I'm confused about how to set my camera.

Bill Wyko

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I have a Cannon EOS-20. This camera is a fantastic camera, especially for those that know how to set it up properly. I'm not one of those people. I've read the manual and really got lost. I do have a small photo tent and a couple extra lenses for it. When I take pics w/o flash the pic is almost always are blurry. With a flash I always get a flash reflection. I think this camera reqires an education in photography.  ???
 
Bill Wyko said:
I have a Cannon EOS-20. This camera is a fantastic camera, especially for those that know how to set it up properly. I'm not one of those people. I've read the manual and really got lost. I do have a small photo tent and a couple extra lenses for it. When I take pics w/o flash the pic is almost always are blurry. With a flash I always get a flash reflection. I think this camera reqires an education in photography.  ???
Bill, I don't shoot Canon so I can't answer in detail, but a couple of questions...  Are you using a tripod?  Is your flash in-camera or external?  Are you using a diffuser for the flash? 

Regards,

Dan.
 
I'm using the internal flash, I need to fix my tripod, it's missing a bolt and I don't have a diffuser. The photo tent I have does have halogen lights and the tent diffuses them. I'll take a pic of the tent tomorrow and I'll try to fix the tripod. Thanks again.
 
Bill Wyko said:
I'm using the internal flash, I need to fix my tripod, it's missing a bolt and I don't have a diffuser. The photo tent I have does have halogen lights and the tent diffuses them. I'll take a pic of the tent tomorrow and I'll try to fix the tripod. Thanks again.

You got it, you need to set the camera on a tripod.
The bolt on a normal tripod is simply a 1/4-20 machine screw. You probably have something that will do but you might need to add some washers (not between the camera and tripod).

Or get strobes to illuminate the tent, or both.

I just checked dpreview.com and with this camera you have "Very low noise levels even at high sensitivities, fully usable ISO range (100 - 3200)". Therefore, you should be able to get steady shots by simply increasing the ISO to a high enough level that the shutter speed is at least 1/60th. Also, make sure your aperture setting is something reasonable, that is, no smaller than necessary to get enough depth of field that the majority of the subject in focus.

Also, you don't really have to use a tripod. Anything that will stabilize the camera enough is adequate. When shooting stuff in the shop I often use a guide rail. It is about the right height and it's wide enough that it doesn't rock so it does an adequate job of stopping movement in two axis. The only possibility of movement is front/back which is the least noticeable direction.
 
Bill,

Like Michael said when using tungsten lights a tripod is essential.

If you have the EOS 20D that is an excellent camera.

For a quick setup with your tent and halogen lights try this.

- Put the camera on a tripod
- Position your halogen lights around the tent until you get an illumination you think looks good (no need to look through the lens just look from the point of   
  view of the camera)
- Next set your camera to Aperture Value (Av) and to selftimer (explained in pic below) (if you use P mode (automatic) the flash will fire and ruin your shot)

The reason for the self timer is to eliminate as much shaking (by depressing the shutter) as possible

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Now to set the apperture right (So your subject will be in focus front to back)

- Half depress shutter
- turn wheel
- set aperture to 11 (explained in pic below)

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- Take the picture, wait for self timer and the shutter to open and close (may take a few seconds depending on the amount of light you have)and check your picture

If you have different lenses use something in the 50-80mm range this will give you a nice looking shot, avoid wide angles because of distortions.

This is a very basic way to do this and can be improved on but just to get you started this should work. If you try it and are not satisfied just post your pic and we can see what can do to make it better..
 
two other ideas.  look in the manual for a featcher where the mirror lock up before the shutter opens.  this elimates the miror bounce.

dump the on board flash.  its too close to the center line and causes those flash areas on the object.  you can get lites to lite uo the box or get an off camera but hi power flash.  bounce the hi power flash off a white cardboard  and then on to the objective.  on inside normal pics you bounce it off the ceiling.  the on board flash is a marketing/sales option.  they're not worth using in most caese.
 
Your Canon is a low noise camera so the quick fix is:

Increase ISO to 400/640 ISO. Choose a wider aperture (lower or lowest number) say go from f8 to f4.5 - or preferrably f2.8 if you have a fast lens. Set shutter speed to something you can comfortably hold - say a 1/40th of a second with flash on rear sync. This remedies most situations for still objects providing a fairly good foreground/background exposure.
In short: increase ISO setting (but not to the point where noise is excessive), open up the aperture, set shutter to 1/60th or 1/40th for stationary subjects and rear sync on the flash/camera.

If you get blurry pictures it boils down to:

Not enough light, forces camera to open up the shutter for longer period = shaky. Solution: increase light or use flash.

