Hose connector with suction control

[SittingElf]

First, if you go to the HOME page of the forum and look at the bottom of the page, you will see what members are currently online, and how many VISITORS are online.  The number of vistitors almost ALWAYS well exceeds the number of registered users online.

That says that there are thousands of people who view these forums for information without actually registering. I agree with Alex....this forum does indeed serve a need not only for owners, but also as feedback for Festool.

Now, as to the original post....I believe there are blast gates available from Festool.... Primarily on their "Y" connectors. Simply attach one to your CT, close one side, and adjust the slide in the other one to reduce the suction. It's what we do with blast gates on 4" and 5" Dust collection ports for the big machines when we need to adjust suction..

Cheers,
Frank

 

[AlexThePalex]

Wow, you totally follow your own line of thinking without bothering to check one single thing, do you? Listen dude, you can't be informed if you don't bother to make yourself informed.

Yes I have read your list and can assure you that the drill and jigsaw was evolution not intervention by you, the Vecturo and HKC quad drill and impact driver just copies of other manufactures in the mass market which they need to be part of to survive.

Intervention? Can we get back please to where this started, the simple fact that I pointed out to you about feedback? Feedback is giving your opinion about stuff, it does not mean you're being part of the development process.

All those tools mentioned above were requested by people on this website, and Festool listened because they put them in their line-up. It's as simple as that. Festool took people's opinions and did something with it.

I can say with confidence that not one single part of the development of the  Conturo was to do with anything said on this blog, it is a tool for their niche market and from what I have seen and felt at their demo a very very good tool at that.

Well, bye bye confidence then, because that tool was also requested here in 2012. Here is the link.

I've been doing a lot of on site repairs and modifications using iron on edge banding.  My buddy and I were joking that festool needs to come up with one that would fit in a sys 5.

So get to it.

Jon

Finally on your statistics, there are only a few hundred active users as I said before not the 36000 you claim, just sit and read same people every day same questions and occasionally the odd new user who ask 1 question and disappear into the ether.

Of course not everybody is active. Yet stil 16 people a day sign up. and 100.000 page views is not a figure I just pulled out of my nose. 100.000 page views means a huge amount of daily traffic. http://festoolownersgroup.com/stats/

You are a blinded by what you see and read to the point where you believe everything you read, did you know that since you joined you have spent 1500 hours of you life logged on to the FOG and I would assume based on statistics 6000 hours reading whilst not logged on

Yes, I know I spent that time here, 60 days and 2 hours = 1442 hours exactly. Not the 6000 extra you "statistically" make up though. Why would I also be on this site without being logged in? Makes no sense. Now, considering I'm a member here for 6,5 years = 2372 days, those 60 days I was on this site amounts to the grand total of 2,5% of my time. Or 35 minutes per day. OH MY GOD!!! What a HUGE amount.  [tongue]

By the way, those 35 minutes per day is not the time I had eyes on this forum, it's the time a page was open in my browser. Often pages are open for hours while I'm not even at my computer.

Can you please explain to me why it is even necessary to point this out to me? Does this have ANYTHING to do with the subject at hand?

And also by another way, saying "You are a blinded by what you see and read to the point where you believe everything you read" is not a nice thing to say, can we please keep concentrating on facts instead of personal attacks? You have no idea what I read and what I believe. Simply not agreeing with you does not automatically mean I'm blinded. And instead of simply resorting to conjecture, I can point to links on this website as proof. Like a did now for a couple of times already. But not that you care apparently.

Let me remind you once again, we were not talking about this forum being part of the development process, but simply about giving feedback and Festool occasionally actually listening to the feedback.

 

[philphilop]

Wow, you totally follow your own line of thinking without bothering to check one single thing, do you? Listen dude, you can't be informed if you don't bother to make yourself informed.

Yes I have read your list and can assure you that the drill and jigsaw was evolution not intervention by you, the Vecturo and HKC quad drill and impact driver just copies of other manufactures in the mass market which they need to be part of to survive.

