Latest Rip-Goodie... can you guess what it's for?

[rmwarren]

I noticed the basic set does not include the "clips". What capability do the clips give that isn't available otherwise? What uses do the thumb screws have?

The basic set includes (2) each of the the guide clips, guide dogs and rip dogs.

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You may have been referring to the guide fence adapter, that attaches to the stock MFT guide fence and one of the guide dogs:

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The thumb screws attached the guide dogs to the MFT, without them the dogs tend to wobble slightly. If you have the Festool clamping elements you can use the knobs from them (or any other M8-1.25 knob or screw) and you don't need the thumbs screws.

RMW

 

[grbmds]

So, if think I may use it with the guide rail I should buy the complete set rather than the basic set? I"m not sure I see why.

 

[Tinker]

Richard,
I came across the thread last evening, but it was  matter of life or death if i took time to reply. I was to take THE BOSS out to dinner.  As everybody knows, I am only 39. She is a little less, but as of yesterday, we have been married for 48 short years. The years were short, you see, as we are both a lot younger than we have been hitched. You now know which part of the opening choice I opted for.  : : :

Any how, it is too cold for me to do the work I have to do today, so i have time for discussion for another hour or so before it warms up.

I have not had time to watch your vid, but I cannot tell from the pics if the stubs on the stop dogs are long enough for my application.  I am using 1/2" sacrificial strips on my MFT between the table and the materials I am working with.  As I look at the pics, I am sure that if they are not, one could still use them by keeping the T-Trac in between the sac. strips and set a stop block to the top of the T-trac.  My extension dogs (my head is a bit hazy this AM, so don't recall the terminology. Hey, I'm only 39, the memory will come back eventually.) are just barely long enough to catch the rail clips when cutting 3/4" thickness with the strips under the wood.  I am sure there are others who also use sac. strips under their wood who run into the same problem.

Perhaps some bushings can be made to fit such situations.  Any how, I would like a set of the new stops.  I can see how they could be better in some situations.  I am not unhappy with the rip dogs, clips, parallel dogs and all that i have already gotten.  It seems i never have enough dogs as long as I don't run into problems feeding them all.  Atleast they don't bark when hungry.  They just gather a little bit of dust when not in use. 

Tinker

 

[rmwarren]

Richard,
I came across the thread last evening, but it was  matter of life or death if i took time to reply. I was to take THE BOSS out to dinner.  As everybody knows, I am only 39. She is a little less, but as of yesterday, we have been married for 48 short years. The years were short, you see, as we are both a lot younger than we have been hitched. You now know which part of the opening choice I opted for.  : : :

Any how, it is too cold for me to do the work I have to do today, so i have time for discussion for another hour or so before it warms up.

I have not had time to watch your vid, but I cannot tell from the pics if the stubs on the stop dogs are long enough for my application.  I am using 1/2" sacrificial strips on my MFT between the table and the materials I am working with.  As I look at the pics, I am sure that if they are not, one could still use them by keeping the T-Trac in between the sac. strips and set a stop block to the top of the T-trac.  My extension dogs (my head is a bit hazy this AM, so don't recall the terminology. Hey, I'm only 39, the memory will come back eventually.) are just barely long enough to catch the rail clips when cutting 3/4" thickness with the strips under the wood.  I am sure there are others who also use sac. strips under their wood who run into the same problem.

Perhaps some bushings can be made to fit such situations.  Any how, I would like a set of the new stops.  I can see how they could be better in some situations.  I am not unhappy with the rip dogs, clips, parallel dogs and all that i have already gotten.  It seems i never have enough dogs as long as I don't run into problems feeding them all.  Atleast they don't bark when hungry.  They just gather a little bit of dust when not in use. 

Tinker

Tinker - you do carry on at times...  [poke]

Congratulations! 48 years of marriage is hard to grasp, being as I just passed the 21st anniversary of my 29th birthday. Every year my wife and I have to count on our fingers to figure out how long we have been married, her memory (thankfully) is as bad as mine. A few years ago around noontime one September day she stopped and said "Oh yeah, happy anniversary". Luckily I was not the only one who had forgotten it...

I can see where the 1/2" sacrificial strips would cause some issues, have you considered using a 1/4" sheet instead? That would also give you a bit more scope working with the guide dogs.

