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Sjur

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Hi!

I have a question: Should I get the bosch, festool or Mafell jigsaw?

First, let me tell you a little bit about me, because it is relevant to the question. It's going to be a bit rambly, because there's a lot of ground to cover.

I'm 18 years old, and I live with my grandmother. She had an unused garage, which I was allowed to make a workshop in. I work as a carpenter, but I also study in school at the same time. My ambitions are to study 5 more years in university to work as a civil engineer. I will leave for said university in 2 years.I will probably have to empty out the garage and sell my big stationary machines (Walker Turner radial drill press, Industrial dovetailer machine, DC, pedestrial bench grinder, Old german lathe and a minimax combination machine). I also have a collection of festool: Kapex, Rotex, Domino 500, TXS, CTL26 and TS55 that I plan to hold on to. My brother said he wanted to study with me, and we plan on perhaps buying an apartment together and taking a year to refurbish it to modern standards and living there as well as renting one out.

Last week I made a wooden porch and laid a flagstone terrace as well. I were originally not going to ask for any pay, but I told her the porch project would have gotten a whole lot easier if I had a jigsaw. (I ended up using a fein saw and hand saw for curves). She now asked me if I could make her a patio that transcends into a stair from the garden door. She told me I could get a jigsaw, because that would help me help her.

Now, I buy tools one time, and one time only. That's sort of my policy. I'm young, and I'm going to use my tools for a lot of upcoming projects. I'm planning on buying the Mafell KSS 400 and the festol OF 1010. I don't really like my TS55, and I haven't invested in the festool rails. After what I read, the mafell rails are vastly better than the festool rails. Therefore, I plan on selling the TS55 and buying the KSS400 instead.

Also, In Norway, many tool stores operate under high prices, and you get a discount depending on which firm you work in (how much they buy from them). I work in AF group, one of the largest construction company in Norway. The only festool dealer in Norway is Motek. AF purchases a lot from Motek, so I get 25% on tools, and 20-50% on accesories from Festool. Almost nobody gets this much discount in this store. Further, I recently bought the TXS set from them, but they currently have discounted price if you buy CSX set + the festool jigsaw. I can still send the TXS back and buy it back as the jigsaw set.

At the end of the day, I'm not the one paying for it. I would love to have the Mafell, but do I need a jigsaw of the quality of mafell's? I don't see myself cutting arcs through 4x4's.


Festool:
cons:
not the best
fiddly with adjustment
pro:
circle jig
easy to buy, also discounted
system
plug it
battery

bosch:
cons:
not the best
pro:
price
fits mafell rails (?)

mafell:
cons:
price
no battery option
pro:
best jigsaw on the market - blade change, cutting depth, ease of use, tilt base, DC, 
fits mafell rails

 
Sjur said:
Hi!

I have a question: Should I get the bosch, festool or Mafell jigsaw?
...

I have a biased view. I recently got a p1cc.
For rails it fit fits the Bosch rails, which are cheaper than the Mafell rails, and I use the Mafell connector.
There is also the Collins coping foot for it.

Your other plan might be to get a used jig saw if you do not use one much.
^That said^ I had one I could have used and did not care for it. I have never appreciated a jig saw until this one.  [embarassed]

Secondly the Bosch OFA 800 Kit is available in Europe bit NIANA and NIAIA (not available in Australia), but they ship from the Eu cheaply... And I am pretty sure that Norway is close by  [wink]
That includes a rail with holes, the router adapter, and a miter unit.
So I ink you could run a Bosch Track saw or Jig saw or Mafell units.

Yesterday I used the Mt55, P1cc, UBA 115 e and the router.
The Mt55 is lovely too as is the UVA 115e.
 
I have one con for the mafell that I forgot to list - it lacks the battery option, which the festool (and bosch?) has. I have a corded bosch at work, and that's a tool I find wishing had a battery on it instead of a cord all the time.

Does the router adapter to the OFA 800 kit fit the 1010 router?

I have been thinking of a finnish sander, namely the UVA 115e and the DTS 400. It's a future purchase though. I think I'm going to opt for the festool when that time comes - Motek is a 10 minute drive away - so I can easily get sandpaper if necessary. Feel free to challenge my view however.
 
The, p1cc is nice but it is also very expensive. I'm not going to try and stay you one way or the other I would advise you to try and get a demo of the machines you are interested in and then decide which you like.  For changing the ts55 for the kss400 is thier a specific tasks you have in mind. They are both completely different tools and I would use both for different tasks. Use the kss for general joinery and the TS 55 for laminated sheets etc. If working with mainly sheet goods then.the mt55 might be a better swap
 
I was given the TS 55 to me for free from a friend of my father that was retiring. It's noisy and I don't like it's balance. I won't work with laminated sheet goods that much either. Also, I have the minimax combination machine with a sliding table. I think the KSS 400 will do most of what I ask it to do - as well as sheet goods. It doesn't have a scoring function, but a sharp blade and some tape will suffice (unless I get a really big job where it's worth to invest in an additional saw).

I checked the price on the OFA 800 kit. its 200$ free shipped to me.

Also, doesn't the mafell jigsaw have a free 30 day trial, same as festool?
 
Get Mafell. It's the only choice you'll be happy with and is the best jigsaw. If you must by Festool consider the Trion as it does not suffer the deflection problem that the Carvex does.
 
Sjur said:
No, it doesn't need it though.

hehe  [cool]

Although I think you're wrong:

http://www.mafell.no/fileadmin/downloads/pdf/formular_30tagetest_nor_0612_erw.pdf

"Take the opportunity to test our innovative products for 30 days.
* If you are not satisfied with the machine within 30 days of purchase, you can return the machine in its original packaging with a copy of the invoice,
where you bought it. You will then be refunded the full purchase price.
"

I normally am, but that might be Norway only? Win win regardless.

