KS60 - We pay more to cover a design error.

[Svar]

Wonder why they chose to hang the motor to the left on the 60 when on the 120 it's to the right?

KS120 is gear drive, rotor is 90 deg to the arbor. KS60 is belt drive, rotor is parallel to the arbor.
OK, that still does not explain why.

 

[Svar]

When the 120 can use a SYS1 as a material rest and marketing touts it as a feature  -but- your new saw doesn't unless some feet are purchased .  Well , call me cynical , but to me that's being disengenious to your customers -or- the project manager totally missed the boat during the design phase.  And please don't tell me it wasn't made taller to save weight.  A first year engineer could figure out the dilemma in short order.

Is there no value in having the table as low as possible? Could that be a preference of floor installers? I'd rather have it this way with the ability to raise to the hight of my choice, than have it cast high with no ability to lower it. Just a food for thought.
Of course some kind of pull up/flip up feet stored on board would be a sensible solution. But frankly, matching a systainer is my #143 on the list of what I want from a SCMS.

 

[pingvinlakrits]

I'm a bit baffled by some comments in this thread, who the heck here is going to buy the basic version with no feet, laser or angle finder?
Nobody, end of discussion. They have to artificially blow up the price of these elements to make a big enough value difference between the basic and set version. Just like the KS120 and 88.

There is a very substantial difference in weight and size between the 120 and 60, giving the 60 the giant base of the 120 just so it would fit on the UG or be as high as a systainer is just plain stupid if you ask me. That would off put way more potential buyers.

Here you have a very decent medium miter saw at a rather affordable price (in Europe at least), and some start complaining about features no other saw of this type has any way. At least Festool made adapters, so really where is the problem?

I am a bit baffled by your posting. In this thread you get a few potential customer (some professional user) thoughts on the machine, execution of concept, pricing, compatibility and weight. The verdict is that it isn't all that impressive.
Good, yes, but not impressive. As for the european pricing I am not sure of that - the dealers over here think it is way too expensive and apparently most clients too (as told by Swedens top seller of Festool equipment). Festool pricing is better over here but so is much of the competition too. Still it does sell well as Festool users are fairly brand loyal and often get the product despite price/performance.  Just look at ME [big grin].

Still, I think the saw is a little too heavy for such a small blade size and cut capacity. It matters squat to me that it is smaller/lighter than the 120. Should it be compared to its larger sibling or to the competition for that blade size?

I think Festool worked a little against their principles on this one (compatibility, agility, cut size, weight etc) which led to a slight compromise. This saw is no "game changer" in any way. It is not innovative either as the blade shadow has been made long ago by DeWalt (XPS Shadow line cut indicator). Festool KS60 is "bettered" in terms of innovation (blade cut indicator has been done before), weight (lighter saws with same and better capacity already exist), cut capacity is lower than smaller and lighter saws and cost; it is one of the most, if not THE most expensive saw in its class. Is it the best in class? I don't know. Define "best". It isn't the most capable, nor the most portable. 

We'll see if this saw is a keeper  - once acquired and used I don't ponder the initial cost but if performance/handling isn'better than my old Makita it will have to go. I think the build quality seems excellent though. 

EDITED POOR GRAMMAR AND INCOMPLETE SENTENCES - HARD TO WRITE WITH A PUPPY IN THE LAP AND A CAT WALKING OVER THE KEYBOARD...

 

[Timtool]

The problem Tim is that Festool is held to a higher standard.  Much of it is because of their pricing, but some is due to their own marketing. 

Being lighter than their other saw is nice , but when you say it's a light saw I'm your marketing and it's not lighter than competitors - that's a legitimate complaint to me.

When the 120 can use a SYS1 as a material rest and marketing touts it as a feature  -but- your new saw doesn't unless some feet are purchased .  Well , call me cynical , but to me that's being disengenious to your customers -or- the project manager totally missed the boat during the design phase.  And please don't tell me it wasn't made taller to save weight.  A first year engineer could figure out the dilemma in short order.

The real issue is that on one hand FT claims to be better and more highly designed than X brand , but then seemingly has to have band aids for some of their product that customers identify right away.  I've asked this before , but don't you guys beta test this stuff before production?  And if so, with who?

But again, the laser, height blocks and angle finder are all comprised in the set version, which is the standard version 99,9% of the people will buy, I have never seen a KS88 in my life, I think they even don't sell that in the US and chances are they will only offer the KS60 set in the US as well.