Wrong aperture: don't choose f11(higher value = smaller hole = longer exposure) unless you really need the extra depth of field (stopping down the lens increases depth of field but each f-stop pays a penalty of one stop on the shutterspeed setting). f11 and 1/8th of a second (blur guarantee) equals f4 and 1/60th of a second. F-stops are for example f2.8/4/5.6/8/11 where each increment increases or halves the light: 2.8 and 1/60th equals 4 and 1/30th equals 5.6 and 1/15th etc. Shutterspeeds follow the aperture and vice versa.

If you use flash you also need to balance it off with the ambient exposure to get a natural result. You can set the camera to rear (second curtain) sync so the flash pops at the end of the exposure. Note that if light levels are low the exposure gets longer and if it is too dark you are better off with the quick fix above. 
Also, if you are shooting close up on ISO 800 the flash might not be able to suppress itself enough on a wide aperture so you might need to stop down close up or suffer overexposure. The built in flash in generally weak and close up the lens usually casts a unsightly shadow over the subject.

Check flash settings. Best is to bounce the flash on a white card for a more even illumination. However with a light tent and good illumination you might not need flash at all - just need to white balance correctly. But choose aperture carefully: if your subject is flat you don't need to stop down that much on the aperture - just choose the angle carefully. At closer range the depth of field is smaller and for each stopping down on the aperture the depth of field increases by a ratio of 1:3 from the field of focus towards you and 2:3 from the point of focus towards infinity. A wide angle will give you better depth of field but can provide more distortion where as a telephoto lens has narrower depth of field and stopping down a telephotolens close up doesn't do as much as one might want.

If shutterspeeds are low: tripod yes. If you haven't a cable release use the self timer.

I could write more but I need to eat some and then I am off to... ...a photoshoot. I have written small articles on setting things up for digital cameras but only in my native tongue.
  ;)

Bill; the problem with the built in flash is that it sits close to the camera body and therefore casts a shadow over the subject.

To minimize the shadow you could use the quick fix in my previous post - it produces a softer flash output as you set the camera to allow more room for ambient light. If you get an ugly shadow on the subject try and elevate yourself slightly as this will produce a lower shadow. Also, if you are taking a portrait of someone and must use flash (or an item - like a Festool box) remember to tilt the camera to the correct side when shooting vertical shots:

If you are on the left side of the subject (or if the subject is looking to YOUR left) tilt the camera to the left so the flash is on the left side as well. The try and shoot at a very slight angle from above. If the subject is close to a wall try and get it out from the wall a wee bit. By doing this you allow for the shadow to drop beneath the subject and become less apparent.

If you tilt the camera the wrong way you get a ugly nose shadow and a strong shadow from the subject, on the wall.

If the subject is facing the other way - tilt the camera the other way. Once you've got the hang of it it becomes second nature. :)

If shooting your work shop use a wideangle lens, set the ISO slightly higher than normal (normal is as LOW as possible) use a wide aperture (low number) as depth of field is generally good enough, place focus where it needs to be choose rear sync on flash. If uncertain place focus at the closest (to the camera) interesting object and let the depth of field do the rest by stopping down some more on the aperture or just fade naturally.  If you have an external flash you can angle it up against the ceiling and set the flash manually to the widest setting to allow a more even spread. Note that a white ceiling is preferrable as a dark ceiling will just consume the light and a coloured ceiling will colour the picture... ...If ceiling is dark, too high or green/blue/red you can use a piece of white cardboard at 45 degree angle and bounce the flash on. Or get one of the nice diffusers (which are meant to be tilted as well).

Reflections are trickier but in general they are much nicer with bounced flash.

Now I really gotta go!
 
Examples?
First shot:
flash straight on, low ISO, wrong aperture, and not very flattering result:
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Note that the shadow is completely gone and the flash balanced with the ambient light.

If your camera in Program mode says: ISO 100, 1/90th of a second and f11 the onboard flash will - in a dimly lit room - give you a perfect exposure on the subject itself but as the flash cannot go through the subject and continue to fill out the background you will end up with the same exposure on the background: ISO 100, 1/90th and f11 - but without flash. Result; harsh flash photo with very dark background. Using normal flash or rear sync will in this case provide no difference on the end result.

By increasing ISO to say ISO 400 we ease up on the flash output and with the same combo as above we get two full stops of brighter background: background still receives no flash and gives us ISO 400 1/90th and f11.

Better, but Still too dark, lets open up the aperture to f2.8, from f11 that is a whopping four stop difference (each stop doubles the amount of light). Now it is starting to look like something. To tweak it a bit more we choose a slightly longer shutter speed - but not long enough to cause camera shake: keep it at 1/60th or 1/40th and throw in second curtain/rear sync. This will cause the flash to pop gently at the END of the exposure. Voila: much nicer photo and with a background you can actually make out.

