Jessem roller stock guides ?

[Deansocial]

You can get them at rutlands on the uk now for £100, little bit steep in my opinion

It is, and that's the sale price too! Regular price is £120!!! Even taking shipping & VAT into account, that's a proper shafting. [eek]

I just went on the Jessem website to see if they ship to the UK, but they don't. [sad]

Well on the other had Jess-Em sells them for $99,95, add shipping, customs and UK VAT on that and 1:1 USD:UKP conversion isn't that bad? Apple sells everything with a flat 1:1 USD/Euro price and no-one complains...

I think it's piss poor that I can get it from USA for £83 inc delivery and taxes yet an hour down the rd it will cost me £102.90 delivered

 

[RC]

Mind letting me know where can I get them delivered free to EU/Finland from the US?

I tried @ Woodcraft and they happily quoted $25.99 for shipping for me... And add to that the local VAT (24%) that is calculated on the combined price of the item and shipping i.e. $124 (91€) which pushes the price up to 112€ and doesn't include any possible duties that might be levied on top of the VAT. Amazon quoted me a whopping $138 for shipping alone and listed the item @ $115 to start with.

So if Rutlands just had any stock they would be a bit pricier (£114 = 137€ incl. shipping) for me but MINUS the hassle of collecting the package from the customs @ the local airport (30min drive one way), having to pay the VAT & customs fees and wait an extra week or so for the customs to process the package, send me the letter about its arrival, haul my ass to their office to do the paperwork, etc.

 

[Deansocial]

That is woodcraft, using 55055 code from 10% discount. Our vat is 20% and for that item type falls below import duty. They would phone me for the vat payment and deliver to my door

 

[sgryd]

Yes, woodcraft gets expensive over seas. That's why I have had a basket lying around for ever. But I'm glad I got a push over the edge with the roller guides. At last I'll get my long awaited compression pattern bit.

Reiska, are you forced to pick up your package at the airport in Finland? I'll get it delivered to a nearby grocery shop when there is customs fees involved. Very convenient.

//Michael

 

[RC]

You can outsource the paperwork for extra €€€ and get delivery to your local post office (which aren't that local either due to the thinning of the postal service lately) or you can take care of it yourself and do the customs stuff at the local airports customs post-office. I've heard rumors that if the cargo papers are 100% simple you can do the customs stuff online already, but every time I've ordered something from the states I get called in anyway (usually they don't understand what duty category my stuff fits into)  [huh]
I was looking at a Wixey digital gauge for my planer at woodcraft and when I put that into the basket it happily doubled the postage! Go figure... Either their postage calculator is poor quality or their profits come from multiplying the postage costs per item for overseas customers...  [tongue]

[update]
Read the fine print at Woodcraft and they are typical Americans in apparently insuring the delivery for full value and with US insurance rip-offs that translates to about $50 shipping cost increase to every $100 of item value and it jumps in stages every $50 or so... So a Jessem roller + wixey 510 + a glu-bot bottle + three drawer slides would have had a sad $138 shipping cost because the item total was $223... No bonus Woodcraft  [scared]
When I order stuff from Germany I get DHL delivered & insured packets up to 100kg for 15€ regardless of the item value...  [blink] (yes I know the base cost should be cheaper since its intra-EU, but it doesn't scale with value at all, only weight/volume)

 

[sgryd]

That sucks. Seems a little easier to get the stuff to Sweden. But I always check if Axminster are carrying the thing I want to buy before looking over seas. Their shipping fees are really low and the shipping from UK to my door step usually takes 2-4 days. And there are no surprises such as customs/handling/extra duty/whatever they call the various costs when importing from outside of EU.

 

[RC]

Yes Michael, that is precisely the reason I order my stuff from Germany (cheaper for us in the €-zone due to expensive £ and compatible plugs in electrical appliances) or secondly from the UK if not available in Germany for a reasonable price (Amazon UK Free delivery covers Finland in some cases) to avoid the customs hassles. Only after these options are exhausted I'll look beyond the big pond  [wink]

 

[Tinker]

Curse you guys, just when I thought I was done buying things for a while and yas went and did to me...again...