The only practical reason one would buy a KS60 over KS120 is reduced size and weight, it does just that. I was planning on eventually incorporating a KS60 in a wall rack, the reduced height is a bonus in my situation and if I need it to be as tall as my KS120 then I can just install the blocks that are supplied. That is a non-issue for me as I am just glad they offer the possibility to get this saw in a tighter space.

The let down for me would be that this saw was supposed to show how the future KS120 might be like, and it turns out the KS60 doesn't really offer any substantial improvements on a 10 year old design which makes me believe they have nothing in store for a new KS120.

 

[pingvinlakrits]

TimTools wrote:

"The let down for me would be that this saw was supposed to show how the future KS120 might be like, and it turns out the KS60 doesn't really offer any substantial improvements on a 10 year old design which makes me believe they have nothing in store for a new KS120."

Yes, I share that sentiment. Even though it seems that I dislike the KS60 I simply think that it brings nothing "new" to the market, nothing that stands out in a very crowded segment and for the cost of the saw it is (IMO) hardly a bargain - perhaps even a little over the top. It might still be a truly great saw.

I am not a long term KS120 user so I can't really say what they should improve on.  I can't see why anyone would choose a KS88 over the KS120, I think the KS88 is redundant in the line up. 

 

[pingvinlakrits]

When the 120 can use a SYS1 as a material rest and marketing touts it as a feature  -but- your new saw doesn't unless some feet are purchased .  Well , call me cynical , but to me that's being disengenious to your customers -or- the project manager totally missed the boat during the design phase.  And please don't tell me it wasn't made taller to save weight.  A first year engineer could figure out the dilemma in short order.

Is there no value in having the table as low as possible? Could that be a preference of floor installers? I'd rather have it this way with the ability to raise to the hight of my choice, than have it cast high with no ability to lower it. Just a food for thought.
Of course some kind of pull up/flip up feet stored on board would be a sensible solution. But frankly, matching a systainer is my #143 on the list of what I want from a SCMS.

I do floors at times and there is no difference between having a low or a SYS I height base for the SCMS - the difference is seldom more than 3 to 4cm based on the saws I have/have used. I need/want a support either way and if I can use a SYS I (of which I have many) it makes life a lot easier as the SYS I doubles up as support and for carrying miscellaneous items which I would have brought anyway. It is the same hassle - and sometimes more - if I need to carry a support for the SCMS that I have no further use for other than support. Or, have to make a make shift support out of scrap every time.

I actually carry less with the SYS I option. Makes sense?

 

[Timtool]

I do floors at times and there is no difference between having a low or a SYS I height base for the SCMS - the difference is seldom more than 3 to 4cm based on the saws I have/have used. I need/want a support either way and if I can use a SYS I (of which I have many) it makes life a lot easier as the SYS I doubles up as support and for carrying miscellaneous items which I would have brought anyway. It is the same hassle - and sometimes more - if I need to carry a support for the SCMS that I have no further use for other than support. Or, have to make a make shift support out of scrap every time.

I actually carry less with the SYS I option. Makes sense?

But we do agree that if you were to buy the KS60, you would obviously go for the set, if only because of the lasers and angle finder without which it's basically useless. So you would mount the supplied feet under the base on the first day and the problem is completely over.
I think the problem here comes mainly from a choice of words, with the KS120-88 everybody here knows the 88 is a stripped down unnecessary version for god knows who. Nobody complains since it's redundant.
But by making the KS60 and KS60-set Festool probably confused people by making them pay more for features that should be standard. The set version should be the basic version, and the basic version should be advertised as a stripped down version or even better, kicked out of the line all together.

 

[pingvinlakrits]

Ah, I totally get your point now. Yes, I agree and I did get the set version myself.
I intend to mount the feet and keep them on.

I won't get the UG stand for it as I have very limited use for it and I don't even have the floor space for it in my tool storage at the moment.

I will try to post some photos and thoughts on the KS60 in operation next week and I think it is best if there is a new thread started as I feel this thread isn't really going anywhere. A fresh start with input would perhaps be welcome instead of the slight bickering in this thread - myself included.

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Everyone

I was able to have a play with the KS60 the other day and am doing my best to borrow one in order to make a video.

