Kreg Adaptive Cut System

[Steven Owen]

A quick update for those asking about rail compatibility with the Kreg table. Apologies for the delay testing this out.

We have tested this table with Festool, Makita and Triton guide rails. The rails will mount to the brackets on the table using the T-slot on the bottom of the rail. Please note that you will need a minimum guide rail length of 62" for mounting on the long side of the table, or 32" for the short side of the table.

See attached photo to see how the brackets attach to guide rails. Note that with non-Kreg rails, the bracket does extend past the edge of the rail opposite the blade. This does not interfere with the cut in any way.

Shane

Festool would be the easiest to use since you have shorter guide rails and a 72 guide rail that could be used.  Can the Kreg parallel guides work with the Festool rails?

 

[Shane Holland]

Festool would be the easiest to use since you have shorter guide rails and a 72 guide rail that could be used.  Can the Kreg parallel guides work with the Festool rails?

[member=66154]Steven Owen[/member], yes, however I'd like to make it clear that these are made of plastic and not of the same quality as other options.

 

[Steven Owen]

Festool would be the easiest to use since you have shorter guide rails and a 72 guide rail that could be used.  Can the Kreg parallel guides work with the Festool rails?

[member=66154]Steven Owen[/member], yes, however I'd like to make it clear that these are made of plastic and not of the same quality as other options.

The other options require 20 mm dogs to work.  Kreg chose to go with 3/4 inch dogs.  Most people will still be better off spending the extra money to buy a Festool MTF for Makita and Festool track saws. 

The Kreg table come off as a better option for enthusiasts who don’t want to invest a huge amount of money into an MTF from Festool.

 

[Svar]

Chris Salomone just posted on his channel using Kreg Adaptive Cut System on a project. Not many details regarding KACS, but some closeup shots of it.

 

[Steven Owen]

Chris Salomone just posted on his channel using Kreg Adaptive Cut System on a project. Not many details regarding KACS, but some closeup shots of it.

Chris is a pretty talented guy.  There does appear to be some tear out on the walnut plywood in one of the shots.  I’m not a huge fan of the number of plastic parts.  I would’ve pereferd to see more aluminium on things like the miter gage. 

 

[Kafarn]

I got the Kreg table and legs, love it, very solid and love the extra size over the MFT - I felt the same way about the plastic miter gauge and adjustable stops - however I,m using a Festool TS 55R on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it) - then for a mister gauge I am using the aluminum/steel Festool 491588, Angle Unit - works perfect and way better than the plastic Kreg miter gauge (and a lot more $$ too). Milling new aluminum stops on my CNC

 

[mlindholm]

however I'm using a Festool TS 55R on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it)

Not to rub salt in the wound, but I'm curious...the FS 1900 was compatible as-is, it simply hung off the table edge by the additional 13 inches, right?  Or a combination of the near and far ends, totaling 13 inches longer.

I saw this system at my local Acme Tools last night.  Looked like a nice alternative system for those who can't fathom swallowing the cost of a TS55 and MFT.  Whether it truly compares or not is another question, but having more options isn't a bad thing.  I wonder if we'll be seeing this show up at Lowes anytime soon...they've already got several Kreg table and dog options.

 

[Steven Owen]

I got the Kreg table and legs, love it, very solid and love the extra size over the MFT - I felt the same way about the plastic miter gauge and adjustable stops - however I,m using a Festool TS 55R on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it) - then for a mister gauge I am using the aluminum/steel Festool 491588, Angle Unit - works perfect and way better than the plastic Kreg miter gauge (and a lot more $$ too). Milling new aluminum stops on my CNC

Kreg did a great job on the table.  It’s very puzzling why Kreg decided not to use the 20 mm standard for the PARF holes to maximize compatibility with a large number of accessories. 

 

[Bob D.]

I got the Kreg table and legs, love it, very solid and love the extra size over the MFT - I felt the same way about the plastic miter gauge and adjustable stops - however I,m using a Festool TS 55R on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it) - then for a mister gauge I am using the aluminum/steel Festool 491588, Angle Unit - works perfect and way better than the plastic Kreg miter gauge (and a lot more $$ too). Milling new aluminum stops on my CNC

Kreg did a great job on the table.  It’s very puzzling why Kreg decided not to use the 20 mm standard for the PARF holes to maximize compatibility with a large number of accessories.

