How well does the Maxi Systainer fit onto the sys roll?

[Lime green]

I know this question was asked once before on the forum but I'm trying to get confirmation.  From what I understand, the Maxi Systainer fits onto the older version on the sys roll without snapping into place.  My question is, how stable is this?  If you go over a bump will it fall off?

 

[mino]

Man, thank you for this question!

Before your Q I had a pile of MAXIs on the ground and next to them an RB SYS TL (2nd gen). Unused ...

With the RB SYS TL it works by the "central" feet of the MAXI fitting into detents on the cart and the rest of the MAXI "resting" on the top of the cart..

The MAXI fits purely on gravitation, so one would need to strap the systainers with the cart ... if any bumps were planned but it is definitely doable. A single strap all around should prevent the cart from "leaving" a MAXI stack.

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I do not have an "old" SYS-ROLL, it there is such a thing, but either way the SYS ROLL does not use any locking and relies on the straps even with T-Locs. So that should not be a concern. Though I cannot imagine a MAXI fitting (sensibly) on the SYS ROLL ...

You sure you meant the SYS *ROLL* and not the cart ?

 

[Lime green]

Thank you and yes, I meant to type sys cart, 2nd gen.  While researching it looks like Systainers only mount on the Maxi facing each other.  I was hoping they would mount in the opposite direction so could be opened without removing them.  I might just need to make my own cart to have stacks side by side.

 

[mino]

Thank you and yes, I meant to type sys cart, 2nd gen.  While researching it looks like Systainers only mount on the Maxi facing each other.  I was hoping they would mount in the opposite direction so could be opened without removing them.  I might just need to make my own cart to have stacks side by side.

If you have T-Locs you can absolutely open them when stacked atop a MAXI - the "top" row that is. Actually, if they are the other way round you would not be able to open them as the tops would interfere .. The same way with classics, but those can be opened only with their latches opened as the latches are not accessible like they are for the T-Locs.

I bought 6 MAXI IIIs last year on whim while on sale to go along my DR 20-origin MAXI II. And oh boy, how sorry I am I did not get them sooner!

For transportable boxes (not mobile, transportable by car, now even by cart (!) ) they are way, way better than the smallish 40x30 systainers.

I plan a SYS-PORT style sliding storage for them as my main tools storage solution for whole categories of tools - e.g. "sanders" etc., etc.. They are big/deep-enough to act like pretty efficient drawers while in shop and still very much transportable when needed. Way better that TLocs in SYS-PORTS.

 

[Lime green]

I was planning on using the Sortainer drawers so that's likely not possible as they wouldn't be able to open butted up against each other but it's good to know that you can still open the T-locs.  I couldn't find a video that demonstrates what that would look like and it seemed like it would be hard to get your hand in between the two boxes.

 

[mino]

The T-loc catches do not need much force, so pushing a finger in the space "created" by the front recesses works pretty well.

That said, opening systainers stacked directly atop a MAXI is more of a gimmick feature. The MAXIs are really the "transportable" cases which are at home in a static shop use while infinitely tranportable without a prep. It is a shame folks at Festool did never recognize this use case. The SYS-PORT concept is what the MAXI is almost "made for" while the concept's space efficiency is pretty bad with the standard size systainers.

This makes the MAXIs excellent for shop-centric use while the standard size systainers are really great for carrying stuff up the stairs/to the roof/etc. Generaly for a true mobile usage.

Check out the new SYS3 cart along with the SYS3 XXL as the bottom one. Those seem to be Made For YouTM.

 

[Lime green]

The T-loc catches do not need much force, so pushing a finger in the space "created" by the front recesses works pretty well.

That said, opening systainers stacked directly atop a MAXI is more of a gimmick feature. The MAXIs are really the "transportable" cases which are at home in a static shop use while infinitely tranportable without a prep. It is a shame folks at Festool did never recognize this use case. The SYS-PORT concept is what the MAXI is almost "made for" while the concept's space efficiency is pretty bad with the standard size systainers.

This makes the MAXIs excellent for shop-centric use while the standard size systainers are really great for carrying stuff up the stairs/to the roof/etc. Generaly for a true mobile usage.

Check out the new SYS3 cart along with the SYS3 XXL as the bottom one. Those seem to be Made For YouTM.

I actually have the Sys3 cart and XXL already. I'm not a huge fan of the setup because it feels a bit too long and wonky.  I like the idea of 2 Systainers back to back instead of side by side.

 

[Lime green]

I just found this picture.  I think this is what I need to do.

 

[Coen]

That still won't fit a Maxi??

 

[squall_line]

That still won't fit a Maxi??

I feel like the Maxi was only a means to an end as far as getting a double-stack of Systainers onto a SYS Roll.

 

[mino]

I feel like the Maxi was only a means to an end as far as getting a double-stack of Systainers onto a SYS Roll.

Nope.

Well, the MAXI predates SYS Roll by a decade plu .. and predated RB SYS TL (Cart) by about the same. Not sure about the 1st gen cart how it is compatible. But anyway, no the 2nd gen it is an additional capability, it is clear they just made the detents to *accommdate* placing a MAXI atop, but it was like a late addition from some user tester. Had they *planned* it like that, the top surface would be extended around the handles so the maximum surface of the MAXI is supported at the footprint.

Second, it is easy to forget Festo(ol) and Protool (used to) make a LOT of tools which do not fit in a Systainer of any size. Lots of big drills etc.
Initially, both the Systainer and the MAXI were made compatible with the EUROcontainer sizes - 40x30 and 40x60 with the MAXI really being compatible-with but not-made-for stacking with the rnomal Systainers. One can easily observe it by the MAXI not having a top handle - it is supposed to "stack" stably in a vehicle, and that is about it.

Eventually, the concept did not really sell and 600 mm wide was too narrow for many tools as well. Or, more precise, people including those at Festool, never really managed to find a workflow to sell to for. So they switched to 2 Systainers side-by-side with the XXL one now making the semi-static use case (see below) dead.

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I realized how great the MAXIs are for static-but-portable shop use in a SYS-PORT style arrangement only after they were discontinued ... and a sales hit me at a great price. Bought them without knowing what I will use them for ... would have proably never realized the use case at €80 per piece .. just too much ... That with me being fully aware of them since like 2010, well before I got my first Festool ...

 

[squall_line]

I feel like the Maxi was only a means to an end as far as getting a double-stack of Systainers onto a SYS Roll.

Nope.

Let me clarify.

I feel like, /*for this particular user*/, the Maxi was only a means to an end for double-stacking Systainers on a SYS Roll.  Which is why the "Two SYS Roll Bases on a wooden platform" picture appealed to Lime Green.

 

[Lime green]

I was planning on using the Sortainer drawers so that's likely not possible as they wouldn't be able to open butted up against each other but it's good to know that you can still open the T-locs.  I couldn't find a video that demonstrates what that would look like and it seemed like it would be hard to get your hand in between the two boxes.

It just occurred to me that all I would have to do is take out the drawers of the old-style Sortainers and flip them around after mounting them.  Or am I missing something?

 

[squall_line]

I was planning on using the Sortainer drawers so that's likely not possible as they wouldn't be able to open butted up against each other but it's good to know that you can still open the T-locs.  I couldn't find a video that demonstrates what that would look like and it seemed like it would be hard to get your hand in between the two boxes.

It just occurred to me that all I would have to do is take out the drawers of the old-style Sortainers and flip them around after mounting them.  Or am I missing something?

You're not missing anything; the old-style Sortainer drawers are, in fact, able to slide in from either the front or the back.