My first reaction was that Festool have created a machine that has a price point and design that could capture a sizeable share of the market and may tempt many to choose it rather than the KS120. The feet or lack of feet is a non issue really. The LED shadow line has to be seen to appreciate the clarity and functionality - I am sure that I am likely to conclude that it beats twin lasers. The 305 x 60 cut capacity will be enough for a large number of people. The +60 deg and - 60 deg mitre is brilliant and 47 deg/46 deg bevel is really good too.

The discussion of the feet not being in the kit is very telling. In the UK they are about £28 for the set. They are injection moulded and having had some kit like this done for me years ago the tooling does not come cheap. So I am sure that Festool have had to amortise the tooling cost across a projected market demand and then allow for warehousing, packaging and so on. This starts to make £28 look not so bad frankly. I am sure that they are not part of the basic kit so that the weight is kept down.

If that price is deemed to be crazy then I would challenge anyone to set themselves up to produce something similar and try and make a profit.

Any craftsman worried can easily make up a set for his or herself and probably do it in a matter of minutes. But then there are many professionals who would earn more in that time doing their day job and so will take the easy route and buy a set.

Peter

 

[bobfog]

Hi Everyone

I was able to have a play with the KS60 the other day and am doing my best to borrow one in order to make a video.

My first reaction was that Festool have created a machine that has a price point and design that could capture a sizeable share of the market and may tempt many to choose it rather than the KS120. The feet or lack of feet is a non issue really. The LED shadow line has to be seen to appreciate the clarity and functionality - I am sure that I am likely to conclude that it beats twin lasers. The 305 x 60 cut capacity will be enough for a large number of people. The +60 deg and - 60 deg mitre is brilliant and 47 deg/46 deg bevel is really good too.

The discussion of the feet not being in the kit is very telling. In the UK they are about £28 for the set. They are injection moulded and having had some kit like this done for me years ago the tooling does not come cheap. So I am sure that Festool have had to amortise the tooling cost across a projected market demand and then allow for warehousing, packaging and so on. This starts to make £28 look not so bad frankly. I am sure that they are not part of the basic kit so that the weight is kept down.

If that price is deemed to be crazy then I would challenge anyone to set themselves up to produce something similar and try and make a profit.

Anyone craftsman worried can easily make up a set for his or herself and probably do it in a matter of minutes. But then there are many professionals who would earn more in that time doing their day job and so will take the easy route and buy a set.

Peter

Really??

It's £619 for the Set version, for a 216mm saw! Sure it's got some additional features compared to other saws of the same size, but WOW, is it expensive, even by Festool standards.

When you consider other big reputable brands start their 216mm at around the £200 mark I think £619 is rich! Also at more or less 18KG, I think they've actually hit the post with one of the critical features of a 216mm saw - lightweight and easily portable. Dewalt have one that comes in at 11.5KG, so whilst some of the additional features of the Ks 60 are unique and very useful, all that good work is overshadowed by the fundamental feature of low-weight being omitted.

The KS120 is understandable as people are prepared £900 for a supposedly ultimate mitre saw with such good cutting capacity and  accuracy in one tool, but the KS60 with only 60mm of cut depth and @600+ price tag, is going to be a very niche product IMO.

 

[Phil Beckley]

Hi Everyone

I was able to have a play with the KS60 the other day and am doing my best to borrow one in order to make a video.

My first reaction was that Festool have created a machine that has a price point and design that could capture a sizeable share of the market and may tempt many to choose it rather than the KS120. The feet or lack of feet is a non issue really. The LED shadow line has to be seen to appreciate the clarity and functionality - I am sure that I am likely to conclude that it beats twin lasers. The 305 x 60 cut capacity will be enough for a large number of people. The +60 deg and - 60 deg mitre is brilliant and 47 deg/46 deg bevel is really good too.

The discussion of the feet not being in the kit is very telling. In the UK they are about £28 for the set. They are injection moulded and having had some kit like this done for me years ago the tooling does not come cheap. So I am sure that Festool have had to amortise the tooling cost across a projected market demand and then allow for warehousing, packaging and so on. This starts to make £28 look not so bad frankly. I am sure that they are not part of the basic kit so that the weight is kept down.

If that price is deemed to be crazy then I would challenge anyone to set themselves up to produce something similar and try and make a profit.

Anyone craftsman worried can easily make up a set for his or herself and probably do it in a matter of minutes. But then there are many professionals who would earn more in that time doing their day job and so will take the easy route and buy a set.

Peter

Really??

It's £619 for the Set version, for a 216mm saw! Sure it's got some additional features compared to other saws of the same size, but WOW, is it expensive, even by Festool standards.