DITTO  [doh] [dead horse]

After further review and serious thought, I have decided that even tho I ditto'ed jobsworth, I just can not afford those roller guides.
I really like the hold down guides supplied by Festool for my CMS.  It not only serves the purpose for which it was intended, it is a good place to hang my shop hat, my shop shirt and my earmuffs whenever I leave the area. Why would i want to get a different type of hold down, even with those fancy rollers attached?  [unsure]

Agh!  [eek] What am I saying? Since no sno is in forecast for tomorrow, I think it is imperative I take a ride down to my local toy (Woodcraft) store. I have not visited there for a long time.  :  If they don't have those roller guides in stock, Woodcraft indicates delivery by around 20th of the month.
Tinker

 

[kdzito]

Wow these are a game changer!  I am impressed and love the engineering used to create these. The results are phenomenal as they keep more than adequate downward pressure while pulling the board against the fence.

 

[Yukonal]

Lee Valley in Canada just listed these on their website this weekend. The price is $99 Canadian dollars. Their website is www.leevalley.com.
To find these on their site- under Woodworking (upper left side) select "What's New"
I live in Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada and have ordered many items from Lee Valley over the years and have had excellent service. I find their shipping rates to be very reasonable.

Cheers,
Alex

 

[greg mann]

Lee Valley in Canada just listed these on their website this weekend. The price is $99 Canadian dollars. Their website is www.leevalley.com.
To find these on their site- under Woodworking (upper left side) select "What's New"
I live in Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada and have ordered many items from Lee Valley over the years and have had excellent service. I find their shipping rates to be very reasonable.

Cheers,
Alex

Jessem and Lee Valley

Two Gold Medals for Canada!! [not worthy]

 

[Tinker]

I picked up a set from the toystore yesterday.
Went down this morning and set them up on my CMS.
The first thing I found out was:  Jess Em put the wrong sized allen key in the package.  [unsure]  I fooled them.  I have a drawer full of keys.

Once over that first little hurdle, it was an easy task to set into the T-slots on my CMS fence.
Once adjusted, the next discovery was even better than expected.  Once the rollers are set to the wood thickness, it is very easy to slide on thru.  Those rollers hold the wood in to the fence as expected.  At first, I just let the rollers drop down to the surface of the wood with no added pressure.  As I pushed thru the infeed rollers, I could, with some effort, pull the wood maybe 1/16th inch away from the fence.  Maybe less.  Once the wood was in full contact with both rollers, there was no pulling away.  I suppose if i put a pry bar in there, I could have, but the grip was far greater than I wood have had with the guides supplied with the CMS fence.  There was no possibility of any kick back.  Those rollers just won't allow.

I then reset the rollers with a little extra down pressure and pushed the wood thru as before.  With that slight down pressure as I set up, it was just about impossible to pull the wood away from the fence with only the infeed roller contacting.  It was still very easy to push the wood thru and past the infeed roller.  There seems to be no possibility to have any kickback against the rollers, even with only one of them set up.  One responder mentioned that his rollers actually lifted his fence off of the router table.  I am sure that if the fence is not fully securred, it will definitely lift up.  I CMS fence is well anchored.  I see no possibility of lifting as long as both hold down screws are properly tightened. I will investiget that possibility later when I actually do some routing.

The only drawback is with very narrow strips of wood being routed.  It is nearrly impossible to use a gripper push block.  I have to use a push stick.  That is ok.  I do that with the Festoy guards.  It is possible to raise the infeed roller above the wood and use the gripper until the wood has cleared the cutter.  I had picked up a new gripper pad with those dropdown dogs.  The little rubber suction cups have a grip like glue.  I think they will work great in combo with the Roller Stock Guides. For now, I was using a scrap of wood 3/4"x2-1/4 x 12".  I could actually use only about 1/2" of the side of the gripper.  I don't think I would be comfortable with my older griper that is smaller and just a flat rubber pad to grip the wood surface. 

