How does this product release system make any sense?

Regarding router bits - Festool did offer lots and lots of different bits here. But, and I am sorry I don't remember the year, they decided to narrow down their offerings and pay better attention to inventory. They pared down what they offered and most of the router bits - which didn't sell - were not restocked. There was a lot of bit tightening at that time.

Peter
 
@peter halle When I bought my OF900 many, many years back, Festool had a massive range of HSS profile cutters. But at eye watering prices. There was little in the way of router bit supply back then so it was a somewhat captive market. Very different now though, the door panel set that would have cost $400 or so back then can be had for around $60 or so now. So it doesn't surprise me that Festool's dropped a lot of the range over time, and will continue to.

I remember the ogee HSS cutter (no bearing mind you) I bought was around 1/5th the cost of the OF900 set.
 
@peter halle When I bought my OF900 many, many years back, Festool had a massive range of HSS profile cutters. But at eye watering prices. There was little in the way of router bit supply back then so it was a somewhat captive market. Very different now though, the door panel set that would have cost $400 or so back then can be had for around $60 or so now. So it doesn't surprise me that Festool's dropped a lot of the range over time, and will continue to.

I remember the ogee HSS cutter (no bearing mind you) I bought was around 1/5th the cost of the OF900 set.
Price certainly could have been a major part of the decision of what to continue to sell in various markets. Of course here in NA the lack of information on the advantages of the 8mm shafts and their much lower popularity might have also been part of the problem. No sense in keeping money tied up in inventory that isn't selling. Although Festool and all their sales managers have a crafted value proposition presentation, often times for items like router bits it can make sense to go for a cheaper version if you only need it for a couple of cuts or have to make cuts in nasty material.

I generally go with bits toward the top quality spectrum, but going with Amazon cheapies for one offs (if the size of the bit is not overly large) is justifiable for me. For instance, a number of years ago I worked on a disastrous project that I have written about here prior and had to reproduce some trim to finish off a kitchen after the cabinets were reconfigured. If I had to buy the various different bits at the top quality level I would have spent easily $300-400 dollars on the bits. All for less than 6 ft or so of moulding. I bought a set of various roundovers from Amazon for about $40 and made an acceptable copy that would match up to the existing. I never plan to use those again and should probably just throw them away so that the bad karma of that job can't continue on to someone else.

Peter
 
There's a Reuse Warehouse & a Restore almost next to each other and both are about 2 miles away that I donate my extra but still functional tools and building supplies to. A few months ago I dropped off a dozen older Milwaukee cordless tools all with extra batteries and chargers. Good people and very appreciative of donated items. :cool: :cool:
 
Regarding router bits - Festool did offer lots and lots of different bits here. But, and I am sorry I don't remember the year, they decided to narrow down their offerings and pay better attention to inventory. They pared down what they offered and most of the router bits - which didn't sell - were not restocked. There was a lot of bit tightening at that time.

Peter
OK? so don't stock them over here. But, why restrict the ability, of the dealers in other countries, to export them?
Those two things just don't mesh?
It's not just router bits, that was just the first thing that occurred to me. I remember trying to get something else, years ago, that wasn't available in NA. I'm pretty sure it was Amazon DE. It could even be put in the cart, but as soon as you put in a delivery address...........nope. No soup for you.
 
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I emailed Festool. This is what they said:

Thank you for contacting Festool Customer Service.

Unfortunately, the DF500 coming out September 2025 is not headed for North America but Germany. We are not sure if we will ever carry the new DF500 in our North America catalog but our website will stay updated with our most recent releases at www.Festoolusa.com

Let us know if you have any further questions about this.

Have a great day!

Thank y
 
OK? so don't stock them over here. But, why restrict the ability, of the dealers in other countries, to export them?
Those two things just don't mesh?
It's not just router bits, that was just the first thing that occurred to me. I remember trying to get something else, years ago, that wasn't available in NA. I'm pretty sure it was Amazon DE. It could even be put in the cart, but as soon as you put in a delivery address...........nope. No soup for you.
This is the thing that has been chaffing me the most! I've run into this several times. The first was getting the inlay for the LR-32 for the systainer. Couldn't get a replacement from festool of NA. They refuse to give you some molded plastic. Germany won't ship one out either. The next that has really p-d me off is the Centro tech 100mm bits. They have discontinued any of the metric bits here. So you can't get the torx but any more. I broke one of mine and had to ship a replacement from Germany. I did run into several places saying we can't ship it to the US. Why on earth are you restricting your own proprietary bits to a place you sell the freaking drill!
 
This is the thing that has been chaffing me the most! I've run into this several times. The first was getting the inlay for the LR-32 for the systainer. Couldn't get a replacement from festool of NA. They refuse to give you some molded plastic. Germany won't ship one out either.
I'd try asking Festool Service one more time. I've purchased several Systainer inserts from Festool Service along with receiving several cardboard inserts for Systainers. Unfortunately, sometimes it's the person that picks up the phone that's the problem. 😵‍💫
 
The next that has really p-d me off is the Centro tech 100mm bits. They have discontinued any of the metric bits here. So you can't get the torx but any more. I broke one of mine and had to ship a replacement from Germany. I did run into several places saying we can't ship it to the US. Why on earth are you restricting your own proprietary bits to a place you sell the freaking drill!
Since when is a Torx bit "metric" in the sense that it's not justified for NA? Torx is extremely common and pretty much the standard for construction screws these days.
 