When you consider other big reputable brands start their 216mm at around the £200 mark I think £619 is rich! Also at more or less 18KG, I think they've actually hit the post with one of the critical features of a 216mm saw - lightweight and easily portable. Dewalt have one that comes in at 11.5KG, so whilst some of the additional features of the Ks 60 are unique and very useful, all that good work is overshadowed by the fundamental feature of low-weight being omitted.

The KS120 is understandable as people are prepared £900 for a supposedly ultimate mitre saw with such good cutting capacity and a accuracy in one tool, but the KS60 with only 60mm of cut depth is going to be a very niche product IMO.

....which DeWalt do you refer to? The KS60 is 17.8kg....some of the weight comes from the casting that runs the twin column guides = accuracy and one of the critical areas for any SCMS. The RRP of the set version is herehttps://www.festool.co.uk/Products/...-compound-mitre-saw-KAPEX-KS-60-E-SET-GB-240V
  Add on to this the Service all Inclusive policy for three years, a saw that can be added to and with accuracy, takes up very little space front to back....and after using it for the past 6 months I can say it is an excellent Festool product that will provide our segment of the market the machine they need from us.....and the angle finder improvements are a neat move as well....and another feature that can save a lot of time and hassle that is not available on competitor machines.
rg
Phil

 

[Stone Message]

Really??

It's £619 for the Set version, for a 216mm saw! Sure it's got some additional features compared to other saws of the same size, but WOW, is it expensive, even by Festool standards.

When you consider other big reputable brands start their 216mm at around the £200 mark I think £619 is rich! Also at more or less 18KG, I think they've actually hit the post with one of the critical features of a 216mm saw - lightweight and easily portable. Dewalt have one that comes in at 11.5KG, so whilst some of the additional features of the Ks 60 are unique and very useful, all that good work is overshadowed by the fundamental feature of low-weight being omitted.

The KS120 is understandable as people are prepared £900 for a supposedly ultimate mitre saw with such good cutting capacity and  accuracy in one tool, but the KS60 with only 60mm of cut depth and @600+ price tag, is going to be a very niche product IMO.

You might be right but have you actually touched one and pressed the trigger?

Peter

 

[Phil Beckley]

Hi
For those who haven't seen a decent side view of the KS 60. A pity about the title of the thread as it has focused on the feet.....maybe taking a look at the overall package will give a better impression  [smile] and then we can look at the features.
(Maybe Peter or Seth can adjust the image please  [wink])
.......
[attachimg=1]

 

[bobfog]

Really??

It's £619 for the Set version, for a 216mm saw! Sure it's got some additional features compared to other saws of the same size, but WOW, is it expensive, even by Festool standards.

When you consider other big reputable brands start their 216mm at around the £200 mark I think £619 is rich! Also at more or less 18KG, I think they've actually hit the post with one of the critical features of a 216mm saw - lightweight and easily portable. Dewalt have one that comes in at 11.5KG, so whilst some of the additional features of the Ks 60 are unique and very useful, all that good work is overshadowed by the fundamental feature of low-weight being omitted.

The KS120 is understandable as people are prepared £900 for a supposedly ultimate mitre saw with such good cutting capacity and  accuracy in one tool, but the KS60 with only 60mm of cut depth and @600+ price tag, is going to be a very niche product IMO.

You might be right but have you actually touched one and pressed the trigger?

Peter

Would touching it and pressing the trigger make it cheaper, lighter or increase the depth of cut?

 

[antss]

Hi Everyone

I was able to have a play with the KS60 the other day and am doing my best to borrow one in order to make a video.

My first reaction was that Festool have created a machine that has a price point and design that could capture a sizeable share of the market and may tempt many to choose it rather than the KS120. The feet or lack of feet is a non issue really. The LED shadow line has to be seen to appreciate the clarity and functionality - I am sure that I am likely to conclude that it beats twin lasers. The 305 x 60 cut capacity will be enough for a large number of people. The +60 deg and - 60 deg mitre is brilliant and 47 deg/46 deg bevel is really good too.

The discussion of the feet not being in the kit is very telling. In the UK they are about £28 for the set. They are injection moulded and having had some kit like this done for me years ago the tooling does not come cheap. So I am sure that Festool have had to amortise the tooling cost across a projected market demand and then allow for warehousing, packaging and so on. This starts to make £28 look not so bad frankly. I am sure that they are not part of the basic kit so that the weight is kept down.