Intervention? Can we get back please to where this started, the simple fact that I pointed out to you about feedback? Feedback is giving your opinion about stuff, it does not mean you're being part of the development process.

All those tools mentioned above were requested by people on this website, and Festool listened because they put them in their line-up. It's as simple as that. Festool took people's opinions and did something with it.

I can say with confidence that not one single part of the development of the  Conturo was to do with anything said on this blog, it is a tool for their niche market and from what I have seen and felt at their demo a very very good tool at that.

Well, bye bye confidence then, because that tool was also requested here in 2012. Here is the link.

I've been doing a lot of on site repairs and modifications using iron on edge banding.  My buddy and I were joking that festool needs to come up with one that would fit in a sys 5.

So get to it.

Jon

Finally on your statistics, there are only a few hundred active users as I said before not the 36000 you claim, just sit and read same people every day same questions and occasionally the odd new user who ask 1 question and disappear into the ether.

Of course not everybody is active. Yet stil 16 people a day sign up. and 100.000 page views is not a figure I just pulled out of my nose. 100.000 page views means a huge amount of daily traffic. http://festoolownersgroup.com/stats/

You are a blinded by what you see and read to the point where you believe everything you read, did you know that since you joined you have spent 1500 hours of you life logged on to the FOG and I would assume based on statistics 6000 hours reading whilst not logged on

Yes, I know I spent that time here, 60 days and 2 hours = 1442 hours exactly. Not the 6000 extra you "statistically" make up though. Why would I also be on this site without being logged in? Makes no sense. Now, considering I'm a member here for 6,5 years = 2372 days, those 60 days I was on this site amounts to the grand total of 2,5% of my time. Or 35 minutes per day. OH MY GOD!!! What a HUGE amount.  [tongue]

By the way, those 35 minutes per day is not the time I had eyes on this forum, it's the time a page was open in my browser. Often pages are open for hours while I'm not even at my computer.

Can you please explain to me why it is even necessary to point this out to me? Does this have ANYTHING to do with the subject at hand?

And also by another way, saying "You are a blinded by what you see and read to the point where you believe everything you read" is not a nice thing to say, can we please keep concentrating on facts instead of personal attacks? You have no idea what I read and what I believe. Simply not agreeing with you does not automatically mean I'm blinded. And instead of simply resorting to conjecture, I can point to links on this website as proof. Like a did now for a couple of times already. But not that you care apparently.

Let me remind you once again, we were not talking about this forum being part of the development process, but simply about giving feedback and Festool occasionally actually listening to the feedback.

All joking aside you honestly believe that when someone said in a post that maybe festool should make something an put it in a sys 5 that festool set about making the  Conturo.
Statistically people only admit to 20percent of the time spent on blogs, Facebook etc so by you admitting to 1500 hours by signing in means you are a "guest" for another 6000 hours, 20 percent of a total of 7500 is 1500.

 

[Brice Burrell]

This happens rarely for me, but when I first heard about the CTL-SYS I was very exited because I like the idea of a vac in a very small package.

I would have surely been one of the first to get the vac, but the fact that it lacks suction control made me think twice, and now I've decided to hold off for now. If I can't use the vac for certain tasks like sanding drywall and plaster, then it is of little use to me because I still have to bring one of the bigger vacs. I find it incomprehensible Festool decided not to include this very useful feature.

As I understand it the electronic module of the variable suction is fairly expensive.  I wonder if forgoing this feature is a cost cutting measure?

 

[AlexThePalex]

All joking aside you honestly believe that when someone said in a post that maybe festool should make something an put it in a sys 5 that festool set about making the  Conturo.

It is about presenting them with an idea. Yes, how incredible it may seem, an idea can come from a single person. Of course they would need a lot of confirmation from other sources before it became a product. Lots and lots of marketing research to determine the feasibility of the considerable investment to develop this product.

Statistically people only admit to 20percent of the time spent on blogs, Facebook etc so by you admitting to 1500 hours by signing in means you are a "guest" for another 6000 hours, 20 percent of a total of 7500 is 1500.

