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DB10 said:
Well, you're probably a lot stronger than I am, because I don't think 3,7 kg is a small difference.
KS60 - We pay more to cover a design error.
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Well, you're probably a lot stronger than I am, because I don't think 3,7 kg is a small difference.
Hi every one, glad to be here ;D
I for one really like the new kapex 60. I often use my car for work and my dewalt dw712 fits perfectly in my boot where my kapex 120 is a couple of inches too high to pull the load cover and I do appreciate the weight difference as well. Perhaps festool thought that if anyone wants higher, wider and more powerful saw will go for kapex 120.
I for one really like the new kapex 60. I often use my car for work and my dewalt dw712 fits perfectly in my boot where my kapex 120 is a couple of inches too high to pull the load cover and I do appreciate the weight difference as well. Perhaps festool thought that if anyone wants higher, wider and more powerful saw will go for kapex 120.
Kev said:
I doubt I'll be queueing for one either. I must say that I'm pretty impressed with its 120 mm vertical skirting board capability despite the tight footprint & small blade. The extended double bevel capabilities are pretty good too, but without better pricing, or at least the occasional special and the absence of local servicing & repair facilities I'm similarly obliged to look elsewhere too.
Harry1561 said:
Oh, I don't know - because you're carrying them (SYS1) with you anyway ?
Because it takes time to make some offcuts for each job and is a waste of material, or is something else to carry around that has no other purpose if you do save them.
Because most flooring guys work on the floor and don't go up and down to cut stuff at a saw station.
Because other people (customers) will look at the setup and think "how clever is that" - which they aren't going to say about a couple of scraps holding up your material.
Of course scraps , and make your own feet and saw stations will work and be cheap. But then so would a host of other tools that aren't Festool , so it seems your missing the point.
NL-mikkla said:
I just measured a SYS1 and found its 4 1/3 inches tall, what a goofy height. I'm guessing the 60 is starting out NAINA because they haven't yet justified making an imperial SYS1 adapter.
Out of curiosity, how tall are the metric SYS1's?
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Scorpion said:
They have the exact same goofy height as imperial SYS1's. It's a big coincidence.
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I'm slightly curious that so many people say the 60 is only really for flooring contractors?
You do know that you can cut things like skirting boards laid flat don't you? I don't know any contractor who cuts them upright so am slightly baffled at why people think its a problem.
It will cut stud timber, boards (including skirting or baseboards/whatever you Merkins call em) upto pretty massive.
Pretty good size for a saw that will be caried out of a van, up a flight or two of stairs everyday and back.
OK maybe not much use for coving but thats very rare on commercial sites.
You do know that you can cut things like skirting boards laid flat don't you? I don't know any contractor who cuts them upright so am slightly baffled at why people think its a problem.
It will cut stud timber, boards (including skirting or baseboards/whatever you Merkins call em) upto pretty massive.
Pretty good size for a saw that will be caried out of a van, up a flight or two of stairs everyday and back.
OK maybe not much use for coving but thats very rare on commercial sites.
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I did go through the machine today at a pushers nest that had a few units in store and one assembled.
Fit and finish is fine and everything runs smoothly. I would not say that the gliders on this particular unit were as smooth as the larger Kapex and actually less smooth than my Makita LS0714. Still good though.
The blade does run a while longer than expected after a cut is made. I would not call it an effective blade brake but not a deal breaker for most I guess. I am not even sure it has a blade brake??? Anyone? The dealer said it did not look like it had a brake, he did not know and the guy who did wasn't there at the time.
It looked and felt like there was a bit of blade wobble going on - judging by vibrations and looking at the blade. [blink]
It was seated in the Kapex stand so I could not gauge the weight or "agility factor" though grips were really good and I think the unit will be easy to carry despite it being a bit heavy for a "smaller saw".
Girth, well, a bit large for a small saw but it folds down well. It is not a small saw, it is a medium sized saw and compared with other (same blade size) saws in store it was among the larger ones in footprint. Yes, it does bevel two ways but if you are in the market for a "small size saw" and look at all aspects I am not sure I would put the KS60 on top of my list.
I am not sure if I like it or not - it definitely did not put me off or anything but perhaps I was a bit underwhelmed.
I could have walked out with one (and I have an in store bonus that would have gotten me a unit for free) but didn't feel the love even though I am in the market for a saw in this class.