If that price is deemed to be crazy then I would challenge anyone to set themselves up to produce something similar and try and make a profit.

Any craftsman worried can easily make up a set for his or herself and probably do it in a matter of minutes. But then there are many professionals who would earn more in that time doing their day job and so will take the easy route and buy a set.

Peter

- problem is that FT should not have needed a band-aid or an injection molding expense in then first place.  What leads you to believe that the 60 will capture a sizable portion of the market?  Especially if it cannibalizes sales from the 120 ?  [scratch chin] 

And, I reiterate - why should a craftsman buying a Festool need to engineer/make something to get their Festool  to work with the rest of their Festool "system" ?  With that kind of ingenuity there's really no need for a Festool in the first place except as a status symbol.

Furthermore, how long do we think those protruding plastic feet are going to last when said craftsmen start takeing these in and out of their Transits and F150's ?  I can just see a thread now about it just like the recent one about the CT hose garages breaking. 

 

[Phil Beckley]

Really??

It's £619 for the Set version, for a 216mm saw! Sure it's got some additional features compared to other saws of the same size, but WOW, is it expensive, even by Festool standards.

When you consider other big reputable brands start their 216mm at around the £200 mark I think £619 is rich! Also at more or less 18KG, I think they've actually hit the post with one of the critical features of a 216mm saw - lightweight and easily portable. Dewalt have one that comes in at 11.5KG, so whilst some of the additional features of the Ks 60 are unique and very useful, all that good work is overshadowed by the fundamental feature of low-weight being omitted.

The KS120 is understandable as people are prepared £900 for a supposedly ultimate mitre saw with such good cutting capacity and  accuracy in one tool, but the KS60 with only 60mm of cut depth and @600+ price tag, is going to be a very niche product IMO.

You might be right but have you actually touched one and pressed the trigger?

Peter

Would touching it and pressing the trigger make it cheaper, lighter or increase the depth of cut?

...no it wouldn't. The price is for the dealer to sort, the weight will stay at 17.8kg and the depth of cut will stay at 60mm with a 305 cut for the width. Some things are a given such as the weight and the capacity so no matter how much talk there is it isn't going to change  [smile].....
rg
Phil

 

[Phil Beckley]

Hi Everyone

I was able to have a play with the KS60 the other day and am doing my best to borrow one in order to make a video.

My first reaction was that Festool have created a machine that has a price point and design that could capture a sizeable share of the market and may tempt many to choose it rather than the KS120. The feet or lack of feet is a non issue really. The LED shadow line has to be seen to appreciate the clarity and functionality - I am sure that I am likely to conclude that it beats twin lasers. The 305 x 60 cut capacity will be enough for a large number of people. The +60 deg and - 60 deg mitre is brilliant and 47 deg/46 deg bevel is really good too.

The discussion of the feet not being in the kit is very telling. In the UK they are about £28 for the set. They are injection moulded and having had some kit like this done for me years ago the tooling does not come cheap. So I am sure that Festool have had to amortise the tooling cost across a projected market demand and then allow for warehousing, packaging and so on. This starts to make £28 look not so bad frankly. I am sure that they are not part of the basic kit so that the weight is kept down.

If that price is deemed to be crazy then I would challenge anyone to set themselves up to produce something similar and try and make a profit.

Any craftsman worried can easily make up a set for his or herself and probably do it in a matter of minutes. But then there are many professionals who would earn more in that time doing their day job and so will take the easy route and buy a set.

Peter

- problem is that FT should not have needed a band-aid or an injection molding expense in then first place.  What leads you to believe that the 60 will capture a sizable portion of the market?  Especially if it cannibalizes sales from the 120 ?  [scratch chin] 

And, I reiterate - why should a craftsman buying a Festool need to engineer/make something to get their Festool  to work with the rest of their Festool "system" ?  With that kind of ingenuity there's really no need for a Festool in the first place except as a status symbol.

Furthermore, how long do we think those protruding plastic feet are going to last when said craftsmen start takeing these in and out of their Transits and F150's ?  I can just see a thread now about it just like the recent one about the CT hose garages breaking.

.....the less base casting then less weight there is, maybe the feet are used to save on the overall KG's....so not to bad a solution after all. Keeps the height correct for the 'System' and saves some weight. In terms of accuracy then yes there is a need for this machine.....it cuts accurately with no deflection due to the twin column guides and this also keeps it compact so again another plus for the KS60.
RG
Phil

 

[bobfog]

Really??