I will believe you if you point me to a credible source for that information.

That still does not mean I am part of that statistic. In fact, I'll admit to spending a lot more time online than just this forum, there are quite a few other sources of interest to me. I am really not bothered by that in any way.

Can you please explain to me why it is important to zoom in on my personal internet use? Or is this the "get a life" approach?

Can you also please explain why a company like Festool would totally NOT listen to its user base as you suggest?

 

[SittingElf]

....though I'm sure that Alex has made the suggestion that Festool change their colors from green to ORANGE!! [big grin]

Heh heh....

Frank

 

[AlexThePalex]

As I understand it the electronic module of the variable suction is fairly expensive.  I wonder if forgoing this feature is a cost cutting measure?

If I buy a cheap €30 vac here in the store is has variable suction. I'm sure Festool will find a way to make that same circuit a lot more expensive. Perhaps you're right about cost cutting. Not sure I agree with that sort of cost cutting, but I'm no marketing buff.

 

[sae]

First, if you go to the HOME page of the forum and look at the bottom of the page, you will see what members are currently online, and how many VISITORS are online.  The number of vistitors almost ALWAYS well exceeds the number of registered users online.

That says that there are thousands of people who view these forums for information without actually registering. I agree with Alex....this forum does indeed serve a need not only for owners, but also as feedback for Festool.

That's a poor metric. Most of that you'll find out is search engines crawling and indexing your site.

 

[SittingElf]

First, if you go to the HOME page of the forum and look at the bottom of the page, you will see what members are currently online, and how many VISITORS are online.  The number of vistitors almost ALWAYS well exceeds the number of registered users online.

That says that there are thousands of people who view these forums for information without actually registering. I agree with Alex....this forum does indeed serve a need not only for owners, but also as feedback for Festool.

That's a poor metric. Most of that you'll find out is search engines crawling and indexing your site.

Yes, SOME of them are crawlers, but as I write this, there are 50 members on the forum and 164 guests. That is far and above the number of crawlers that would be on the site at the same time. (The most number I've seen on MY forum at any given time is 6, which are logged for later review).

Frank

 

[Rip Van Winkle]

This happens rarely for me, but when I first heard about the CTL-SYS I was very exited because I like the idea of a vac in a very small package.

I would have surely been one of the first to get the vac, but the fact that it lacks suction control made me think twice, and now I've decided to hold off for now. If I can't use the vac for certain tasks like sanding drywall and plaster, then it is of little use to me because I still have to bring one of the bigger vacs. I find it incomprehensible Festool decided not to include this very useful feature.

As I understand it the electronic module of the variable suction is fairly expensive.  I wonder if forgoing this feature is a cost cutting measure?

I don't know whether the variable speed module is expensive, but electric modules seem to be one of the more common failure points in electrical power tools.

 

[semenza]

Please kill the bickering.

Thanks,

    Seth

 

[neeleman]

Finally somebody with sensible words.

Please let's go back to the topic.

 

[Mort]

Thanks for pointing out that I can get variable suction on a vac without spending 1/2 a weeks pay on a CT. I can't find variable suction on anything reasonably priced, but maybe I haven't looked hard enough.

 

[AlexThePalex]

Thanks for pointing out that I can get variable suction on a vac without spending 1/2 a weeks pay on a CT. I can't find variable suction on anything reasonably priced, but maybe I haven't looked hard enough.

There seems to be a difference between the USA and Europe when it comes to variable suction. Here it is on everything, in America it is less common.

 

[Greg M]

Now that the thread is back on topic I'll comment on the sys-vac.

I'll never buy one without variable suction control.  I can't think of any reason that it's not on there.  Electronics are cheaper over time.  Festool has had this in their CT's for how long?  The parts are cheap enough that it would not increase the cost of the vac at all.  Festool would make up the few dollars in costs through their expensive accessories that we'd buy for the sys-vac.  Saving those few dollars is going to cost Festool money.  I'd have bought a sys-vac as soon as it was available and I'd have probably bought a few things to go with it.

