Kapex Table Question

Birdhunter

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I have convinced myself that I need a Kapex. The next decision is to get the Kapex specific MFT table or the roller stand. I like the idea of being able to easily move the Kapex around my shop or even outside, but I'm worried the roller stand won't be solid. I don't need the wings that come with the roller stand. 

Also, which dust collector do I need? i know the larger diameter hose is a good idea, but how big does the vac need to be. It will be dedicated to the Kapex.

Suggestions?
 
My "perfect" Kapex table is on the drawing board. Frankly, it's been sitting there for a while. One day I will build it. The frame is welded steel. When the saw is swiveled down the empty table is 900 mm high to match my MFT/3. I've measured the center of mass of my Kapex. With some couterweights inside the swiveling part I'll be able to get the swiveling action completely in balance.

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Birdhunter said:
I have convinced myself that I need a Kapex. The next decision is to get the Kapex specific MFT table or the roller stand. I like the idea of being able to easily move the Kapex around my shop or even outside, but I'm worried the roller stand won't be solid. I don't need the wings that come with the roller stand. 

Also, which dust collector do I need? i know the larger diameter hose is a good idea, but how big does the vac need to be. It will be dedicated to the Kapex.

Suggestions?

Birdhunter and others, there have been a whole lot of threads asking which Festool support is best with Kapex. As nearly every answer says, it all depends on what you do with Kapex and how often you move Kapex.

As I have shared before, when I pre-ordered my first Kapex months before they could be sold in the USA, I also ordered the MFT/3 Kapex designed so when the Kapex is on top, the in and out feeds of the Kapex are the same height off the floor as the tops of the other MFT/3. I am sure that would be perfect for some folks.

However, back then I rented space in various shops on a project by project basis. I never liked the MFT/3 Kapex. Once I bought the building in late 2009 which is now my custom cabinet shop, I designed two very long miter saw benches to run along the east and west walls. A Kepex would be permanently bolted to each of those benches, which would have conventional miter saw shrouds behind the Kapex in addition to the dust extraction through the port.

At the same time I designed and built two roving Kapex bases which also render the in and out feeds of the Kapex on them the same height as the MFT/3, which I have adopted as my standard work table height. My roving stands are wider than the MFT/3 Kapex.

As I recall the UG stand did not become available in the USA until I had either opened my shop in 2010 or while it was being outfitted. I bought another Kapex with an UG stand for use by installers in customers' premises.

All of us agree the UG stand is marvelous. I have used those more or less fixed in place during Festool classes in Henderson, NV. I suspect that if I were to start from scratch making roving stands for use within a shop with enough space and a fairly level and smooth floor I could save some money buying the UG instead of having my designed fabricated in a metal working shop.

As for the Festool dust extractor, remember the Kapex produces virtually no chips and in most cases it does not produce a whole lot of sawdust. One of our permanently mounted Kapex is used all day by our frame/door/drawer front department. When it was dedicated to a CT22, we seldom needed to change bags more than once a month or three weeks.

To be sure, in a less than production shop chances are a Mini or Midi would be all you need for your Kapex. You will find a short 36mm hose is more effective than a full-length 3.5m hose. All the current Festool dust extractors move the same volume of air and have HEPA filters. An advantage of the Mini and Midi is that the 36mm hose connects from the top, through the hose garage. That actually is more effective with the Kapex than larger CT with the connection in front. Below a Kapex even with a Midi there is no room for a Systainer, and with a 36mm hose they will not fit on the Midi, so it all works out. Coming down from the top eliminates a potential hose kink and improves dust flow.
 
I agree with above ... it's all about hose diameter (unobstructed) and any of the Festool CT's will service the KAPEX well. Also remember that a long hose will reduce performance, so keeping it to the shortest sensible/practical length is best.

The UG cart doesn't "seem" solid - but remember you are cutting with the blade relative to the KAPEX fence - that's the part that needs to be solid (and is). I have the UG cart and wings and would go any other way.
 
I bought the UG stand and extensions. I have limited space  in my shop which necessitates moving the saw about very frequently. Therefore I designed and constructed a castor system with cantilevers which allow the UG stand to be level with the extensions. Furthermore I made a mounting plate or shelf which has a CT-MIDI on it for dedicated dust extraction for the KAPEX. I am extremely pleased with this setup as it provides mobility for the KAPEX and its very own dust extractor.
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View showing the KAPEX on its UG stand with castor setup.
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View showing the CT-MIDI on its shelf.
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View of the castor plate. Note that the  design of this plate requires no holes drilled or other modifications to the factory UG stand.
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View of the shelf before the CT-MIDI is placed on it.

This is space saving at its best. The saw is stable, easy to move and can be refitted in minutes to normal UG status for field work!
 
I have the Kapex MFT, it was a better choice for my use. I have had the chance to use a Kapex for a couple cuts on the UG stand. I would say that as far as stability goes. The UG stand has less wiggle than the table. Not that it is really a problem on the table.

Seth
 
I have the Kapex MFT and it was the best for my use too.  I rarely need to move my Kapex around and so having wheels was not that big of a deal for me.  I find the Kapex MFT useful for so many things other than a Kapex stand and it extends the usefulness to me.  I have mine paired up with the UG stands and it is a great set-up that breaks down easily.  I have used the UG stand at Festool training and it works good too.  Any of the Festool extractors will work for you but I would opt for a CT26 or larger for the added capacity and ability to add other accessories such as a Boom Arm or Work Center at some point. 

Scot
 
I have worked with a friends UG and extension wings and thought it was great, though i am trying to see if i can build something better for my needs (i only take mine out of the shop a couple times a year, i don't see myself investing in the whole UG set)

As for the vac, a 27mm hose works relatively bad and collects around 50-60%, the 36mm hose works far better and gets something like 90%. Any of the current vacs have about the same suction power, in my shop i have a dedicated mini under it. It takes weeks to fill it with the kapex, and the saw dust is fine (not dangerously fine like sanding dust) so you can just empty the bag and reuse it as much as you like. These new bags are really solid.
 
Birdhunter said:
I have convinced myself that I need a Kapex.

You're a wise wise man...This is a decision you will only regret until it's paid for.

Honestly, I still can't believe I spent this much on a miter saw, but boy do I love the Kapex midi combination.

I will say the larger diameter hose makes a slight improvement over the 27mm. I shortened mine to about 5.5 feet. One thing that still aggravates me about this saw is how much dust is thrown to the front of the saw miter gauge. Must be deflecting off the dust shroud, not sure. But overall that a minor concern, the saw is damn near perfect so far. Longevity and durability are the only question marks and that will be answered over time.
 
I ordered the Kapex/Midi package with the 3 foot 36mm hose and roller stand. Store closed Tuesday so will pick up the tool Wednesday.

Thanks for all the advice.
 
Birdhunter said:
I ordered the Kapex/Midi package with the 3 foot 36mm hose and roller stand. Store closed Tuesday so will pick up the tool Wednesday.

Thanks for all the advice.

Lucky you!! Congrats! You got the UG stand? And how did you get the hose in such a small amount?

You will love this set up!
 
Have not gotten the hose or the Kapex yet. Will see it Wednesday. The 3' hose is what the salesman told me he had. Could be he confused the 36mm diameter with a 36 inch (3 feet) length.
 
If the vac will be on the floor, 3' seems a little short to me. I ended up at  about 5' in order for it too reach at both full miter angles with the saw pulled all the way to the front.  Guess you will see what  was sent shortly.  One of the standard hose  lengths is 3.5 meters, maybe  the salesman was mixing that up and just said 3' ??

Seth
 
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