Kapex base frame (UG-KA-SET)

[MTS Power Tools]

Hello everyone just wanted to know if anyone has purchased a kapex with the new base frame? or the base frame seperatley. We currently have one on display in our shop and have got mixed reviews, wondering what everyone else thought!

 

[jmbfestool]

Well..............  Its much better than the OLD festool bench setup tell you that straight away.

Very good in a work shop works Brilliant.  Easily to store away to make room and easily set up again.

For site if the ground isn't to bumpy Then you can cart the chop saw around easily with no problem and you can carry everything in one trip and one hand spare to carry another power tool e.g a drill so Brilliant less trips more work!   BUT!!!!!!!   If its muddy and rocky and loads of steps then it works against you lots of trips. You can either struggle and carry the chop saw with the bench attached and have the arms extensions strapped to your back which I have done but its almost impossible to get through a door way carrying all that on your own OR you can do 2/3 trips

1. Carry Kapex Saw
2. Carry Stand (and Extensions)
3 Carry Extenstions
4.Get another Tool e.g. Drill

So from one trip with the same amount of kit you can end up doing 4 trips all depends on the site ground.

Also if the ground is really bad  the Stand struggles to be leveled up compared to other stands they normally only have 4 points of contact on the floor so you only have to place something under 1 leg to get it stable. The UG-KA-SET  has 6 points of contact and 2 of them are independent which means you have to support 3 ground contacts.  I know that the left and right extensions have adjustment by moving the legs in and out but its not alot and I know the base has got adjustment but again it isn't a lot.

So depending on your job it can work out brilliant but also can work out a pain in the bum.  Unfortunatly for me my work is very varied so sometimes works out well for me some times I wish i didnt buy it cant have everything.

Oh the left and right arm can be attached to the MFT table their same hight and that works well cutting large sheets with the TS55 but taking up hardly any room with a massive bench.

 

[MTS Power Tools]

Thank you for taking the time to reply its great to get an insight in the tools Im selling from an end user. i dont see this table flying off the shelves to the customers who work on site. but looks great set up permantly in a workshop. Thanks again Simon

 

[jmbfestool]

No I properly wouldn't recommend it for site. Properly recommend either the Milwaukee or Dewalt stand for site even though I hate Dewalt .

Like a lot of site carpenters they tend to be more like rough more like POWER you know what I mean so they always kinda look for something heavy duty! When I talk to them about Festool and other tools which can do this and that they are always like na stick with Dewalt or makita or something its like they cant see or understand dare I say it mite be because their kinda thick?!?

I still don't see a lot of true site carpenters in the UK with festool gear. All the carpenters I met on site with festool tend to be bit more like me as in they like making stuff as well so kinda got a bit of workshop joinery in them.

Maybe wrong but I know I have introduced LOADS of people to Festool a lot never even heard of it and some have but never seen it in action (TS55)

Fein Multi Master I sold it to 6 electricians and plumbers another tool alot of people haven't seen heard off.

The company I work for know me as Festool as out of 30 Employed people and 20 Contractors im the only one who owns festool gear so if they see anything festool they know its mine lol which is handy when I miss place a tool lol.

Happend the other day actually the forman said I found a festool blade in the office it must be yours I was like yeah it was sent of to be sharpened but I never got it back.

 

[speed]

i assumed it was for site use, ? with the wheels etc
i got my kapex a few week ago and i have been using some fold up plastic trestles with 2 6x2 8' timbers then some systainer 1s to support.

 

[jmbfestool]

i assumed it was for site use, ? with the wheels etc
i got my kapex a few week ago and i have been using some fold up plastic trestles with 2 6x2 8' timbers then some systainer 1s to support.

Yes so did I!  Its alot more site friendly than the previous Kapex bench setup I own both and its a much better setup than the previous.

Yeah I use systainer 1 as support sometimes for quickness but till I bought the UG-ka set. 

You can do the same with the UG-KA set  you can have the saw on a bench or floor and place the  left and right extensions on the floor just like the systainer 1 they are set at the same hight as the Kapex with out folding the legs out. There are holes for you to scew the left and right extensions onto the bench or into the floor if you wanted to lol

 

[-woodsman-]

i assumed it was for site use, ? with the wheels etc
i got my kapex a few week ago and i have been using some fold up plastic trestles with 2 6x2 8' timbers then some systainer 1s to support.

Yes so did I!  Its alot more site friendly than the previous Kapex bench setup I own both and its a much better setup than the previous.

Yeah I use systainer 1 as support sometimes for quickness but till I bought the UG-ka set. 

