How big is the Kapex?

[Ray Newman]

"I'd love to see one (and I will in about 2 weeks)."

--Ron Pegram

Some people have all the luck....

 

[Eli]

There's no way the packaging is that heavy. They didn't give you the right number I think. It's not in a crate or anything, it's a cardboard box with inserts, like a surround sound system is packaged. Just bigger. But not necessarily louder.

 

[Ron Pegram]

There's no way the packaging is that heavy. They didn't give you the right number I think. It's not in a crate or anything, it's a cardboard box with inserts, like a surround sound system is packaged. Just bigger. But not necessarily louder.

Not trying to be argumentative Eli but have you actually seen it? I'm not being facetious either because I'm not sure where you're located or whether you've seen an advance model. I only ask because I've been surprised at some of the packaging they've done. It wouldn't surprise me if this has more reinforcement than the standard Festool package due to the fact that it's not shipping in a systainer. I also ask because I haven't seen mine yet although that's about to change.

I'm going to ask Alexander this question again but I'd be shocked if they're putting the Kapex in a box without a systainer (which is the case) and without anything other than inserts. There's almost no amount of dunnage that would make me feel comfortable shipping a $1300-$1500 miter saw in a cardboard box unless it had some type of structural reinforcement. We used inserts in VA but that worked because the systainer itself provides a lot of the resistance to damage and, even with that, I heard from customers who said that their systainers were scratched and marred from time to time.

You could be right, Eli but if you are, I dread the notion of what UPS might do to some of these. What would stop it from going on their high-speed conveyors and with that much surface area and without reinforcement, I'm afraid KAPOW would be the most often-seen result.

Tell you guys what - I'm going to pose this question again. Let's see what Alexander Lerner says in response to this thread. And, again, I'm not picking on you Eli because you could certainly be right. It's worth knowing ahead of time.

I'll let you guys know what I find out. Thanks for pushing the issue, Eli. Let's see what they say.

Here's the email I just sent to Alexander:

Hey Alex,

A few months ago, you told me in an email that the shipping weight of the Kapex in its box was approximately 77 lbs. At the time, I didn't question it but I'm making plans for my customers and my warehouse and I'm curious because the Kapex's weight is only 44 lbs or so. Is there really that much reinforcement in the box or was that a typo?

 

[Brice Burrell]

Ron, Eli is a yank down under, he has a Kapex, (and doesn't mind telling ever chance he gets  ) so he would know.

 

[Ron Pegram]

Interesting.

So now I can't help but wonder how UPS will treat this bad boy. Of course, it's possible that it will be packaged differently in North America but that's hard to believe.

Eli, did you buy yours from a retailer in an actual store or was it shipped to you from a catalog or online merchant?

 

[Bob Marino]

There's no way the packaging is that heavy. They didn't give you the right number I think. It's not in a crate or anything, it's a cardboard box with inserts, like a surround sound system is packaged. Just bigger. But not necessarily louder.

Not trying to be argumentative Eli but have you actually seen it? I'm not being facetious either because I'm not sure where you're located or whether you've seen an advance model. I only ask because I've been surprised at some of the packaging they've done. It wouldn't surprise me if this has more reinforcement than the standard Festool package due to the fact that it's not shipping in a systainer. I also ask because I haven't seen mine yet although that's about to change.

I'm going to ask Alexander this question again but I'd be shocked if they're putting the Kapex in a box without a systainer (which is the case) and without anything other than inserts. There's almost no amount of dunnage that would make me feel comfortable shipping a $1300-$1500 miter saw in a cardboard box unless it had some type of structural reinforcement. We used inserts in VA but that worked because the systainer itself provides a lot of the resistance to damage and, even with that, I heard from customers who said that their systainers were scratched and marred from time to time.

You could be right, Eli but if you are, I dread the notion of what UPS might do to some of these. What would stop it from going on their high-speed conveyors and with that much surface area and without reinforcement, I'm afraid KAPOW would be the most often-seen result.

Tell you guys what - I'm going to pose this question again. Let's see what Alexander Lerner says in response to this thread. And, again, I'm not picking on you Eli because you could certainly be right. It's worth knowing ahead of time.

