Ks60

[glass1]

Why no 120 volt version  for USA. Probably because Festool makes less profit on it and it would cut into ks 120 sales. I have heard of no ks60 120 volt burnouts from the uk.  Come on Festool get your head out of the sand and give us the good tools.

 

[peter halle]

Why no 120 volt version  for USA. Probably because Festool makes less profit on it and it would cut into ks 120 sales. I have heard of no ks60 120 volt burnouts from the uk.  Come on Festool get your head out of the sand and give us the good tools.

I haven't heard about the KS60 being available here at all.  Maybe I missed something?  Perhaps internal marketing research showed that the KS60 and also the stripped down bigger Kapex wouldn't be successful enough here to justify the additional costs to develop for and certify here? [2cents]

Peter

 

[glass1]

Like I said corporate profits trump all.

 

[Birdhunter]

Without corporate profits there are no corporate investors and, before long, no corporation and no products.

 

[glass1]

Apologist

 

[peter halle]

Like I said corporate profits trump all.

I have always assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that you owned a company that did glass storefronts and automatically doors.  Irreguardless, Perhaps, because of perceived demand that company should be also looking into mobilizing into replacing single pane window glass in double hung windows.  Set up a whole division with multiple crews and new vans.

It’s just business.

Peter

 

[AlexThePalex]

I do not understand how not releasing a saw would mean more corporate profits. But that's just me.

 

[Birdhunter]

In the businesses that I’ve been in, there is a considerable lag time between the first sale of a product and the time our investment in designing, setting up a production line, testing, and  setting up a sales system is made back. Only when all the investments have been made back is there a profit.

Also, the US has a unique legal system where the manufacturers are held liable for damages if the product causes harm even if the user is doing something incredibly stupid. Thats one reason manufacturers are cautious about releasing a new tool into the US.

 

[glass1]

I do not understand how not releasing a saw would mean more corporate profits. But that's just me......If Festool thought releasing it to USA market would increase profits they would release it.

 

[lerabotperche]

Also, the US has a unique legal system where the manufacturers are held liable for damages if the product causes harm even if the user is doing something incredibly stupid.

The advertisement on the side of tools makes the world smile everyday. Around the world, we belive there is a true story behind all theses advertisements.  [big grin]

 

[Birdhunter]

The most amusing one for me is the warning to not eat the desiccant packets that are in the shipping boxes.

 

[rmwarren]

The most amusing one for me is the warning to not eat the desiccant packets that are in the shipping boxes.

They overlooked the warning to not hit yourself in the head with the tool...  [poke]

RMW

 

[AlexThePalex]

The most amusing one for me is the warning to not eat the desiccant packets that are in the shipping boxes.

I just bought some Sigma paint yesterday form our local Sigma Service Centre. Since a couple of years the Dutch brand Sigma is owned by the American company PPG.

To my surprise on the receipt I got it said I was not allowed to use this paint to paint any facilities where chemical, biological or nuclear arms were made.

I thought this was very funny and very sad at the same time.  [huh]

 

[DeformedTree]

The most amusing one for me is the warning to not eat the desiccant packets that are in the shipping boxes.

He don't dis them till you try them,  tasty and reduce bloating.  [wink]

 

[DeformedTree]

I just bought some Sigma paint yesterday form our local Sigma Service Centre. Since a couple of years the Dutch brand Sigma is owned by the American company PPG.

To my surprise on the receipt I got it said I was not allowed to use this paint to paint any facilities where chemical, biological or nuclear arms were made.

I thought this was very funny and very sad at the same time.  [huh]

They don't want you complaining when the paint fails and they want you to buy proper CARC paint.

 

[rst]

Peter, I think you may be thinking of me.  I do commercial glazing, automatic doors, locksmithing and plastic fabrication.  I wood butcher as a hobby, all my house trim is quarter sawn oak  that I made.  Started out as a finisher and branched out form there is the last 50 years.

 

[peter halle]

Peter, I think you may be thinking of me.  I do commercial glazing, automatic doors, locksmithing and plastic fabrication.  I wood butcher as a hobby, all my house trim is quarter sawn oak  that I made.  Started out as a finisher and branched out form there is the last 50 years.

Thank you for that.

Peter

 

[semenza]

The most amusing one for me is the warning to not eat the desiccant packets that are in the shipping boxes.

I just bought some Sigma paint yesterday form our local Sigma Service Centre. Since a couple of years the Dutch brand Sigma is owned by the American company PPG.

To my surprise on the receipt I got it said I was not allowed to use this paint to paint any facilities where chemical, biological or nuclear arms were made.

I thought this was very funny and very sad at the same time.  [huh]

You should take it back and tell them you want to return it because you were planning to use it for your arms plant but didn't see the warning until after purchase.  [blink]

Seth

 

[Stephen B]

Returning to the KS60, it's great both in accuracy and ease of use. [smile]

If you have plenty of time to waste here researching old FOG threads you will see I was critical of the saw when it was first released in Australia  (and before I bought one). My main criticism - having  to pay extra for larger base legs to enable a Systainer to provide support for material being cut -  is still valid. See photograph. The saw base and legs should have been designed to allow this in the first place. My other criticism of no blade brake - well there is no brake but due to the gearing and a belt drive the blade does stop very quickly,

As to why not yet in the US - profit perceptions, 110Volts and variable power supplies, certification and public liability issues. They're  all probably in the mix. But maybe one day: who knows outside of Festool HQ..

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[DeformedTree]

What exactly is the appeal of the KS60?  I see it's 5.3kg (11.7lb) lighter, which would to me be the biggest reason if you move saws around a lot.  But to be fair the KS120 is ~50lbs which isn't too bad.

If you aren't moving it around all the time or lugging into houses, I'm struggling to see the use for it.  Maybe this is the basic answer, maybe most folks in N.A. are like me and look at the situation as "why would you get anything but a 12" sliding compound"  basically why wouldn't you get the biggest, most capable one you can.  I'd think the only real constraint would be moving it around.  I can see if you say are a flooring installer and just need something to do small cross cuts, but then why not just by a small cheap saw (granted dust collection may be a valid reason why).

I'd overall guess that Festool has looked at the N.A. market and the answer is like many products where the N.A. market isn't exactly space constrained. Big houses, big vehicles, etc.  So making a product a bit smaller/lighter may be appreciated by some, it's going to get shrugged off by most folks.