interesting video. A safe rip saw? (LOCKED)

[kosta]

The flying tablesaw?  [cool]

Looks like the saw slides on the bridge rail, adjusts to the thickness  of the wood  and eliminates kickbacks.

< Edited to remove video demonstrating unsafe use of a power tool - Shane Holland >

 

[Corwin]

This has to be one of the screwiest videos I've seen to date. Please, no more of these ezoned-out videos -- they're just too horrible to watch.

 

[Warrior]

???What the heck is the point of that  [scared]???

I think they should rename it the nonsensezone!

 

[ajones]

???What the heck is the point of that  [scared]???

I think they should rename it the nonsensezone!

If I need a piece of wood chewed up I will get the dog to do it [big grin] is this video part of a series so we are seeing only part of the storey?

 

[mattfc]

I love the way he puts his hand under the running saw in the beginning! Not to mention twisting the wood mid cut, you can hear the saw nearly jamming.

 

[justinmcf]

beautiful table saw.
modern innovation.
isn't it great!

i will take 2 thanks....

justin

 

[waho6o9]

Flirting with disaster, oops.  [eek]

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Sorry, guys.  I felt compelled to remove the video.  This is just not an example of something safe to do with a saw and I think, based on the comments, that we can all agree on that.  There's no practical reason you would shove a 2x4 into a spinning saw blade like that, especially repeatedly.

 

[kosta]

???What the heck is the point of that  [scared]???

I think they should rename it the nonsensezone!

If I need a piece of wood chewed up I will get the dog to do it [big grin] is this video part of a series so we are seeing only part of the storey?

I was ready to invest in a supersized setup ez-one powerbench or 16"-oo" of tracks.
I already own a hybrid ez-one/mft and works great but the only broblem was the length capacity.
James at the crazyzone told me to wait for a video and buy only a special base to do the long rips.

To me, the bottom line was $$$ and the safety of the system was a nice bonus.
Think about this for a moment or two. If this invention prevents kickbacks imagine how safe a simple cut can be???
I like to see more videos myself but the idea was to let people know that there is a better way instead of wasting money and digits.

Next week I have to cut 2000 lf of pressure treated 2x10s to 2" strips for fencing.
I can't think of a safer way to cut this type of lumber.
I asked the same questions at the .
I was wrong but after watching the video many times I'm happy that I was wrong.

 

[Warrior]

Kosta,
Are you for real? Because that jizmo has got to be the lamest tool invented yet. Preventing kickback is no problem on a regular tablesaw. $2 worth of wood to make a couple of featherboards and your set.

They say necessity is the mother of invention. If that's the case then your silly ripsaw is an orphan.

 

[AlexThePalex]

There's no practical reason you would shove a 2x4 into a spinning saw blade like that, especially repeatedly.

Except when you're an inventor and you're showing off the robustness and safety of your invention. Which worked marvelously I think because you can see there was no kickback no matter how he fooled around. This is just like that video of the sawstop where the inventor puts his own finger in the blade. That wasn't exactly demonstrating a safe use of tools either, wasn't it? Yet that video wasn't removed.

I sincerely doubt that people who saw the sawstop video are going to put their fingers in the blade to try it out. I also doubt that people who saw above video are going to feel compelled to try it out themselves. 

 

[Brice Burrell]

Alex I have to disagree with you here.  I can  shove a 2x4 into a tablesaw free hand (and I have) and not have the piece kickback as long as I've got a good hold of it.  Does that make it safe, no way.  By the looks of this tool there is nothing to prevent a kickback (other than the guy holding on tightly to the stock).  As for the Sawstop, it's proven itself to be a very safe and reliable product, the EZ product I'm not so sure it's safe.  

 

[kosta]

Alex I have to disagree with you here.  I can  shove a 2x4 into a tablesaw free hand (and I have) and not have the piece kickback as long as I've got a good hold of it.  Does that make it safe, no way.  By the looks of this tool there is nothing to prevent a kickback (other than the guy holding on tightly to the stock).  As for the Sawstop, it's proven itself to be a very safe and reliable product, the EZ product I'm not so sure it's safe.  

Brice. The guys at eurekazone must be crazy to invest their time in something that can take them down.

The base and positioning of the setup are very effective keeping the wood under control.

Before we  draw our guns...
Some people saw a brilliant design and others saw a stupid video that was requested by the EZ users.
Think of the possible savings  and safety benefits to the end user if the device really works.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Alex I have to disagree with you here.  I can  shove a 2x4 into a tablesaw free hand (and I have) and not have the piece kickback as long as I've got a good hold of it.  Does that make it safe, no way.  By the looks of this tool there is nothing to prevent a kickback (other than the guy holding on tightly to the stock).  As for the Sawstop, it's proven itself to be a very safe and reliable product, the EZ product I'm not so sure it's safe.  

Brice. The guys at eurekazone must be crazy to invest their time in something that can take them down.

The base and positioning of the setup are very effective keeping the wood under control.

Before we  draw our guns...
Some people saw a brilliant design and others saw a stupid video that was requested by the EZ users.
Think of the possible savings  and safety benefits to the end user if the device really works.

Kosta, you're right.  I replied too quickly and I didn't word my post very well at all.

.....As for the Sawstop, it's proven itself to be a very safe and reliable product, the EZ product I'm not so sure it's safe.