You can do the same with the UG-KA set  you can have the saw on a bench or floor and place the  left and right extensions on the floor just like the systainer 1 they are set at the same hight as the Kapex with out folding the legs out. There are holes for you to scew the left and right extensions onto the bench or into the floor if you wanted to lol

JMB I want one.  I think you just clinched if for me.  I am a site carpenter (sometimes) and this would be useful.  I typically come into a home and set up shop.  Sometimes I have to move shop frequently and quickly.  I'm in.

 

[jmbfestool]

Having use the UG Kapex for bit longer now.

I noticed you have to release the rear mitre angle and let the saw fall into place  let gravity take the kapex.

This is because many of time I have set my kapex up and notice the kapex was sitting at 6 degree angle and not 0 which how I left it.  This has happend 4 times and now I always let the kapex find place and then lock the kapex into that position this will be reduce alot of strain the kapex is under when transporting it.  The festool does get bounced around a little because of the hard wheels so even a twig makes the UG stand bounce around.

Ill do a video showing what I mean. I cant explain it properly lol.

Dont get me wrong the UG kapex setup is good I think the arms make it.

In a situation where you can not wheel the kapex around because your going up stairs or alot of stuff laying around you can lift and carry the Kapex and the UG stand together but it is little awkward going through a door way.  So you then have to remove the kapex from the stand which isn't a big deal really.

Would I by the UG- Kapex again properly yes would I say its the best stand and most convenient stand no.

It does take up less space in your Van than a standard stand because your kapex is inside the frame you it creates another space for something els.

Might sound like I dont like it but I do it is good but its not perfect.

JMB

 

[woodguy7]

Simon

Just out of curiosity, how much do you sell the new stand for, & i don't mean the RRP.  I know tools cant be discounted but i believe accessories can. 

Cheers, Woodguy.

P.S- Good to see a UK dealer posting.

 

[Deansocial]

No I properly wouldn't recommend it for site. Properly recommend either the Milwaukee or Dewalt stand for site even though I hate Dewalt .

Like a lot of site carpenters they tend to be more like rough more like POWER you know what I mean so they always kinda look for something heavy duty! When I talk to them about Festool and other tools which can do this and that they are always like na stick with Dewalt or makita or something its like they cant see or understand dare I say it mite be because their kinda thick?!?

I still don't see a lot of true site carpenters in the UK with festool gear. All the carpenters I met on site with festool tend to be bit more like me as in they like making stuff as well so kinda got a bit of workshop joinery in them.

Maybe wrong but I know I have introduced LOADS of people to Festool a lot never even heard of it and some have but never seen it in action (TS55)

Fein Multi Master I sold it to 6 electricians and plumbers another tool alot of people haven't seen heard off.

The company I work for know me as Festool as out of 30 Employed people and 20 Contractors im the only one who owns festool gear so if they see anything festool they know its mine lol which is handy when I miss place a tool lol.

Happend the other day actually the forman said I found a festool blade in the office it must be yours I was like yeah it was sent of to be sharpened but I never got it back.

thats rather narrow minded. there are plenty of workshop guys i hav seen out in the fields that cant do the work because they havent got a machine to do, site joiners adapt to what they have to do the job, hardy thick.

regards
a site joiner

 

[Chems]

Ahh MTS my local Festool dealer!

They have a nice little show of Festools in the shop, hands on T15 too.

 

[jmbfestool]

No I properly wouldn't recommend it for site. Properly recommend either the Milwaukee or Dewalt stand for site even though I hate Dewalt .

Like a lot of site carpenters they tend to be more like rough more like POWER you know what I mean so they always kinda look for something heavy duty! When I talk to them about Festool and other tools which can do this and that they are always like na stick with Dewalt or makita or something its like they cant see or understand dare I say it mite be because their kinda thick?!?

I still don't see a lot of true site carpenters in the UK with festool gear. All the carpenters I met on site with festool tend to be bit more like me as in they like making stuff as well so kinda got a bit of workshop joinery in them.

Maybe wrong but I know I have introduced LOADS of people to Festool a lot never even heard of it and some have but never seen it in action (TS55)

Fein Multi Master I sold it to 6 electricians and plumbers another tool alot of people haven't seen heard off.

The company I work for know me as Festool as out of 30 Employed people and 20 Contractors im the only one who owns festool gear so if they see anything festool they know its mine lol which is handy when I miss place a tool lol.

Happend the other day actually the forman said I found a festool blade in the office it must be yours I was like yeah it was sent of to be sharpened but I never got it back.

thats rather narrow minded. there are plenty of workshop guys i hav seen out in the fields that cant do the work because they havent got a machine to do, site joiners adapt to what they have to do the job, hardy thick.

regards
a site joiner

I am my self a site carpenter.  I wasnt saying that workshop joiners where cleverer than carpenters.

 No way!

I went into the workshop once had to help out and this bench joiner was making a round window thought ha hes good but then he gets his router out has a 12mm 40 mm long cutter in and marks a rebate about 30 mm in around the inside of the circle and starts to cut it free hand  [scared] what n idiot!  

