Hose connector with suction control

[CrazyLarry]

If the sanding job is big enough that it needs variable suction, it's big enough to make it worth getting the mini out.

and *very* small jobs it doesn't really need variable for anything that really needs variable it's worth getting a midi or CT out.

I really do not understand how the size of the job has any influence on needing variable suction or not. Whether you need variable suction or not is determined by the surface and the sander you use.

That's because you assume every job involves a sander, I don't really see any job the ctl-sys is appropriate for involving a sander.
To me it's just a tidy up machine. Maybe that perception is wrong?

You can't really expect all machines to do all jobs.

Variable suction is such a basic feature that you can actually expect that from a vac. And I agree with everything Greg M said above.

Again only because you see it as a sanding vac!, in other small job roles or tidying up it's of less significance if any.

 

[AlexThePalex]

That's because you assume every job involves a sander,
....
Again only because you see it as a sanding vac!,

Please, do not put words in my mouth telling me what I think and assume.

There are very few tools where variable suction is actually needed. But sanders really need them for some jobs, or they become just an expensive vacuum suction cup. Maybe read back to the first comment I quoted from Mr Jones, it specifically mentioned sanders.

I don't really see any job the ctl-sys is appropriate for involving a sander.

Honestly? A sander and a vac like the CTL-SYS do not fit together in your opinion?

To me it's just a tidy up machine. Maybe that perception is wrong?

The CTL-SYS comes with a power socket and a tool activated function. If you yourself want to use it for cleaning only, that's perfectly fine. You don't need variable suction there. You don't even need an expensive Festool vac there, any £100 home vac will do. But that electronic circuit and power socket are meant for something, and if I'm not mistaken it is to hook up a power tool of some sort. Am I right?

in other small job roles or tidying up it's of less significance if any.

Again, what does the SIZE of the job have to do with having variable suction or not? That was my original question. You start talking about TYPE of job instead.

 

[CrazyLarry]

That's because you assume every job involves a sander,
....
Again only because you see it as a sanding vac!,

Please, do not put words in my mouth telling me what I think and assume.

There are very few tools where variable suction is actually needed. But sanders really need them for some jobs, or they become just an expensive vacuum suction cup. Maybe read back to the first comment I quoted from Mr Jones, it specifically mentioned sanders.

Words in your mouth?

You keep returning to sanding, your topic, your words.

I don't really see any job the ctl-sys is appropriate for involving a sander.

Honestly? A sander and a vac like the CTL-SYS do not fit together in your opinion?

No not without variable suction!

To me it's just a tidy up machine. Maybe that perception is wrong?

The CTL-SYS comes with a power socket and a tool activated function. If you yourself want to use it for cleaning only, that's perfectly fine. You don't need variable suction there. You don't even need an expensive Festool vac there, any £100 home vac will do. But that electronic circuit and power socket are meant for something, and if I'm not mistaken it is to hook up a power tool of some sort. Am I right?

Yes a good point, and I'd never see myself using those firstly they are 230v and secondly no variable suction and thirdly lack of capacity for all but the smallest jobs. It's a unit that is overspec for what it can do and under spec for what it could do.

in other small job roles or tidying up it's of less significance if any.

Again, what does the SIZE of the job have to do with having variable suction or not? That was my original question. You start talking about TYPE of job instead.

Yes because size of the machine and features it has determine what it can be used for.
This as it is, works for drilling a few holes dust free with an attachment, or using the vacuum support gizmo perhaps, or a final clean up but that's about it.

I don't own one and I'm not likely to as for all the above reasons I don't think it is either simple enough / cheap enough as a final cleanup machine OR has the features needed for bigger jobs. On the cleanup front makita have for years had battery operated machines the latest of which uses a cyclone and no bag. It's a bit small and horribly plastic but for that one role probably going in the right direction.

I like the CTL-SYS concept but I think there is space for 2 models at two price points: a cutdown 18V model no variable no take off and a full version which can work as a charging station or off the mains comes in 240 and 110 with variable suction.

 

[neeleman]

This is becoming a very long discussion.
Mainly with people who don't own a CTL-SYS vacuum.
I've used it since half a year and I still like it due to it's compact design and compatibility with other systainers.