As for a workaround for Festool's major flaw I won't bite.  First Festool owes it to their customers to produce the best product they can or don't even bother with it.  We pay a significant premium for Festool products and expect them to be the best designed, best built, and have the best service available.  Festool delivers that on almost everything that has their name on it.  Not having variable control on the sys-vac is a major flaw.  What is the vac most likely to be used for?  Sanding!  Using some other form of suction control to compensate for Festool's error doesn't cut it.  The builtin control on their CT's is a much better solution.  It's also a quieter solution.  It's a Festool solution!

I'm really disappointed in the sys-vac.  I would have really loved to purchase one.  It would be the perfect vac to have on my van for those little jobs.

 

[Mr Jones]

Seems the CT Vac is not one of those must have tools. I'm into mine for the small jobs, running up and down stairs in victorian houses where I'm doing small sanding, drilling and cutting jobs. None of that needs variable suction. If the sanding job is big enough that it needs variable suction, it's big enough to make it worth getting the mini out. That's the way I'm looking at it. I'm guessing they left it off the CTL sys because they insist on fitting big dustproof dials and couldn't find the space for one.

All the same, if they do come up with a suction adaptor I'll buy one.

 

[CrazyLarry]

Giving FT the benefit of the doubt it is a first iteration, the more constructive feedback there is the more likely evolution will occur.

As I've said before for me a battery operation mode would be a higher priority before variable suction. As the last bit of kit to take back to the van not having to even be plugged in would be a plus. I also agree with MrJones for clean ups and *very* small jobs it doesn't really need variable for anything that really needs variable it's worth getting a midi or CT out. You can't really expect all machines to do all jobs.

 

[Holmz]

There are several other manufactures who have a hose connector with suction control.
Because I need one for my CTL-SYS who lacks suction control.
Please Festool you can also do that.
Or copy one of the models below (Fein & Bosch).

 

 

Do they fit on a FT hose?

 

[AlexThePalex]

If the sanding job is big enough that it needs variable suction, it's big enough to make it worth getting the mini out.

and *very* small jobs it doesn't really need variable for anything that really needs variable it's worth getting a midi or CT out.

I really do not understand how the size of the job has any influence on needing variable suction or not. Whether you need variable suction or not is determined by the surface and the sander you use.

You can't really expect all machines to do all jobs.

Variable suction is such a basic feature that you can actually expect that from a vac. And I agree with everything Greg M said above.

 

[Kev]

Now that the thread is back on topic I'll comment on the sys-vac.

I'll never buy one without variable suction control.  I can't think of any reason that it's not on there.  Electronics are cheaper over time.  Festool has had this in their CT's for how long?  The parts are cheap enough that it would not increase the cost of the vac at all.  Festool would make up the few dollars in costs through their expensive accessories that we'd buy for the sys-vac.  Saving those few dollars is going to cost Festool money.  I'd have bought a sys-vac as soon as it was available and I'd have probably bought a few things to go with it.

As for a workaround for Festool's major flaw I won't bite.  First Festool owes it to their customers to produce the best product they can or don't even bother with it.  We pay a significant premium for Festool products and expect them to be the best designed, best built, and have the best service available.  Festool delivers that on almost everything that has their name on it.  Not having variable control on the sys-vac is a major flaw.  What is the vac most likely to be used for?  Sanding!  Using some other form of suction control to compensate for Festool's error doesn't cut it.  The builtin control on their CT's is a much better solution.  It's also a quieter solution.  It's a Festool solution!

I'm really disappointed in the sys-vac.  I would have really loved to purchase one.  It would be the perfect vac to have on my van for those little jobs.

[eek]

I can't believe the SYS-VAC doesn't have variable suction. Did they outsource this project to Stupid Incorporated?

Being a Festool vac I wouldn't have even thought to ask .. I was planning to buy this as soon as it was made available here in Oz.

Thanks for the save guys.