it lacks suction control made me think twice, and now I've decided to hold off for now. If I can't use the vac for certain tasks like sanding drywall and plaster, then it is of little use to me because I still have to bring one of the bigger vacs. I find it incomprehensible Festool decided not to include this very useful feature.

 

[philphilop]

Surely you would have noticed it lacked your requirements when you tried it before buying one.

The problem is that the SYS Vac has no variable speed control. Yes, it is a problem when running many of the sanders, as Neeleman described it. I am in the same boat and I look forward to a simple solution - and if I can't find one I will have to convert a hose to fit that Bosch or Fein head.

I did not think it would be a problem myself - but the SYS Vac is so powerful it definitely needs suction control.  [eek]

The problem is it does not do what you need it to do so why buy it, bit like buying a drill to sand wood, it does it but you would buy one to do it  you would buy something that does it, so in the case of the small vac you would buy a C17 surely.

 

[neeleman]

Philphilop, you're a bit to cynical.

Tools that can do it all don't exist. Most of them are meant for different kind of jobs.
That's why there are so many kind of drills, saws and also vacs.
The CTL SYS is a great piece of kit, but it cannot do it all.

And is the C17 a new drill maybe or you must mean the CT 17 vac?

 

[AlexThePalex]

Surely you would have noticed it lacked your requirements when you tried it before buying one.

The problem is it does not do what you need it to do so why buy it, bit like buying a drill to sand wood, it does it but you would buy one to do it  you would buy something that does it, so in the case of the small vac you would buy a C17 surely.

It's called feedback. Surely you're aware of it's function. You say what you like and what you don't like about something. Festool closely monitors this forum for exactly these kind of remarks because they're invaluable to them. No need to make the point you're trying to make here, I'm sure both members still see a use for the vac.

 

[philphilop]

Philphilop, you're a bit to cynical.

Tools that can do it all don't exist. Most of them are meant for different kind of jobs.
That's why there are so many kind of drills, saws and also vacs.
The CTL SYS is a great piece of kit, but it cannot do it all.

And is the C17 a new drill maybe or you must mean the CT 17 vac?
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Not cynical at all, if you read the my comment again you will see it says, so in the case of a small vac you would buy a CT17 surely, so yes i do mean the CT 17 vac not a drill.
So i say if you need a vac that is portable with variable suction then buy a CT 17, dont buy a sys vac and then complain it doesnt have variable suction, to me it is just moaning for the sake of moaning or you want someone to feel sorry for you because you bought the wrong vac, dont know which.

 

[philphilop]

Surely you would have noticed it lacked your requirements when you tried it before buying one.

The problem is it does not do what you need it to do so why buy it, bit like buying a drill to sand wood, it does it but you would buy one to do it  you would buy something that does it, so in the case of the small vac you would buy a C17 surely.

It's called feedback. Surely you're aware of it's function. You say what you like and what you don't like about something. Festool closely monitors this forum for exactly these kind of remarks because they're invaluable to them. No need to make the point you're trying to make here, I'm sure both members still see a use for the vac.

You really believe that Festool are monitoring your comments, a handful of festool owners who either love or hate their tools or are you just trying to make them feel more comfortable.
If festool are monitoring this site then why do the problems with their saws still exist and when was the last time they updated a tool to satisfy this group of a couple of hundred buyers, errr never

 

[AlexThePalex]

You really believe that Festool are monitoring your comments, a handful of festool owners who either love or hate their tools or are you just trying to make them feel more comfortable.
If festool are monitoring this site then why do the problems with their saws still exist and when was the last time they updated a tool to satisfy this group of a couple of hundred buyers, errr never

I agree with neeleman you are looking a bit too cynical at it. And your assumption is quite wrong, I might add.

Because in fact there are numerous examples where ideas and requests were made on this website which were later incorporated in a product. Everything is verifiable, this forum is one big archive if you're willing to dig.

This very CTL-SYS we're talking about is just one example. People have been requesting a systainer vac for years. Here is just one thread about it. It has come up in many, many other threads.

Maybe you should scroll a bit through the Festool Wish List section of the FOG, you'll find many other things that became a reality. Just a selection:

- CTL-SYS
- C18 cordless drill
- PSC420 cordless jigsaw
- TSC55 cordless circular plunge saw
- HKC55 cordless circular saw (a "normal" circular saw)
- Ti15 impact driver. Oh, people have been begging for this one a LONG time.
- Battery torch
- Quadrill corded drills
- Vecturo multitool
- Conturo edgebander
- pictures inside systainers lids to show their content placing
- updated latches for the systainers which would not break your fingers
- long-life bag for the CTL Mini/Midi

And considering a tool that had been updated because of the FOG, when the PS400 was released, it became very apparent things were wrong with it, and the FOG is full of threads about that jigsaw because the bad news broke very quickly here. It was not long until the PS400 was replaced with the PS420. You can bet the sh**storm it created here had something to do with it.

You clearly have little idea how closely Festool is involved in this forum. You can rest assured that somewhere, there's a very methodical german engineer watching, with a big checklist to note every pro and con mentioned here.