Of course it lacks the suction control, but that's normally not such a great problem at all.
Due to the small dust bag it's mainly aimed at cleaning or light sanding/sawing.
I do light sanding mainly with the RST/DTS/ETS sanders and therefore I use the Adapter Bypass (496112) from Festool.
This was originally an idea from [member=11629]GarryMartin[/member]. And that works very good, it's not adjustable but it reduces the suction enough to do sanding without sticking to the surface to much. You can even drill out the holes bigger if you want less suction.

 

[Kev]

[member=9122]CrazyLarry[/member]

I honestly think that Festool have created and are trying to sell a tool here that is completely inconsistent with their principles.

For quick clean up I have a cordless Dyson that I keep in a Systainer and it excels as the quick clean up - better than anything else on the market.

Festool's mantra has three words in it, "better" is one of them. If an attempt at a new tool isn't better - keep working on it, don't give us an over priced and inferior product!!!

 

[AlexThePalex]

Mainly with people who don't own a CTL-SYS vacuum.

Sorry for that neel, disgruntled non-owner here. I was really looking forward to this one, but when I found out it had no suction control, all my hopes and dreams were scattered.  [tongue]

I very rarely look forward to a new tool, I am generally happy to adopt new technology about 7 years later than the rest.

But this CTL-SYS would have really solved a problem for me that now keeps existing because of one stupid little oversight from Festool while we expect them to be the best and the smartest.

 

[Kev]

Mainly with people who don't own a CTL-SYS vacuum.

Sorry for that neel, disgruntled non-owner here. I was really looking forward to this one, but when I found out it had no suction control, all my hopes and dreams were scattered.  [tongue]

I very rarely look forward to a new tool, I am generally happy to adopt new technology about 7 years later than the rest.

But this CTL-SYS would have really solved a problem for me that now keeps existing because of one stupid little oversight from Festool while we expect them to be the best and the smartest.

Like +

Where's the like button [embarassed]

 

[CrazyLarry]

Mainly with people who don't own a CTL-SYS vacuum.

Sorry for that neel, disgruntled non-owner here. I was really looking forward to this one, but when I found out it had no suction control, all my hopes and dreams were scattered.  [tongue]

I very rarely look forward to a new tool, I am generally happy to adopt new technology about 7 years later than the rest.

But this CTL-SYS would have really solved a problem for me that now keeps existing because of one stupid little oversight from Festool while we expect them to be the best and the smartest.

Totally agree ... for once!

 

[aas]

+1

 

[neeleman]

No problem Alex.

Of course there are flaws about the CTL-SYS but I can name flaws to all other Festool machines.
You have to work with them to know how to use them. And then you discover the flaws. And I use a few of them.
And more important: it doesn't matter which machine you use if you don't know how to use them properly.

Maybe other small portable vacs are something for you. But I hardly have to name them.
You're probably already aware of them.
The Rupes is a highly regarded brand for sanding and the most interesting. At least it has suction control.
The last one is mainly for cleaning because the hose is to short.
- Rupes SV10E
- Scheppach HA 200S
- DeWalt DCV582

 

[CrazyLarry]

The Rupes has variable suction as well as power take off, just not quite a systainer.

It is interesting how those 3 + the Makita DCL500Z cover all the possibilities but no one of them ticks all boxes yet.

 

[aas]

There's a new 36v/110v Makita that has been released in Japan - VC860DZ. Again, it doesn't tick all the boxes, but I think the speed that new things are coming to the market, it won't be long before there is something for everyone!

Re: Scheppach - what happened to them?.. I had a Scheppach lathe with copying attachment back in the '90s - serious quality, seriously expensive too... and then I saw recently they do a track saw - looked terribly cheap!

 

[RENO]

This is becoming a very long discussion..........
Of course it lacks the suction control,....You can even drill out the holes bigger if you want less suction.

good idea!
tip: If you drill-out bigger holes, you can regulate flow by adding small part of a bike-innertube over the holes Its cheap and easy
Going from there, if you drill holes on the original Festool hose, you can do the same, no need for extra Festool part [big grin]