I'll let you guys know what I find out. Thanks for pushing the issue, Eli. Let's see what they say.

Here's the email I just sent to Alexander:

Hey Alex,

A few months ago, you told me in an email that the shipping weight of the Kapex in its box was approximately 77 lbs. At the time, I didn't question it but I'm making plans for my customers and my warehouse and I'm curious because the Kapex's weight is only 44 lbs or so. Is there really that much reinforcement in the box or was that a typo?

Ron,

I am equally curious, as well as concerned, about the supportive packaging for the Kapex... especially with UPS. I am hoping it would be a very thick, styrofoam type molded shell.

Bob

 

[Ron Pegram]

It turns out that Eli was right. Alexander Lerner replied by writing:

Ronald,

Sorry for the misinformation. Back then we didn?t have KAPEX in stock and had to rely on the data I had from the supplier. The gross weight is 44lbs indeed.
77lbs might have come from a gross weight when shipped on a pallet. US pallet weight varies usually between 30 to 40 lbs.

I'm sure Festool has the shipping down-pat based on its successful launch in the UK.

So now I'm on to part II of my quest. One of my customers is also a successful UK distributor of Festool items. I've contacted him to ask what the packaging for the Kapex is actually like. As soon as he responds, I'll let you all know.

 

[Forrest Anderson]

The photo below is taken from an eBay auction that I was watching in December, and seems to show the cardboard transit box, at least the one supplied in the UK:

Forrest

 

[Eli]

Yep, that's how I received mine from the dealer, who would have had it delivered to him on a pallet with other boxed items. I think he may have couriered it over to me (a service to exchange tools needing service as well), but I don't remeber, as some of the stuff I picked up directly from him (Anthony at Ideal Tools).  They mostly use private couriers here, varying the size of the truck with the size of the delivery. So it could be delivered as a single box. There are no voids inside the box (from what I remember) there are styrofoam inserts. Like a computer then, if the speaker system image doesn't work for you.

Haven't managed to get much done on the wood floor today, but I've made a few cuts with the Kapex inside, as it's raining. I'll let you know what the dust situation is in a few days if I'm reminded. I'll be interested to see how much is in a fresh CT-22 bag as well.

 

[Eli]

I've just checked the OP, and this thread isn't supposed to be about shipping. I think the answer is: For a work surface, build it the size of the 800's surface area, it fits perfect.

 

[Dave Rudy]

It may be because I started in the US and I'm still here  , but now I'm confused -- are we talking about shipping for the MFT3 or for the Kapex (an appliance of some kind rumored to exist in remote parts of the world)?

 

[Eli]

First post/ Original post:

I am going to build a table for my CMS similar to:http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=60204

I might be getting a Kapex when they are available, so it seems prudent to build the MS table big enough to hold it.  How big would it have to be to hold the Kapex?  (side to side and front to back; the depth will be adjustable...)
Thanks.

No mention of shipping. A table big enough to hold the Kapex would have the same size worktop as the 800, because I have both, and it fits perfectly. Even a few holes free at the back to clamp the errant piece of wood you need to hand saw. 

 

[jonny round boy]

The feet on the Kapex which fit into the MFT holes are on 576mm x 384mm centres, so you need a MFT top a minimum of 7 holes across the width, and 5 from front to back. The top on my small Kapex table is 725x490mm.

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HTH,

JRB

 

[Ned]

JRB--

Are the Kapex feet internally threaded so that a bolt can be inserted from underneath the table into the feet, locking all together?

Ned

 

[Frank-Jan]

No, the holes for the feet are not threaded, the rubber feet that sit in the holes are held by bolts from above (hadn't noticed before, seems unlikely to lose them this way), I think that the festool bolts to attach the kapex works very well (two 8 mm bolts with 13 mm heads), located a bit behind the rear of the fence.  Right next to the feet are some extra holes in the base for smaller bolts/ screws, also not-threaded.

 

[Dave Ronyak]

Today, at a demo in Ohio, a Festool rep told me the Kapex into in USA is intended to be mounted on a table stand about the same size an an MFT 800.

Dave R.

 

[Eli]

The 800 IS the table stand for the Kapex, so that's sort of the right information.