It's £619 for the Set version, for a 216mm saw! Sure it's got some additional features compared to other saws of the same size, but WOW, is it expensive, even by Festool standards.

When you consider other big reputable brands start their 216mm at around the £200 mark I think £619 is rich! Also at more or less 18KG, I think they've actually hit the post with one of the critical features of a 216mm saw - lightweight and easily portable. Dewalt have one that comes in at 11.5KG, so whilst some of the additional features of the Ks 60 are unique and very useful, all that good work is overshadowed by the fundamental feature of low-weight being omitted.

The KS120 is understandable as people are prepared £900 for a supposedly ultimate mitre saw with such good cutting capacity and  accuracy in one tool, but the KS60 with only 60mm of cut depth and @600+ price tag, is going to be a very niche product IMO.

You might be right but have you actually touched one and pressed the trigger?

Peter

Would touching it and pressing the trigger make it cheaper, lighter or increase the depth of cut?

...no it wouldn't. The price is for the dealer to sort, the weight will stay at 17.8kg and the depth of cut will stay at 60mm with a 305 cut for the width. Some things are a given such as the weight and the capacity so no matter how much talk there is it isn't going to change  [smile].....
rg
Phil

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member] thanks for the clarification. I suspected this might be the case, but it's always nice to have an official response from Festool, even if it is just reiterating the laws of physics! [wink]

 

[Phil Beckley]

Really??

It's £619 for the Set version, for a 216mm saw! Sure it's got some additional features compared to other saws of the same size, but WOW, is it expensive, even by Festool standards.

When you consider other big reputable brands start their 216mm at around the £200 mark I think £619 is rich! Also at more or less 18KG, I think they've actually hit the post with one of the critical features of a 216mm saw - lightweight and easily portable. Dewalt have one that comes in at 11.5KG, so whilst some of the additional features of the Ks 60 are unique and very useful, all that good work is overshadowed by the fundamental feature of low-weight being omitted.

The KS120 is understandable as people are prepared £900 for a supposedly ultimate mitre saw with such good cutting capacity and  accuracy in one tool, but the KS60 with only 60mm of cut depth and @600+ price tag, is going to be a very niche product IMO.

You might be right but have you actually touched one and pressed the trigger?

Peter

Would touching it and pressing the trigger make it cheaper, lighter or increase the depth of cut?

...no it wouldn't. The price is for the dealer to sort, the weight will stay at 17.8kg and the depth of cut will stay at 60mm with a 305 cut for the width. Some things are a given such as the weight and the capacity so no matter how much talk there is it isn't going to change  [smile].....
rg
Phil

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member] thanks for the clarification. I suspected this might be the case, but it's always nice to have an official response from Festool, even if it is just reiterating the laws of physics! [wink]

....excellent, we can move on then  [smile]
rg
Phil

 

[bobfog]

Really??

It's £619 for the Set version, for a 216mm saw! Sure it's got some additional features compared to other saws of the same size, but WOW, is it expensive, even by Festool standards.

When you consider other big reputable brands start their 216mm at around the £200 mark I think £619 is rich! Also at more or less 18KG, I think they've actually hit the post with one of the critical features of a 216mm saw - lightweight and easily portable. Dewalt have one that comes in at 11.5KG, so whilst some of the additional features of the Ks 60 are unique and very useful, all that good work is overshadowed by the fundamental feature of low-weight being omitted.

The KS120 is understandable as people are prepared £900 for a supposedly ultimate mitre saw with such good cutting capacity and  accuracy in one tool, but the KS60 with only 60mm of cut depth and @600+ price tag, is going to be a very niche product IMO.

You might be right but have you actually touched one and pressed the trigger?

Peter

Would touching it and pressing the trigger make it cheaper, lighter or increase the depth of cut?

...no it wouldn't. The price is for the dealer to sort, the weight will stay at 17.8kg and the depth of cut will stay at 60mm with a 305 cut for the width. Some things are a given such as the weight and the capacity so no matter how much talk there is it isn't going to change  [smile].....
rg
Phil

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member] thanks for the clarification. I suspected this might be the case, but it's always nice to have an official response from Festool, even if it is just reiterating the laws of physics! [wink]

....excellent, we can move on then  [smile]
rg
Phil

Indeed, now we have established Peter's question was moot and removed from the point I was making...