Interesting TS55 REQ break down review

[Holmz]

...
... I also don't understand why he would not have run some of the tests before he took the saw apart- at least get some baseline readings on power draw and whatever else is possible prior to modification.

He did not modify anything.
He took it apart and put it back together.

I realize he did not go in with the intention of modifying anything but he ended up doing so anyway.  He had to pry some pieces out with screwdrivers.  He was open about crushing the brush holder and I think someone else point out that he damaged something else at one point while taking it apart.

I don't think anyone can reassemble a factory made product back quite the same as it came from the factory and therefore I think it makes sense to test whatever can be tested prior to taking it apart.  Maybe it had no effect but maybe it did.

Yep - modified seems to intend to make better or different, and destroyed seems a bit harsh as it still works.
So I am not sure what the proper verb or adverb would be.

But FT repairs these units... so it would not be unheard of that it can be repaired outside of a factory. Chistofferson even posted something like he can do a reassemble in 10 minutes.

I could see FT charging to repair the broken bits, however it is looking like their posting of the serial number indicates some displeasure as well as the banning of 'the videjos'.

Alternatively they (FT) could make a positive statement and repair it... A good marketing and public relations person usually excels at that sort of stuff, so I am hopeful that the saw can be reborn to its intended glory.

 

[DzordanoBruno]

Iam not engeneer, but  this video have some problems:

1. Bushing  - we  used  this bushings  on Czech trains( 742 and 363...) for 40 years  and this system  is bullet  proof. This is wery simple solution.
    1a - Lubricant. I think when You use normal greas, then  spinning shaft  push it greas  out. So i think  You need use special  greas.

2. Another  plastic  on motor  case. Yea, this is maybe  problem  when You  use this saw like Hammer. This saw have temperature control, so i dont  see  this  problem  like a problem.

3. Plug  IT cabel. I live  in Czech Republic and i have 3shops  about  20km my house. When You use Domino, TS55, Rotex, Fein MM (with Plug IT cable) this solution  is absolutely perfect  and i dont have aby problems with this system.

4. Cables  and electronic in saw. IT WORKS!

5. Labels  on saw. Yea, maybe. But this is saw, not hammer.

6. CE  on on/off button. This  isnt  China export but Conformite Europe.

Thats  all. He knows  something, but something  dont.

EDIT: I like his videos, but when is mute  on, because  i dont understand his English.

 

[johnleve]

Yep - modified seems to intend to make better or different, and destroyed seems a bit harsh as it still works.
So I am not sure what the proper verb or adverb would be.

Great point, I had not meant anything other than that it was altered from its original condition, could have chosen my words better.  I think altered might be a good choice as it is factual but does not make a judgment on the results.

 

[Kev]

Yep - modified seems to intend to make better or different, and destroyed seems a bit harsh as it still works.
So I am not sure what the proper verb or adverb would be.

Great point, I had not meant anything other than that it was altered from its original condition, could have chosen my words better.  I think altered might be a good choice as it is factual but does not make a judgment on the results.

I think "no longer under warranty" is the best description of the saw now!

 

[CrazyLarry]

EDIT: I like his videos, but when is mute  on, because  i dont understand his English.

Don't worry Bruno you've not missed much!!!

 

[Holmz]

Yep - modified seems to intend to make better or different, and destroyed seems a bit harsh as it still works.
So I am not sure what the proper verb or adverb would be.

Great point, I had not meant anything other than that it was altered from its original condition, could have chosen my words better.  I think altered might be a good choice as it is factual but does not make a judgment on the results.

I think "no longer under warranty" is the best description of the saw now!

It already runs.
I wonder how much it would cost to have FT "fix it"?

Or does "out of warranty" mean that they would not fix it even if one paid?

 

[Kev]

Yep - modified seems to intend to make better or different, and destroyed seems a bit harsh as it still works.
So I am not sure what the proper verb or adverb would be.

Great point, I had not meant anything other than that it was altered from its original condition, could have chosen my words better.  I think altered might be a good choice as it is factual but does not make a judgment on the results.

I think "no longer under warranty" is the best description of the saw now!

It already runs.
I wonder how much it would cost to have FT "fix it"?

Or does "out of warranty" mean that they would not fix it even if one paid?

My guess is the warranty conditions include a section about not dismantling the tool and as the serial number has been identified, the saw is effectively black listed for any warranty or liability claims. I'm not saying Festool service wouldn't accepted it for a "pay for" repair down the track.

There's also now an element of risk liability now. If an injury results from the use of this saw .. say the blade flies off and decapitates a person .. where would the responsibility fall? (from a lawyers at twenty paces perspective).

It's an interesting "post tear down" dilemma. Imagine if a tear down was done on a emergency defibrillator - would you trust it?

 

[#Tee]

Just comment on his video, i want to see you guys engage on a technical battle.  to much talking behind his back here imo.

 

[semenza]

The conversation could be directly engaged on UT.

Seth

 

[Cheese]

I really didn't want to get back into this fray however, my knee-jerk reaction is when a person butchers a product for the sake of a profit, they should have the dignity of just chalking up the loss to the price of doing business and then give the product a proper burial.
Give it to a scrapper and make his day, how about gifting it to Habitat for Humanity, they're are a lot of options out there that don't entail reselling damaged goods.

It doesn't need to be resold, because in this case, it's already earned it's original owner at least 10X the original value of the saw through web hits and donations.

I fully support Shane and am happy that he was able to record the serial number of the saw and hopefully prevent some one from purchasing a frankensaw.

 

[Shane Holland]

In all fairness to the guy, I have no proof that he intends to sell this tool.

My post was most precautionary so someone doesn't unwittingly think they're getting a good deal when it's really a tool that's been abused, for lack of a better word. It was a PSA of sorts. Just dislike the idea of someone getting duped and I know some folks go out of their way to get a "great deal" on Festool. Just looking out for fellow FOGgers.

Hopefully he will either sell with full disclosure of its history, keep the tool, or destroy it.

 

[Coliban]

Based on his assumptions, conclusions and statements, i do not think that this gentleman has a technical or an engineering background.

 

[ajones]

just has to be related to sarah palin

 

[Holmz]

... or destroy it.

Why would he destroy it?
That is like seeing an F1 car apart in the pits. People that know what they are doing can assemble and disassemble these all day long, and seeing one disassembled doesn't mean that it can not be a winner.

It is hard to believe the saw is good, if the party line is that it needs to be destroyed.  [scared]

 

[Kev]

... or destroy it.

Why would he destroy it?
That is like seeing an F1 car apart in the pits. People that know what they are doing can assemble and disassemble these all day long, and seeing one disassembled doesn't mean that it can not be a winner.

It is hard to believe the saw is good, if the party line is that it needs to be destroyed.  [scared]

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] Don't forget, it's not about reality .. it's about the potential for lawyers to make mountains of money if something goes wrong.

 

[Holmz]

... or destroy it.

Why would he destroy it?
That is like seeing an F1 car apart in the pits. People that know what they are doing can assemble and disassemble these all day long, and seeing one disassembled doesn't mean that it can not be a winner.

It is hard to believe the saw is good, if the party line is that it needs to be destroyed.  [scared]

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] Don't forget, it's not about reality .. it's about the potential for lawyers to make mountains of money if something goes wrong.

Yeah my mother told me there was evil in the world.