I have, so far, only played around without actually feeding thru the actual spinning bit routing proceedure, but I am quite confident the procedure as described will work.  I am teaching my GS how to use some of the tools and machinery in the shop.  I was not comfortable with the amount of fiddeling required to set up the Festool CMS hold downs.  He has never worked around power saws (he has learned about safety from his dad, and me, while working around, and on, some very big and heavy excavating equipment from my little 17 hp Kubota tractor/loader up to his dad's humongeous Link Belt excavator (needs wide load signage and licensing to transport >>> it is big) .  Those toys are dangerous, but in different ways than running power saws and routers.  He is aware of safety issues.  I am not as concerned about his using the router table with these Rollers mounted.  I will know better after some dry-run time as with every toy I have allowed him on so far.  It will be a while before i have him running narrower wood than i did the dry runs with.  But that would be the case with any router set up.  I am impressed with the added safety with these rollers.
Tinker

 

[greg mann]

I picked up a set from the toystore yesterday.
Went down this morning and set them up on my CMS.
The first thing I found out was:  Jess Em put the wrong sized allen key in the package.  [unsure]  I fooled them.  I have a drawer full of keys.

Once over that first little hurdle, it was an easy task to set into the T-slots on my CMS fence.
Once adjusted, the next discovery was even better than expected.  Once the rollers are set to the wood thickness, it is very easy to slide on thru.  Those rollers hold the wood in to the fence as expected.  At first, I just let the rollers drop down to the surface of the wood with no added pressure.  As I pushed thru the infeed rollers, I could, with some effort, pull the wood maybe 1/16th inch away from the fence.  Maybe less.  Once the wood was in full contact with both rollers, there was no pulling away.  I suppose if i put a pry bar in there, I could have, but the grip was far greater than I wood have had with the guides supplied with the CMS fence.  There was no possibility of any kick back.  Those rollers just won't allow.

I then reset the rollers with a little extra down pressure and pushed the wood thru as before.  With that slight down pressure as I set up, it was just about impossible to pull the wood away from the fence with only the infeed roller contacting.  It was still very easy to push the wood thru and past the infeed roller.  There seems to be no possibility to have any kickback against the rollers, even with only one of them set up.  One responder mentioned that his rollers actually lifted his fence off of the router table.  I am sure that if the fence is not fully securred, it will definitely lift up.  I CMS fence is well anchored.  I see no possibility of lifting as long as both hold down screws are properly tightened. I will investiget that possibility later when I actually do some routing.

The only drawback is with very narrow strips of wood being routed.  It is nearrly impossible to use a gripper push block.  I have to use a push stick.  That is ok.  I do that with the Festoy guards.  It is possible to raise the infeed roller above the wood and use the gripper until the wood has cleared the cutter.  I had picked up a new gripper pad with those dropdown dogs.  The little rubber suction cups have a grip like glue.  I think they will work great in combo with the Roller Stock Guides. For now, I was using a scrap of wood 3/4"x2-1/4 x 12".  I could actually use only about 1/2" of the side of the gripper.  I don't think I would be comfortable with my older griper that is smaller and just a flat rubber pad to grip the wood surface. 

I have, so far, only played around without actually feeding thru the actual spinning bit routing proceedure, but I am quite confident the procedure as described will work.  I am teaching my GS how to use some of the tools and machinery in the shop.  I was not comfortable with the amount of fiddeling required to set up the Festool CMS hold downs.  He has never worked around power saws (he has learned about safety from his dad, and me, while working around, and on, some very big and heavy excavating equipment from my little 17 hp Kubota tractor/loader up to his dad's humongeous Link Belt excavator (needs wide load signage and licensing to transport >>> it is big) .  Those toys are dangerous, but in different ways than running power saws and routers.  He is aware of safety issues.  I am not as concerned about his using the router table with these Rollers mounted.  I will know better after some dry-run time as with every toy I have allowed him on so far.  It will be a while before i have him running narrower wood than i did the dry runs with.  But that would be the case with any router set up.  I am impressed with the added safety with these rollers.
Tinker

Here's to you, Wayne. I believe you had a different outlook about these a bit ago. Safety is a great consideration and it is clear to me you are not willing to expose the GS to risks you might accept for yourself. Something easily overlooked is that you can stop your routing and let the workpiece just wait while you re-position your hands for a safer presentation without fear of unintended consequences.

 

[Knight Woodworks]

Samo

I've got a baby feeder on my router table, works well.  Helps to keep the table waxed and the wheels clean.