 

[philphilop]

You really believe that Festool are monitoring your comments, a handful of festool owners who either love or hate their tools or are you just trying to make them feel more comfortable.
If festool are monitoring this site then why do the problems with their saws still exist and when was the last time they updated a tool to satisfy this group of a couple of hundred buyers, errr never

I agree with neeleman you are looking a bit too cynical at it. And your assumption is quite wrong, I might add.

Because in fact there are numerous examples where ideas and requests were made on this website which were later incorporated in a product. Everything is verifiable, this forum is one big archive if you're willing to dig.

This very CTL-SYS we're talking about is just one example. People have been requesting a systainer vac for years. Here is just one thread about it. It has come up in many, many other threads.

Maybe you should scroll a bit through the Festool Wish List section of the FOG, you'll find many other things that became a reality. Just a selection:

- CTL-SYS
- C18 cordless drill
- PSC420 cordless jigsaw
- TSC55 cordless circular plunge saw
- HKC55 cordless circular saw (a "normal" circular saw)
- Ti15 impact driver. Oh, people have been begging for this one a LONG time.
- Battery torch
- Quadrill corded drills
- Vecturo multitool
- Conturo edgebander
- pictures inside systainers lids to show their content placing
- updated latches for the systainers which would not break your fingers
- long-life bag for the CTL Mini/Midi

And considering a tool that had been updated because of the FOG, when the PS400 was released, it became very apparent things were wrong with it, and the FOG is full of threads about that jigsaw because the bad news broke very quickly here. It was not long until the PS400 was replaced with the PS420. You can bet the sh**storm it created here had something to do with it.

You clearly have little idea how closely Festool is involved in this forum. You can rest assured that somewhere, there's a very methodical german engineer watching, with a big checklist to note every pro and con mentioned here.

If you believe your comments are studied by Festool engineers then that is your belief but rest assured that R&D is producing tools that will sell in their thousands and not to the dreams of a few enthusiastic users.

 

[peter halle]

Just a note - Festool employees in Germany do read this forum.

Peter

 

[AlexThePalex]

If you believe your comments are studied by Festool engineers then that is your belief but rest assured that R&D is producing tools that will sell in their thousands and not to the dreams of a few enthusiastic users.

Few? What makes you think this forum is a small operation? 100.000 pages views per day. 36.570 members, 16 new ones signing up every day. Companies pay good money to get this kind of marketing information, and Festool has it right here under their fingertips, you think they're going to ignore that?

I guess you didn't bother to go through the Festool Wish List section as I suggested. Like I said, everything is VERIFIABLE.

Of course they're not catering to our every whim. Where did I ever said I think that? They use us as an idea factory. Ideas and suggestions made on this site are taken under consideration, checked by engineers, marketing department, technical advisors and application specialists before even one stroke is set on paper. Then, from all ideas and feedback presented, maybe 1% is turned into a product after a long process of determining it's feasibility. But it does happen, the evidence is right here on the forum. It is definitely not "never" as you suggest.

 

[philphilop]

If you believe your comments are studied by Festool engineers then that is your belief but rest assured that R&D is producing tools that will sell in their thousands and not to the dreams of a few enthusiastic users.

Few? What makes you think this forum is a small operation? 100.000 pages views per day. 36.570 members, 16 new ones signing up every day. Companies pay good money to get this kind of marketing information, and Festool has it right here under their fingertips, you think they're going to ignore that?

I guess you didn't bother to go through the Festool Wish List section as I suggested. Like I said, everything is VERIFIABLE.

Of course they're not catering to our every whim. Where did I ever said I think that? They use us as an idea factory. Ideas and suggestions made on this site are taken under consideration, checked by engineers, marketing department, technical advisors and application specialists before even one stroke is set on paper. Then, from all ideas and feedback presented, maybe 1% is turned into a product after a long process of determining it's feasibility. But it does happen, the evidence is right here on the forum. It is definitely not "never" as you suggest.

Festool are a typical German company, niche market, unbreakable quality, sliding sales, to recover they go into the mass market and produce what every other manufacturer makes.
Mercedes Benz made cars for the niche market, Audi also, and to a different cliental VW, their sales started to dive on the 90's so went into mass market production. Today AMG and RS are their niche market and for festool it is their carpentry tools, not available in the UK or US because of their insistence of 110V, which are the AMG and RS of their tool infantry, tools you can only appreciate by using, their HK circular saw is unbelievably, their PL planers, incredible, their competition Mafell don't even come a close 2nd.
Yes I have read your list and can assure you that the drill and jigsaw was evolution not intervention by you, the Vecturo and HKC quad drill and impact driver just copies of other manufactures in the mass market which they need to be part of to survive.
I can say with confidence that not one single part of the development of the  Conturo was to do with anything said on this blog, it is a tool for their niche market and from what I have seen and felt at their demo a very very good tool at that.

Finally on your statistics, there are only a few hundred active users as I said before not the 36000 you claim, just sit and read same people every day same questions and occasionally the odd new user who ask 1 question and disappear into the ether.

You are a blinded by what you see and read to the point where you believe everything you read, did you know that since you joined you have spent 1500 hours of you life logged on to the FOG and I would assume based on statistics 6000 hours reading whilst not logged on