No wonder when I fitted windows they didnt always match up to my template I sent back to the shop.  

He would push he router into the timber and bang it would fly across the wood making such a mess. Every one turns around to see what the noise was and then carry on.  

I was thinking some one needs to tell him what to do I couldnt because I only came in for one day if I start saying do this he be like who the ..... are you telling me what to do.

I had two ways of doing it in my head at the time and this is make a large MDF circle with a circle cut out the size you want to cut the rebate out at on the window. Clamp it to the window and use a scribe cutter.  Other option I thought (only because I wanted buy the VL MFT at the time and have a reason to use if for something so I could tell my self to buy one!  [embarassed]) is to make a jig for the round window and turn the window on the VL MFT3 but this does require the window the be round externally in the first place.

Any why after all that crap I just said lol All I was just trying to say is the site carpenters who dont see the potential in festool when I explain to them what it does and even show them how it works and they still cant see the benefits and just say its to expensive not worth it.  Thats when I say they might be a little bit thick. Thats what I ment. Sorry to offend you if you are a site carpenter?!?!?

My mates who are site carpenters used my TS 55 once and they both bought one straight away!!! now they know whats good or not.

JMB

JMB

 

[Deansocial]

i too have had 3 people buy a plunge saw after using my ts75, 1 of them bouught a dewalt the other 2 festool. I prefer the dewalt, i just like the way it feels and now he has bought the 18v version which i really like. But like them i dont see the benifit of other festool tools on site, do they make me more profit.. no do they make the job quicker... no do they and their accesories cost more... yes. its not being thick it all about profit.

I tried the kapex out and thought it cut slow, the rep said you get a better cut cutting slow, but i want to cut fast and slow and with my saw i can, it does the job i need to do. If i were fitting big mouldings and such i might consider it but would not buy  the stand, looks too much faff. i love my trion jigsaw but it doesnt cut any better than other brands. love my of1400 router but could have 2 routers for the price

 

[jmbfestool]

1. Yes but the Dewalt Copied the Festool so really your are buying a festool TS55 but in Dewalt. So you can not count them in the category I have made (thick)

2. I always showed people the TS55 and like I said they didnt see the benefit now to me thats thick?! Am I wrong. Are you saying its quiker to find a straight but of wood and screw it down using it as a guide?!?!? OR clamping.

3. Kapex cuts quick and smooth. What chop saw are you comparing it to?!?!  I own the Makite compound mitre saw and 2 of my mates have the Dewalt 12'' and the kapex cuts alot nicer they both said when cutting through the 5 inch skirting it felt like it was going through butter when through so easily. My mate who use to be a dewalt fan has now said if any of his tools stop working he will replace it with festool.

4. Other festool gear does save you time.  The T15 makes money lots of times I needed the offset chuck which saved me a lot of hassle and time screwing screws in right in a corner. The angle bit has made me do a better job and quicker with kitchen fitting because I was able to get in a really tight space to fix timber to make a more solid fixing and many other occasions.

5. Using a EHL65 with C22 has save me alot of time cleaning up but also carrying doors down and up down and up stairs because I was able to plane the door where I was hanging it because I was creating a lot of mess. Also planning MDF is a lot better for your health and for others on site around you.

So your saying the only thing festool makes which makes  profit is the TS55/75?!?!??!

JMB

 

[Deansocial]

i have the t15, yeah the angle attatchment is great, but other than that its like any other cordless i own exect the others havent been sent back to be repaired twice. I have the drywall chuck and its a waste of time for anything other than a patch job because the drill is far far too slow. I think the centrotec is great but i drill alot of compact lam and can break 4 drill bits a day and they dont drilll any quicker but cost more and last no longer so less profit

elh65 is a good planer but does it plane faster than any other.. nope. therefore does it make me more profit.. no. but i like the feel of it

i have the midi vac, its a hoover that turns on at the end of the day. the type of work i do i have to use a vac all the time so its great but i managed fine with a henry which was more powerful before.

i have the dw712 240v the kapex i tried was 110. might explain the lack of power. i also have to walk a longway with a chop saw on my jobs so unless theres alot to do i use the nobex which cuts just as good.

 

[mouppe]

i too have had 3 people buy a plunge saw after using my ts75, 1 of them bouught a dewalt the other 2 festool. I prefer the dewalt, i just like the way it feels and now he has bought the 18v version which i really like.

Dean,

I do not mean to be facetious but I am sure you could sell your used TS 75 for more than a new DW tracksaw. Amazon have the DW listed for $400. And the DW works on Festool rails so you could keep your rails.

Just an idea

Richard.

 

[Deansocial]

its hasnt got the cutting capacity i need