Because they want you to buy their large number of 3/4" accessories not someone else's.

 

[Steven Owen]

I got the Kreg table and legs, love it, very solid and love the extra size over the MFT - I felt the same way about the plastic miter gauge and adjustable stops - however I,m using a Festool TS 55R on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it) - then for a mister gauge I am using the aluminum/steel Festool 491588, Angle Unit - works perfect and way better than the plastic Kreg miter gauge (and a lot more $$ too). Milling new aluminum stops on my CNC

Kreg did a great job on the table.  It’s very puzzling why Kreg decided not to use the 20 mm standard for the PARF holes to maximize compatibility with a large number of accessories.

Because they want you to buy their large number of 3/4" accessories not someone else's.

Accept the quality of some of their accessories for 3/4 inch dogs are passable at best.  Maybe the folks at Woodpeckers, Axminister and other companies will come up with superior accessories on the 3/4 inch standard. 

Kreg will likely have a larger number of home shop users than Festool.  Their will be money to be made for third parties to offer alternatives.

I’d probably use the Makita cordless track saw and a Festool 75 inch rail on the table.  I would never buy Kreg’s Track Grizzly rebranded Plunge saw.

 

[Bob D.]

"Accept [Except?] the quality of some of their accessories for 3/4 inch dogs are passable at best"

May be but the quality (or lack of) doesn't change my point, they want you to buy their accessories and making them different (3/4" vice 20mm) takes all those better quality dogs out of the running and leaves their 3/4" dogs and such as your only choice (or one of very few).

 

[Steven Owen]

"Accept [Except?] the quality of some of their accessories for 3/4 inch dogs are passable at best"

May be but the quality (or lack of) doesn't change my point, they want you to buy their accessories and making them different (3/4" vice 20mm) takes all those better quality dogs out of the running and leaves their 3/4" dogs and such as your only choice (or one of very few).

This is big turn-off with Kreg’s Adaptive cut system.  It would have been more attractive if it was built on an open system. 

 

[Kafarn]

I asked the following questions before this system was publicly announced and here are the replies from Kreg:

Q: Is your guide rail (track) compatible with other brands of track saws?
A: No, the 62” Guide Track is designed for use with the Kreg Plunge Saw.

Q: Are the accessories, like the parallel guides and rip guides, compatible with other brands’ guide rails?
A: Kreg has designed these accessories for primary use with the Kreg 62” Guide Track and Kreg Plunge Saw.

Q: Can other brands of guide rails be attached to the project table?
A: No, the Project Table is designed for use with the Kreg 62” Guide Track and Kreg Plunge Saw

Q: What’s the diameter of the holes in the table, ¾” or 20mm?
A: The diameter of the holes in the table are ¾”

I asked Doug to check the demo unit when the rep came to the store. He said that you cannot use another brand's saw on the Kreg track because, as I recall, it would cut the track because it's wider than tracks from Festool, Makita, etc. Also, as I recall, you cannot attach another brands rail to the table with the stock brackets from Kreg. Doug is on vacation currently, so I cannot verify my memory of the compatibility.

Shane

I got the Kreg table and legs, love it, very solid and love the extra size over the MFT - I felt the same way about the plastic miter gauge and adjustable stops - however I’m using a Festool TS 55 REQ on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it, but needed it shorter for mobility w/ the table) - then for a miter gauge I am using the aluminum/steel Festool 491588, Angle Unit - works perfect and way better than the plastic Kreg miter gauge (and a lot more $$ too). Milling new aluminum stops on my CNC

 

[txbonds]

I’m late to this party but couldn’t the dog holes be reamed out slightly to 20MM?  Seems like it would be easy enough to do in an mdf sacrificial top or am I missing something?

 

[rljatl]

I think Lee Valley has 3/4" dogs.

 

[gilbreathprinciple]

I got the Kreg table and legs, love it, very solid and love the extra size over the MFT - I felt the same way about the plastic miter gauge and adjustable stops - however I,m using a Festool TS 55R on a cut down 75” track (yep, it hurt to cut it) - then for a mister gauge I am using the aluminum/steel Festool 491588, Angle Unit - works perfect and way better than the plastic Kreg miter gauge (and a lot more $$ too). Milling new aluminum stops on my CNC

The Festool Angle unit will slide into the kreg table tracks? What about the hinge/brackets from festool, would they work on the Kreg table? I like the fact that you can swing the track out of the way. With Kreg, it seems you need to move the track entirely if you need it out of the way.