I'd try asking Festool Service one more time. I've purchased several Systainer inserts from Festool Service along with receiving several cardboard inserts for Systainers. Unfortunately, sometimes it's the person that picks up the phone that's the problem. 😵‍💫
Over the past three years I've tried several times. They won't bend on this one. Although the LR-32 kit is sold her and one presumed if you got a cracked one in shipping they won't do a replacement.
 
Since when is a Torx bit "metric" in the sense that it's not justified for NA? Torx is extremely common and pretty much the standard for construction screws these days.
It makes no sense to me. They discontinued the 100mm long ones for Phillips and Robertson bits. Pozi is gone in that size too!
 
Since when is a Torx bit "metric" in the sense that it's not justified for NA? Torx is extremely common and pretty much the standard for onstruction screws these days.
I'm pretty sure they are. Of course, they are not marketed that way, but IIRC, they fit inside of the appropriate size metric hex. (internal and external) I'm not entirely sure about the point of the external though? Why do those even exist? For that matter, why the internal either?
My first experience with Torx was with hood and door hinges on Jeeps. This was in the late 70s/early 80s. Stupidly, they were painted after assembly. There was no way to disassemble them, without damaging something. The sockets always got chewed up. (the paint anyway) Drivers/tips were actually hard to get back then. It was somewhat tamper-resistant, long before the intentionally made style, they make now.

I was a little concerned about the future availability of the 100mm tips, when I bought the set. It was a Limited Edition, and that sometimes has an effect on that kind of thing. Sometimes they are just a bunch of items that are sold as individual pieces, combined and discounted. Other times, not so much.

The insert trays? I'm not so sure about those. It's not really an official product, more like "packaging". It would only be available internally, as an assembly line item. So, I get it that they wouldn't want to retail them.
The bits though? I don't get that. They are a proprietary fitment, that I would imagine they defend with the patent?
Even if they wouldn't offer them in a real retail situation, maybe as an EKat item? (Replacement/repair part)
 
I emailed Festool. This is what they said:

Thank you for contacting Festool Customer Service.

Unfortunately, the DF500 coming out September 2025 is not headed for North America but Germany. We are not sure if we will ever carry the new DF500 in our North America catalog but our website will stay updated with our most recent releases at www.Festoolusa.com

Let us know if you have any further questions about this.

Have a great day!

Thank y
Called up to ask as well and got the same line. I pushed a bit asking what regulatory a new fence on the DF500R could be subject to and didn’t get anywhere. Finding it difficult to bring myself to pay full price (plus price hike) for a tool that’s been discontinued in most other markets.
 
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Policy must have changed as I bought various inserts while Uncle Bob, "may his name be forever revered", was still distributing. I bought the LR-32 insert and various sanding inserts.
 
I'd try asking Festool Service one more time. I've purchased several Systainer inserts from Festool Service along with receiving several cardboard inserts for Systainers. Unfortunately, sometimes it's the person that picks up the phone that's the problem. 😵‍💫
This is true. I too have called in several times on different occasions seeking out different inserts and FTCS has typically accommodated me.
 
Called up to ask as well and got the same line. I pushed a bit asking what regulatory a new fence on the DF500R could be subject to and didn’t get anywhere. Finding it difficult to bring myself to pay full price (plus price hike) for a tool that’s been discontinued in most other markets.

You know, maybe the reason they are not going to bring the new DF500R or the DFC500 to the United States is that no one is really interested in buying them, they won't sell and they will eat their shirt on the loss. The only reason any of the people here are up in arms is because we are "not the typical tool users" and are more of the anomaly because there are not enough of us to sustain any tool company...
 
You know, maybe the reason they are not going to bring the new DF500R or the DFC500 to the United States is that no one is really interested in buying them, they won't sell and they will eat their shirt on the loss. The only reason any of the people here are up in arms is because we are "not the typical tool users" and are more of the anomaly because there are not enough of us to sustain any tool company...
Certainly possible but I can’t imagine there’s that much of a difference in markets. And while we’re on this train of thought, I can’t imagine anyone wasn’t buying a Domino because of they hadn’t updated the fence (until now), so why do so at all?
 
I assure you the US market is far more profitable for them than the German market. I've bought and (unfortunately) sold most of my tools and now am slightly rebuilding my shop. The Domino is the tool I can't live without from Festool and would prefer the DF 700 with the Seneca adapter. I had it and loved it. The DF 700 at $1900 is criminal and Seneca doesn't seem to be making the adapter anymore. Almost every other tool Festool makes is easily purchased from other manufacturers now with nearly equivilent results at lower price points. Maybe even with superior results. Festool makes good tools. I'm here and still buying them but they aren't as amazing to me as they once were. And if they are going to make them hard for me to buy I'm going to buy something else. Unfortunately, the Domino is still one of those tools others haven't effectively replicated. I want the latest DF 500 if I'm paying the premium. It is ridiculous that they would release it in Germany but not the US.
 
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