The shutter speed in a dark room plays a much smaller role  when using flash, in a completely dark room the flash provides the ONLY light so it is the duration of flash rather than shutter speed on camera that provides the "freezing of the moment". You can even use a full second on the camera in pitch black and get sharp photos if the flash is set properly; the flash will only output for a very short time (in some cases maybe just a 1/10000th of a second at close range) and freeze the moment. The rest of the second is still in pitch black and will not affect the exposure.

Now I really really gotta go...  ::)
 
Nick, the SLR cameras have improved dramatically over the last few years and there are today an abundance of quite good to excellent cameras that fit the bill, relatively cheap, low noise, fast handling etc. I would recommend any of the "mid-entry level" SLR's from the major brands: they are small, lightweight and just the other week I played with my friends Nikon D40x and was impressed by it: very fast in action and menus were fast and comprehensive. They have low noise, fast AF and easy handling.

Unfortunately most of them have plenty of "picture modes" but all of them revolve around the very same basis: aperture + shutterspeed, just in various combinations. Too bad you have no idea of what the program is doing. 

It is generally best to avoid the point & shoots for several reasons. This is the segment with the least image quality improvement over the years. Their problem is that they have too many pixels. Yes, too many - crammed in on a tiny sensor, smaller than a fingernail. These cameras with 8/10/12 MP deliver ok-ish pics at their base ISO sensitivity, but when light levels drop the pics they generate are very fuzzy from all the noise. It is the market (and hype) that keep screaming for more megapixels. Most people have forgotten that the first digitalSLRs were 6MP. And they delivered very impressive images. But then again, the sensor was large and noise was therefore low - even with those days crappy noise reduction.

After that initial rambling I could say that before digital it was (gospel according to me): all about the optics. The camera was just a box. If it worked and you had a great lens on you were set.

Today, people focus (yes, pun intended) on the techie side of the cameras and, partly, rightly so. Today the main contenders are fairly close so it is again back to the optics. Usually the kit lenses are substandard: slower AF, slow aperture wise, plasticky and not to sharp either. Canons kit lenses are usually crap. (Don't get me wrong - I shoot Canon - just not with the crap lenses...) So for an entry level camera I would recommend either Nikon: "safe" buy and pretty good lenses, or Olympus: small SLR's with arguably the best kit lenses.

People write twice as much as me on the merits on various systems but if you just want a good camera and don't plan on buying in on the largest system available and start collecting lenses I would still recommend the Nikon/Olympus and as an underdog Sony, which has taken over the former Minolta line up. There will be lots of lenses to choose from regardless of brand.

With you new camera in hand you should take a little time to find the quirks and work around them. Find the two-three modes (snap away at home and away and try them out) that work for you and stick with them. (The quick fix posted earlier in this thread applies to all cameras)

To narrow it down even further I could say; get a decent camera, set ISO to 400/640/800 for dim lit situations, open the aperture in the A mode to the lowest number, flash to rear/2nd curtain sync mode and fire away.  On the sunny side of things you can let the camera work in green mode - but better to work in P(rogram) mode which is the same but allows you to compensate for the exposure
;)

 

 
Two words correct this issue simply....switch to manual focus. Use lights to accomplish if necessary, and it won't allow the camera to refocus on something else.
 
Manual focus vs. autofocus has nothing to do with this.

The first and most significant issue is that the OP is shooting unsupported (no tripod or other surface holding the camera).  Get the tripod fixed, replace it, or find something else that is stable enough to hold the camera in an appropriate position.  If shooting without the flash, you can further improve by using the self-timer and moving your hand off the camera during the shot.

The reflection is likely the position of the internal flash.  You can diffuse the flash by sitting an index card in front of it after popping it up and angling the card to bounce the flash upward, then have something above that to bounce the light back at the subject.  You will lose some of the brightness, but Canon's flash and auto-exposure system is usually very good about figuring it out as long as nothing moves between its initial test flash and the actual exposure.

Or as others have suggested, find something other than the internal flash to light the subject with.  The internal flash on a camera is generally for "emergency" use and is rarely the best option for getting quality shots, mainly because even with the pop-up it is still too close to the lens and can't be directly angled to point it at something.

One other thing to consider: if the reflection is coming from the light bouncing off something that is outside the picture... cover it with something!

 
There is an old rule of thumb for full frame images, the shutter speed needs to be faster than 1 / focal length. So if you are using a 150 mm focal length then your shutter speed must be 1/150 or faster. You may need to up your ISO setting. The formula needs to be adjusted for the corp factor of your sensor or multiply the focal length of the lens by 1.6 and use that value for the divisor.

Also hand holding technique is all important along with breath control.The correct way to hold a dSLR camera How to Properly Hold a DSLR Camera

You also need to keep your f stop between 5.6 and 11. If your f stop drops below 5.6 then you will start getting a very limited depth of field (DOF).

Also make sure the you have achieved focus before depressing the shutter release. If you are using a lens with Optical Stabilization, OS, you will need to  allow time for the OS lens to do its job.
 
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