 

[Imemiter]

I was looking for an MFT3 and saw one of these Kregs. The part that impressed me the most were the legs. They have a larger overall footprint than the MFT, almost four inches of height adjustment, diagonal brackets included, and sturdy wheeled storage assembly. The rest of the table didn't really do anything for me and the side rails wouldn't fit Festool clamps, so I bought the legs and bolted them onto a 55x34 piece of leftover MDO. Today I'm putting together an order of 8020 for the side rails and trying to choose between dog hole drilling methods.

Advice for anyone buying the legs separately: Take some measurements off an assembled table as the pdf instructions have no dimensions. That, or be prepared for a little head-scratching. 

 

[Michael Kellough]

I was looking for an MFT3 and saw one of these Kregs. The part that impressed me the most were the legs. They have a larger overall footprint than the MFT, almost four inches of height adjustment, diagonal brackets included, and sturdy wheeled storage assembly. The rest of the table didn't really do anything for me and the side rails wouldn't fit Festool clamps, so I bought the legs and bolted them onto a 55x34 piece of leftover MDO. Today I'm putting together an order of 8020 for the side rails and trying to choose between dog hole drilling methods.

Advice for anyone buying the legs separately: Take some measurements off an assembled table as the pdf instructions have no dimensions. That, or be prepared for a little head-scratching.

[member=71322]Imemiter[/member] thanks for posting this warning but since you’re already done the head scratching and figured out what to do, how about posting your findings?

 

[Imemiter]

[member=71322]Imemiter[/member] thanks for posting this warning but since you’re already done the head scratching and figured out what to do, how about posting your findings?

It was one of those things where I spent more time looking for dimensions than it took to figure it out. But the distance between the top bar of the leg frame and the uppermost pivot on the diagonal brace is best determined by folding the legs flat. Any longer or shorter and the assembly wouldn't fold. That was a huge duh on my part.

The top bar of the right side set of legs (with the hand truck handles) can go any distance from the tables edge, but the wheel side top bar needs to be set 3" from the inside of the edge rail. Though I'm waiting to install the wheels until I get the 8020 installed.

Depending on how much the whole thing weighs I may never install the wheels. This is going to be my shop center/outfeed table. It occurred to me that if the Kreg top and accessories were as nicely built as the legs, I'd probably have bought the whole thing. But here again, the dog sizes and side rail t-slot weren't going to work with my stuff and I'm already all stocked up on Makita rail. That said, I'm loving these legs!

 

[Ahmet Cemiloglu]

First time posting, sorry for bumping up an old thread, but I thought it needed a closure.

1. Cut 118" Makita Guide Rail
I actually cut a 55-1/4" piece off to match my 55" Makita track's length. They can be attached to cut sheet material. Remaining piece is slighty longer than Kreg’s 62", and it’s OK.

If you own a Festool 75" Guide Rail, you don't really need to cut it. You can use it as it is if you don't mind the track sticking out from the sides. You'll simply ignore 2-1/4" distance suggestion during installation of the left side hinge, and stick it out long enough to allow wheeled transportation. The 75" rail would stick out quite a bit on the right side, so it's a face and body hazard. Better remove the track to transport the table.

2. Drill New 1/4" Holes to Hinges
This is a cosmetic fix. I don't see anyone here not doing it though. This helps flush fit the side flanges to the edge of the track so they don't stick out. The flanges are not mirrored during installation, they fold towards the same direction, so drill the holes exactly on the same location on both. 1/4" bit size centered 2.250" x 0.300" from the edges for Makita track. Festool owners need to do their own simple math.

3. Extend Notches for Additional Side Plate Adjustment
This allows Makita saw to cut exactly on the same location as the Kreg saw. There are two slots for the Kreg bench dogs between you and the track, they are used to square the track quickly for repeatable re-installation should you remove it for whatever reason.

That's it!

If you don't own a plunge saw, seriously consider the Kreg saw for the ACS table. It was out of stock nationwide for weeks, so I bought the Makita saw. Kreg saw lacks the motor technology and the quality in comparison, but it's feature packed, more so than the Makita XPS01Z. It's passive dust collection is shamelessly better than my track saw and CT MIDI combined.