Is there will be brushless CXS?
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There is no indication that Festool will come up with a brushless version. They have had years to come up with a new design , but the most they have done is to come up with higher amp batteries.
I would not hold my breath for this. If you must have brushless go with a Milwaukee or a Bosch. But they are not as ergonomic.
I would not hold my breath for this. If you must have brushless go with a Milwaukee or a Bosch. But they are not as ergonomic.
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[member=74016]WAKA2020[/member] I've often wondered the same question. Personally I think that it has enough other redeeming qualities that still make it stand out in real world use. I picked up a 2nd one just a few weeks back. But I too would appreciate to see some more updates to the design (like the electronic torque control that is easily switched from drill to screw mode like the 18V drills have).
I think realistically, Festool are unlikely to invest in development of a new drill for the existing 10.8v battery platform. Were they to redesign the CXS, it would make more sense for them to create a whole new 10.8v battery and drill, but only if they planned to bring out a complete range of 10.8v tools. That would allow them to make a more flexible form-factor for the battery so it was suitable for a range of compact tool types.
Whether or not that is worth it would depend on the size of the market for sub-18v compact tools - and I don't really know if they're a big seller for other brands. I'm a big fan of the CXS, but with 18v tools and batteries getting smaller and lighter (without sacrificing power) I'm just not sure there's enough of a market for professional 10.8v tools anymore. And Festool doesn't seem interested in targeting the DIY market.
Whether or not that is worth it would depend on the size of the market for sub-18v compact tools - and I don't really know if they're a big seller for other brands. I'm a big fan of the CXS, but with 18v tools and batteries getting smaller and lighter (without sacrificing power) I'm just not sure there's enough of a market for professional 10.8v tools anymore. And Festool doesn't seem interested in targeting the DIY market.
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Spamdex, the smaller, lower voltage D/Ds are popular for installation work because of light weight and compact dimensions. I've seen plenty of the red and dark blue brand in use out there. My two CXS (I recently purchased a second) are my workhorses in my shop and for my own home improvement, too, because they are comfortable to use. I only use the larger/heavier tools when they are the best for the job at hand due to the extra power.
Sure, I can see the appeal - I have a CXS myself and love it. I’d also like Festool to bring out a range of 10.8v tools.
And I understand that some tradespeople will use 10.8v tools, but my suspicion is that the majority of sub-18v tools will sell to people who don’t use them for a living. So for brands that sell well to both pro and DIY markets, I can see why a 10.8v range makes sense. But for Festool, I’m less convinced.
As I said, I’d like them to do it, but I’m not expecting them to.
It’s not a question of “do people use them”, it’s more “do enough of your core customers use them to justify the investment”
And I understand that some tradespeople will use 10.8v tools, but my suspicion is that the majority of sub-18v tools will sell to people who don’t use them for a living. So for brands that sell well to both pro and DIY markets, I can see why a 10.8v range makes sense. But for Festool, I’m less convinced.
As I said, I’d like them to do it, but I’m not expecting them to.
It’s not a question of “do people use them”, it’s more “do enough of your core customers use them to justify the investment”
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The CXS is a specialty tool, although it can do some grunt work it’s not something you put a wire brush in and lean on for several minutes at a time, so the extra runtime generally afforded by brushless motors doesn’t add much to the primary feature set of the CXS. In fact, a brushless motor might detract since they are usually larger diameter than the the brushed motors they replace.
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Michael Kellough said:
Unfortunately for Festool, Milwaukee answered this question by coming out with there installers drill kit. It is a direct copy of the CXS, but brushless. Frankly, its an amazing drill with a huge platform behind it. Sorry Festool!
Now this, I don’t understand. There have been a few other interchangeable head, sub-compact 10.8v drill/drivers (from Milwaukee and others) over the years, but as soon as someone makes it with a ‘C’ style handle it suddenly becomes a CXS competitor?wood pulp said:
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As I’ve said before, I’d be more interested in them altering the batteries to fit the standard slide on chargers.
Got rid of my CXS because I couldn’t be bothered to take the whole systainer, as well as my 18v drills.
If all I needed was the drill and battery and could use my other chargers, it would travel with me a lot more, and I’d buy another in a heartbeat.
Got rid of my CXS because I couldn’t be bothered to take the whole systainer, as well as my 18v drills.
If all I needed was the drill and battery and could use my other chargers, it would travel with me a lot more, and I’d buy another in a heartbeat.
Yes, the different battery is probably the worst thing about it for me too.
And the main thing that’s really stops me looking at Bosch/Milwaukee/Metabo alternatives to the CXS is Centrotec. Not so much the bits, but the fact I can easily swap chucks between multiple drills as needed. If I have a non-centrotec drill bit in a jacobs chuck, I can easily move that from my CXS to my C18 or PDC without undoing the bit. And I can have a few centrotec chucks lying around with bits in and just grab the chuck I need and the nearest drill without thinking.
But, it really pains me to have a battery platform that only works in one tool... so I’d love Festool to make a whole range of 10.8v tools, even though I know they won’t.
And the main thing that’s really stops me looking at Bosch/Milwaukee/Metabo alternatives to the CXS is Centrotec. Not so much the bits, but the fact I can easily swap chucks between multiple drills as needed. If I have a non-centrotec drill bit in a jacobs chuck, I can easily move that from my CXS to my C18 or PDC without undoing the bit. And I can have a few centrotec chucks lying around with bits in and just grab the chuck I need and the nearest drill without thinking.
But, it really pains me to have a battery platform that only works in one tool... so I’d love Festool to make a whole range of 10.8v tools, even though I know they won’t.
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