Good luck with yours.

John

 

[Theshipstore]

Wayne  glad to read your thoughts on this, waiting for mine to arrive as we speak. I will keep your setup in mind once they get here.

Thank You
Sal

 

[Tinker]

Here's to you, Wayne. I believe you had a different outlook about these a bit ago. Safety is a great consideration and it is clear to me you are not willing to expose the GS to risks you might accept for yourself. Something easily overlooked is that you can stop your routing and let the workpiece just wait while you re-position your hands for a safer presentation without fear of unintended consequences.

Greg, It had been a wonderful experience teaching my son how to handle the tools of my mason trade and how to run heavy equipment. Also taught him how to use chainsaw (electric to start in on) for firewood and felling trees safely. He was able to drive my tractor/loader/backhoe as soon as he was strong enough.  I never told him he had to do any of that.  It was impossible to keep him away without some big arguements.  The stay away arguements did not come as I felt it more important to teach proper methods and to be safe.  That kind of work came natural to me.  As it turns out, it became more natural to him and i am proud.  There were always rules and he had to abide by them.  A few tears along the way when the rules were not followed and grounding was in practice.  David's toys are now much bigger.  My toys are getting smaller.

And now, i have the joy of working with my grandson.  The things I am teaching him about do not come so natural to me as the masonry and heavy equipment.  I have to think a little more and further ahead about what and how i am going to teach.  We get together once a week or less.  sometimes, it may go several weeks between "shop class". With my son, we lived 24/7/365 with my work.  He was not only taught, but he lived with it almost as daily as I.  With GS, i have to think more.  If i am not comfortable with a tool that can remove fingers, i have to think a little more ahead before i can let him try.  I need to think about my own procedural habits.  I am not totally comfortable with the CMS fence/hold downs set ups.  I am working on that, but it is not an everyday feature for me.  As time goes on, it may become the smoother system for me.  for now, I am more comfortable with the openness of the roller guides and the firmness of their grip.  They are closer to the old feather boards I have worked with for many years, going back to high school days.  Not only that, but if GS continues beyond my teaching, it is more likely he will come in contact with feather boards rather than the CMS type feather boards.  I will, eventually, if he shows a lot of interest, show him how to work with the CMS system as well. I think it is a good system. In many ways, a great system. It is just that I have to think more about how to use it.  The Stock rollers, not so much. They come closer to what i have used before.

No matter what, I expect him to be able to try everything i can do.  If he is not interested, atleast I will have tried to show him how to keep "all ten".  That is important.

Hey. my friend, when he really gets interested, I will introduce him to The FOG.  : Much better than some of his school mates get hooked on these days, I am certain.
Tinker

 

[Rob Z]

Hi Wayne

That's great that you're spending all this good time with your grandson and teaching him things the right way.  I have nice memories of working with my Grandfather on all the same kinds of projects and with the same tools .  I also did a lot of target shooting with him, carpentry and welding.  But my Grandfather was an "Old School" Midwesterner and there was never any thought of ear/eye/hearing protection, no masks, no hard hats, nothing. I can't be sure, but it's likely my tinnitus started even back then.  It's a miracle I didn't have any eye injuries. 

My son is almost 12 and 100% consumed with sports.  I hope his interests broaden a little and he wants to do some work with Dad.  I look forward to teaching all of the same things to him, but he will get his own set of PPE first thing.

 

[Rob Z]

Oh, and I forgot in  which thread I was posting !  I meant to say thanks to the OP for starting this.   Even though I've been spending money like a drunken sailor lately on tools, I think these Jessem guides are a must and will order them today.

 

[Theshipstore]

Arrived today and already being well used on a cabinets rails and stiles presently being built, work much better than I expected  [thumbs up]
 
Sal

 

[bkharman]

Oh, and I forgot in  which thread I was posting !  I meant to say thanks to the OP for starting this.   Even though I've been spending money like a drunken sailor lately on tools, I think these Jessem guides are a must and will order them today.

I can't recall if I was the first to post about these but they are part of my daily woodworking life. I know when I posted a few pics of them on the CMS fence as well as my Incra, they garnered a lot of interest.

They may not be for everyone, but they most definitely are for me!

Still love em.