I think the Metabo KGS 72 Xact SYM seems like a more innovative saw - at a much better price and in the same size and weight category and with pretty much the same apparent build quality - except for the fence perhaps. The Metabo can be had without the SYM fence and is then same weight and size and has better cut capacity for deeper/long cuts with 72 over 60. And a lot cheaper.
I will take a long hard look at the Metabo (only looked at it briefly while picking up the Metabo 18V SCMS) and by the looks of it I will be settling for the Metabo. I think I get a much better deal and the SYM feature is handy for me and I could then relegate the SYM 70 to other cutting tasks.
Fit and finish is fine and everything runs smoothly. I would not say that the gliders on this particular unit were as smooth as the larger Kapex and actually less smooth than my Makita LS0714. Still good though.
The blade does run a while longer than expected after a cut is made. I would not call it an effective blade brake but not a deal breaker for most I guess. I am not even sure it has a blade brake??? Anyone? The dealer said it did not look like it had a brake, he did not know and the guy who did wasn't there at the time.
It looked and felt like there was a bit of blade wobble going on - judging by vibrations and looking at the blade. [blink]
It was seated in the Kapex stand so I could not gauge the weight or "agility factor" though grips were really good and I think the unit will be easy to carry despite it being a bit heavy for a "smaller saw".
Girth, well, a bit large for a small saw but it folds down well. It is not a small saw, it is a medium sized saw and compared with other (same blade size) saws in store it was among the larger ones in footprint. Yes, it does bevel two ways but if you are in the market for a "small size saw" and look at all aspects I am not sure I would put the KS60 on top of my list.
I am not sure if I like it or not - it definitely did not put me off or anything but perhaps I was a bit underwhelmed.
I could have walked out with one (and I have an in store bonus that would have gotten me a unit for free) but didn't feel the love even though I am in the market for a saw in this class.
I think the Metabo KGS 72 Xact SYM seems like a more innovative saw - at a much better price and in the same size and weight category and with pretty much the same apparent build quality - except for the fence perhaps. The Metabo can be had without the SYM fence and is then same weight and size and has better cut capacity for deeper/long cuts with 72 over 60. And a lot cheaper.
I will take a long hard look at the Metabo (only looked at it briefly while picking up the Metabo 18V SCMS) and by the looks of it I will be settling for the Metabo. I think I get a much better deal and the SYM feature is handy for me and I could then relegate the SYM 70 to other cutting tasks.
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Hi. Yes for sure we can all make do with quick fixes, and most of us do from time to time. My issue here is that Festool is promoting a feature/ability that was not incorporated in the design engineering; and a feature that is part of the design within the KS120.
And for flooring guys [working at floor level] this particular SYS1 with the MDF lid might be more handy than the plain SYS1 featured in the Festool Catalogues and Videos of the KS60.
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Thank you for presenting your impressions of the saw. I am concerned regarding the action of or indeed the possibility of no blade brake.
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Hi. Yes for sure we can all make do with quick fixes, and most of us do from time to time. My issue here is that Festool is promoting a feature/ability that was not incorporated in the design engineering; and a feature that is part of the design within the KS120.
And for flooring guys [working at floor level] this particular SYS1 with the MDF lid might be more handy than the plain SYS1 featured in the Festool Catalogues and Videos of the KS60.
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Thank you for presenting your impressions of the saw. I am concerned regarding the action of or indeed the possibility of no blade brake.
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How necessary is a brake? My 120 has one obviously but it also has a blade guard that fully covers so a spinning blade wouldn't be that big of a deal right? Maybe I just haven't experienced the difference or considered how it would be different.
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A saw brake isn't necessary.
Neither is a powered mitersaw.
Nor is a Festool necessary.
But they are all nice things to have if you make a lot of miter cuts. And a brake would seem to me to be one of things a high end mitersaw should have.
There is still the elephant in the room for all the NA , and Brit site work guys, chatting about all the features and capabilities this saw has or doesn't have. Namely, has FT worked out their 110v motor woes on their mitersaws ?
Neither is a powered mitersaw.
Nor is a Festool necessary.
But they are all nice things to have if you make a lot of miter cuts. And a brake would seem to me to be one of things a high end mitersaw should have.
There is still the elephant in the room for all the NA , and Brit site work guys, chatting about all the features and capabilities this saw has or doesn't have. Namely, has FT worked out their 110v motor woes on their mitersaws ?