I should have said: "the EZ product, I'm not so sure it's as safe."  I don't know anything about this product, but what they showed in the video isn't a safe practice if for no other reason that one could damage the saw blade and that's never a good thing at 4500 RPMs.

 

[AlexThePalex]

but what they showed in the video isn't a safe practice if ....

Then why not take down the sawstop video? Or do you  consider putting your finger in safer?

I am just reacting to the willingness of people here to either censor content, or call for it to be censored. I have never seen any board with so much censorship as here. And I think it is a very bad practice. In the culture where I am coming from all this stuff would be allowed without question. We are allowed to learn from both the good and the bad and put the ultimate responsibility into our own hands, and not in someone else's.

 

[Brice Burrell]

but what they showed in the video isn't a safe practice if ....

Then why not take down the sawstop video? Or do you  consider putting your finger in safer?

I am just reacting to the willingness of people here to either censor content, or call for it to be censored. I have never seen any board with so much censorship as here. And I think it is a very bad practice. In the culture where I am coming from all this stuff would be allowed without question. We are allowed to learn from both the good and the bad and put the ultimate responsibility into our own hands, and not in someone else's.

The Sawstop video clearly shows putting your finger in the blade's path to be safe with their saw.  The Sawstop video is promoting a very cleverly built and now, proven safety system, so I see no reason to remove that video.  With the EZ saw system I didn't see any special safety device(s) that would make what they were showing to be a safe practice.  That's the difference between these two videos.

 

[bonesbr549]

Be carefull there!  I posted a video link to a jig someone had developed here (at the response to a request from someone) to turn a Ts55 into a TS in the mft3.  I did not realize that it had been determined it was unsafe (again sorry opps).  It got yanked and I got reminded of the rules via e-mail.  

I think we have to remember this is not a member run forum anymore.  It's owned by the company FESTOOL and they set the rules that we must abide by for the right to be here.   I'm sure it would be a different story if that were not the case (maybe not who knows and it does not matter now). I am sure that some lawyer somewhere would love to see it posted get used and someone get hurt and then sue Festool for the posting. The old deep pockets thing.   I mean you had a court rule that a guy who removed all the safety equipment from a portable saw use it in an unsafe way and get hurt liable. Why did they get held liable because they did not have a safety device similar to the sawstop.  Talk about a stretch   But anyway I'm sure there is a lawyer somewhere at festool being extra careful!    Really can't blame em in this letigious society.   Other than that its still a great source of information.

 

[fortrout]

Sawstop it would appear is not a direct competitor with Festool . while Eurekazone is selling a similar product, products. Would you want your competition
advertising on your companies web site or Forum?

 

[nickao]

We have been through this before when Matthew ran this forum.

Festool has lawyers and must know that in the US they or any forum owner for that matter is NOT responsible for any 3rd party posts period.

There is no reason to take down posts other than the forums owners own rules, they can not be sued for a third party post and if they are they will win that easily. Many forums just use that excuse to back up their own reason to remove posts, legally getting sued is not part of it.

I never read anyone here from Festool claiming they were removing the posts due to liability, probably because they know they are not liable.

According to sec 230 of the Communications decency act the owner of a message board(forum etc) is not liable for what a 3rd party posts.

I know this well even had a lawyer involved. The people running this forum are smart and never used liability as an excuse, just that the things they remove are part of the rules, which is fine.

I am done fighting what I think are unfair rules, that is another issue. But don't side with the forum based on wrong info, owners of a forum and web site are NOT liable for 3rd party posts, period. Letting the posts stay is not an affirmation that the forum owners agree with the posts and in the forums terms of service it probably says the posts do not reflect Festools views.

Removal of posts due to perceived safety issues is the administrators right, even if it is wrong.

It has been shown time and time again showing what NOT to do is just as effective as showing what to do.

As far as Eurekazone it is totally safe, I know I have used it hundreds of times and owned almost everything they sell or sold at one point. This forum has never wanted to get into that fight and 95% of the time deletes Eurekazone info, it always has.

When the SAW Stop first came out people said the guy was nuts. It was only recently acceptable after years of fights so to me  the theory that the Saw Stop was deemed safe does not hold water at all. The Saw Stop video is the same exact thing and is not being deleted. Some would say that even the Saw Stop is still to dangerous to do what the guy shows in his video and he even  says don't do it! Yet the Saw Stop video stays.

One can easily say "I saw this Video on the Festool forum and it showed a guy putting his finger in a table saw so I tried it. I didn't know all table saws did not have that", as his finger sits on the floor. Some idiot somewhere is going to do exactly the situation I just described. Now that seems to be the reason why certain things are deleted, so delete the saw stop video as it is the same idea or let the other links vids  remain. There is a double standard here and it is not because of Liability issues or saw Stops video would be gone from this forum based on the same rationale used to delete the link in question.

People here and the posters and readers need to take some responsibility and I think having the forum owners deciding what we are smart enough to read is an insult to many here that are complaining. We are not stupid and showing a vid or link of doing something wrong and deleting it just says the people running the forum think we are stupid and not smart enough to process the info as safe or unsafe.

 

[MarkF]

I just watched the banned video and I have to admit I don't get it.  Exactly what is the point?  If he was trying to show that keeping a guide between the board and the saw results in no kickback well duh.  The blade spins the board right into the guide.  If he was trying to get atttention and people talking about him...well I guess he's a master at that [huh]. 

"No such thing a bad publicity."