I love my CT36,,,,,,but........

[monte]

I love everything about my CT36,,,,,,but........

I have one little issue regarding the brake. [embarassed]

On my Ct 33 (older model) the unit's brake was set by the pushing down levers individually on each rear wheel.
On my Ct 36 (new model) in order to apply the break on the unit one folds out a brake lever that's situated in the front below the inlet opening.

For those not familiar with the new models or the midi or mini ct, when one folds out the brake one is in fact lifting the vac slightly so that the two from wheels are not touching the ground,
thus disabling any forward or lateral movement.

Which is all fine until one starts to stack sustainers one it, at that moment the stack becomes a little wobbly because it is lifted in the center front.
It doesn't have the same focused stance as my Ct33 stacked.
Also if one has several sustainers or sortainers stacked on it it is a little more awkward to lift up the unit in order to apply the break which was not the case on the ct33's or 22's.

From an engineering point of view and looking beyond wanting to streamline a product line to all follow the same drummer,
could someone enlighten me about the outweighed benefits of such a design change?

I think I would have preferred a larger kick latch on each of the rear wheels or a one step latch for both rear wheels rather than an uplift brake.

cheers.

ps. in the meantime I guess I'll be using two plastic shims under each front wheel when in lock/stacked mode. [eek]

pss. I just want it to be known that if I would get yet another CT, I would still get a CT36 over a 33 due to it's other positive changes.

psss. I be curious to hear a response from the wise men in Germany one of the engineers in Germany........................(Shane) [wink]

 

[RONWEN]

I love everything about my CT36,,,,,,but........

I have one little issue regarding the brake. [embarassed]

On my Ct 33 (older model) the unit's brake was set by the pushing down levers individually on each rear wheel.
On my Ct 36 (new model) in order to apply the break on the unit one folds out a brake lever that's situated in the front below the inlet opening.

For those not familiar with the new models or the midi or mini ct, when one folds out the brake one is in fact lifting the vac slightly so that the two from wheels are not touching the ground,
thus disabling any forward or lateral movement.

Which is all fine until one starts to stack sustainers one it, at that moment the stack becomes a little wobbly because it is lifted in the center front.
It doesn't have the same focused stance as my Ct33 stacked.
Also if one has several sustainers or sortainers stacked on it it is a little more awkward to lift up the unit in order to apply the break which was not the case on the ct33's or 22's.

From an engineering point of view and looking beyond wanting to streamline a product line to all follow the same drummer,
could someone enlighten me about the outweighed benefits of such a design change?

cheers.

ps. in the meantime I guess I'll be using two plastic shims under each front wheel when in lock/stacked mode. [eek]

It also doesn't sound like the CT-36 will be a good choice for use with a boom arm -- I would think the less stable brake design would be even worse using a boom arm.  Else, those extra outriggers that nobody ever needed with the CT-33 will now find good purpose.  [unsure]

 

[chrisrosenb]

I have used the brake on my CT36 a couple of times, but I do not recall lifting the vac up to set it.
I am several miles away from it at this time, but if I remember correctly, I used my foot to push the brake down to the floor & then rolled the vac forward slightly to set the brake.
I have the handle accessory on mine & use it to pull the vac forward, so no stooping or bending is involved.

 

[mouppe]

I have used the brake on my CT36 a couple of times, but I do not recall lifting the vac up to set it.
I am several miles away from it at this time, but if I remember correctly, I used my foot to push the brake down to the floor & then rolled the vac forward slightly to set the brake.
I have the handle accessory on mine & use it to pull the vac forward, so no stooping or bending is involved.

You must have a very long hose.

 

[monte]

I have used the brake on my CT36 a couple of times, but I do not recall lifting the vac up to set it.
I am several miles away from it at this time, but if I remember correctly, I used my foot to push the brake down to the floor & then rolled the vac forward slightly to set the brake.
I have the handle accessory on mine & use it to pull the vac forward, so no stooping or bending is involved.

Chris,
I chose not to get the handle this time so as to store it under one of my tables, so I could see where u could "kick start a brake on yours"

Do u get a wobble when stacked with sustainers?

 

[ccarrolladams]

After owning and using many CT22 since 2006, our first CT36 arrive in mid-November.

Although some of our CT22 have handles and one has a Festool Boom Arm, we have not added a handle to this first CT36. Currently it will be our primary on-site CT. Handles are good in stock at our dealer, so if it turns out having a handle will improve its mobility on-site we will add one.

Generally we do not stack Systainers on our CT, but after seeing this topic I did that. For me the brake system of the CT36 worked well and the Systainers did not wobble excessively with the brake set.

Thinking back I am not sure how often I have used the brakes on our CT22. The ones without handles are dedicated to spots under benches or Kapex. The only time they are moved is for bag changing. If they were to roll about during use they could not go far and it would not do any harm.

 

[RONWEN]

The boom arm mounts on the back (non-caster) end of the CT33 so it doesn't trail or caster nicely on it's own -- with that I always have the brakes locked when using the boom arm.

 

[ccarrolladams]

The boom arm mounts on the back (non-caster) end of the CT33 so it doesn't trail or caster nicely on it's own -- with that I always have the brakes locked when using the boom arm.

The one CT22 we own with a Festool boom arm makes use of the outriggers because that boom is used away from the vac. My experience is this does not require setting the brakes.

Of course conditions and use will vary. When I was still building projects in rooms at my condo, the floors had carpet, so the CT stayed put without brakes.

Our shop had smooth concrete floors that are level. Better to keep things in place and safer when using the forklift. So far the outriggers have done their thing with the CT and boom arm. But should we need them, the brakes are accessible.

 

[chrisrosenb]

I have used the brake on my CT36 a couple of times, but I do not recall lifting the vac up to set it.
I am several miles away from it at this time, but if I remember correctly, I used my foot to push the brake down to the floor & then rolled the vac forward slightly to set the brake.
I have the handle accessory on mine & use it to pull the vac forward, so no stooping or bending is involved.

Chris,
I chose not to get the handle this time so as to store it under one of my tables, so I could see where u could "kick start a brake on yours"

Do u get a wobble when stacked with sustainers?

I do not stack Systainers on mine. I do have a Systainer 5 that I keep locked to the top of the CT 36 all of the time.
I store a 30' hose & all of my vac accessories in it, I do not cover it up so I always have access to the accessories. 

 

[Cableaddict]

I never use more than one small systainer on my CT36.  It doesn't wobble with the brake on.  HOWEVER-

While I'm glad to have a brake of some kind, (My old Bosch had none) I dislike the design of this brake, for a different reason from the OP:
It's a bit of a pain to engage. You have to lift the vacuum off of the floor, then push down.  I guess they made it this way so the brake would stick out, which does create a smaller footprint, but I think the design can be improved.

Not a big deal, though.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

I took  the wheel breaks out of my 22.  It got to the point I could not stand listening to them clatter anymore.

So, if that does not happen with the 26/36 I will be happy.

 

[TomGadwa1]

It is like the cable addict states. One has to lift up the CT36 slightly to engage the brake which becomes more of a challenge if the WCR1000 work center is installed. Sometimes I think these designers never USE what they design things for. What I am contemplating to do is to replace my small caster wheels that come with the CT36 (non brake type) with some brake type casters. Then I will be able to set the brakes on each small wheel without having to lift up and destabilize my setup. Also if I want I have the choice now of setting one or both small wheel brakes. This is my plan.