Also, why not go for the MT55 instead of the KS400?
 
Hm. I'm not that read up on the MT55. I googled MT55 and got this: MT55 Looks like a versatile and functional beast of a machine. Although a bit heavy to carry around  [big grin]

What's the advantages with the MT55 over the KSS400 - other than the scoring function?
The rail system and plunge system to the KSS400 is convincing.

I don't think the offer is Norway only. I believe Netherlands also have it, but there may be many more countries as well.
 
Sjur said:
Hm. I'm not that read up on the MT55. I googled MT55 and got this: MT55 Looks like a versatile and functional beast of a machine. Although a bit heavy to carry around  [big grin]

What's the advantages with the MT55 over the KSS400 - other than the scoring function?
The rail system and plunge system to the KSS400 is convincing.

I don't think the offer is Norway only. I believe Netherlands also have it, but there may be many more countries as well.

The MT55 is more like the TS55 you are replacing, but more Maffely, I think the KSS400 is a different kind of thing altogether but it does depend on your usage of course.
 
I forgot to mention that the Bosch rail fits on the Festool MFT with a few nuts and bolts.
I got 3 of the 1600 Bosch rails and chopped one to 1050, and saved the extra bits for small hand held rail.
Last weekend I must have put two 1600 together a dozen times or more each day cutting sheets... So I used an old fold up table.
But the MFT is handy for the smaller stuff.
 
Point taken on the MFT table, but I don't have it, and I don't plan on getting it either. I'm making two timtool sysports and a shelf connecting them that my Kapex will sit on, and his MFTC as an outfeed/worktable as well as a mobile workbench.
 
Sjur said:
Point taken on the MFT table, but I don't have it, and I don't plan on getting it either. I'm making two timtool sysports and a shelf connecting them that my Kapex will sit on, and his MFTC as an outfeed/worktable as well as a mobile workbench.

^That^ is a good plan.
It is one I was tempted to go with of those and probably still will.

With the OFA kit one can also do the miters with the miter and a rail, rather than using the MFT fence... Then with the saw's lean you get compound angles.

I was all set to get the TS55 when I got the MFT, but after looking around the price I found that the MT55 was a cheaper option here, so I went with the cheaper option. Same with the Jigsaw  [unsure]
 
I asked for a quote for the machine after discount, and I this is what I was told, from one of the dealers:

Your price, before VAT and shipping from NYBRA MASKIN is:

M916516 KSS 400 with 1.6 rail and case      kr. 7.281,-

M917103 P1cc                                    kr. 4.428,-

M917401 UVA 115                        kr. 4.545,-

Regarding the 30 day test - we must unfortunately inform you that it is not relevant anymore.

--

4.428 is quite a lot. That's 670 USD after tax.
 
Sjur said:
I asked for a quote for the machine after discount, and I this is what I was told, from one of the dealers:

Your price, before VAT and shipping from NYBRA MASKIN is:

M916516 KSS 400 with 1.6 rail and case      kr. 7.281,-

M917103 P1cc                                    kr. 4.428,-

M917401 UVA 115                        kr. 4.545,-

Regarding the 30 day test - we must unfortunately inform you that it is not relevant anymore.

--

4.428 is quite a lot. That's 670 USD after tax.

That's almost what they cost in the US.
 
JimH2 said:
That's almost what they cost in the US.

More or less?

I spoke with a friend of mine which turns out owns a Mafell jigsaw and a KSS saw. He didn't know which KSS saw. I asked him if he needed it. He laughed at me and told me he'd never sell them. But he did tell me he had an account at the main mafell dealer which apparantely has a showroom where I can test the machines out. He knows the boss at the place, so he told me I can refer to him when I go there, and he thought I would be able to get a discounted price! Fingers crossed for that, going there tomorrow :)
 
I've never used the Festool or the Mafell.  I live in the U. S. and Bosch's are much less expensive.  I bought my barrel grip Bosch before I know of the other brands.  I think it is great.  I have no desire for a "better" jigsaw.  I've used it for a couple decades now.  I cut both wood and metal with it.  I have cut 3 1/2 thick pressure treated wood with it.  No problem.  I've cut steel up to 1/4 inch.  A little slow but no problem.  I also have the little aluminum table that you can clamp the jigsaw to and then clamp the table to a bench to create something like a scroll saw.  Works well.  I have the rip guide but I don't use it.

I'll be interested in your impressions after you try them.
 
JimD said:
I've never used the Festool or the Mafell.  I live in the U. S. and Bosch's are much less expensive.  I bought my barrel grip Bosch before I know of the other brands.  I think it is great.  I have no desire for a "better" jigsaw.  I've used it for a couple decades now.  I cut both wood and metal with it.  I have cut 3 1/2 thick pressure treated wood with it.  No problem.  I've cut steel up to 1/4 inch.  A little slow but no problem.  I also have the little aluminum table that you can clamp the jigsaw to and then clamp the table to a bench to create something like a scroll saw.  Works well.  I have the rip guide but I don't use it.

I'll be interested in your impressions after you try them.

Bosch invented the jigsaw, I bet they know a thing or two about 'em.  [wink] If it's lasted the past couple decades, cut straight and clean, you got a darn good tool. Don't let any forum banter convince you otherwise.

I just got this in the mail, I'm eager to try it out soon. If it's anything like their corded jigsaws, it should be a treat to use.

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