RMW

 

[Tinker]

I am waiting for a new TS 55REQ.  I will be able to see the marks for setting depth of cut and should not be cutting so deep into table as sometimes happens with the ancient ATF 55.

With the sac strips, there is plenty of sace between that the T-trac can nestle in between.  A block on top of the T-trac should work fine.  Put me down for a set of the stop dogs.  Since nobody else seems to have come up with your idea, I was wondering if they are pedigreed.  [poke]
Tinker

 

[grbmds]

I noticed the basic set does not include the "clips". What capability do the clips give that isn't available otherwise? What uses do the thumb screws have?

The basic set includes (2) each of the the guide clips, guide dogs and rip dogs.

[attachthumb=#]

You may have been referring to the guide fence adapter, that attaches to the stock MFT guide fence and one of the guide dogs:

[attachthumb=#]

The thumb screws attached the guide dogs to the MFT, without them the dogs tend to wobble slightly. If you have the Festool clamping elements you can use the knobs from them (or any other M8-1.25 knob or screw) and you don't need the thumbs screws.

RMW

I would like to get the Rip Stops but I want to make sure I understand what I need so I don't end up buying less or more than I need. So, am I correct that. .. if I want to use the Rip Stops with the guide rail on the MFT on it own, I should only need the Basic Set to complement the Rip Stops. If I wish to use the Rip Stops with the guide rail mounted to the MFT table as Festool intends, will I need additional and should then order the Complete Set?

 

[epicxt]

Loving this setup! Was able to glue and domino solid walnut edgebanding onto what will be the sides of my drawer fronts (3/4" walnut ply) and then after the glue-up was done go back and rip all my drawer fronts to the same size.

Not a great pic but you get the idea...

 

[rmwarren]

I noticed the basic set does not include the "clips". What capability do the clips give that isn't available otherwise? What uses do the thumb screws have?

The basic set includes (2) each of the the guide clips, guide dogs and rip dogs.

[attachthumb=#]

You may have been referring to the guide fence adapter, that attaches to the stock MFT guide fence and one of the guide dogs:

[attachthumb=#]

The thumb screws attached the guide dogs to the MFT, without them the dogs tend to wobble slightly. If you have the Festool clamping elements you can use the knobs from them (or any other M8-1.25 knob or screw) and you don't need the thumbs screws.

RMW

I would like to get the Rip Stops but I want to make sure I understand what I need so I don't end up buying less or more than I need. So, am I correct that. .. if I want to use the Rip Stops with the guide rail on the MFT on it own, I should only need the Basic Set to complement the Rip Stops. If I wish to use the Rip Stops with the guide rail mounted to the MFT table as Festool intends, will I need additional and should then order the Complete Set?

grbmds - I sent you a PM, take a look at that and see if it clarifies things.

Thanks,

RMW

 

[rmwarren]

Just had a question about how to set up the stops so I thought I would post it here. The stops were designed to read the position on the scale from the rear side of the stop itself, there is a little tab that almost touches the scale to reduce any parallax problems.

You can use the stops in any row of MFT holes, with the appropriate length of t-track+. In this instance I have them in the first row of holes just past the guide rail, this allows cuts of +/- 190mm/7.5":

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Adjust the t-track+ so it lines up with the edge of the splinter guard:

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Adjust the sliding scale so it reads 0 at the outside edge of the stop:

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The same process works with longer t-track+, i.e. if you moved the stops 3 rows to the left you would need t-tracks that were 288mm longer, and your max cutting capacity would be +/- 478mm/18.75".

Since the scale will only read accurately when using the row of holes they were originally setup in, to get the most versatility from the stops you may want to have 2-3 sets of tracks of different lengths. Just swap out one set of t-track+ with another, they should not need to be re-calibrated.

Hope this clarifies things.

RMW

 

[rmwarren]

Credit to Wayne Tinker for this idea. He uses 1/2" sacrificial strips to keep his MFT top pristine (sissy... [poke]), with the Incra track also being 1/2" tall the stops would not make contact with the material being cut. Wayne's solution was to add an additional stop to the track:

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Thanks for sending the photo Tinker.

RMW 

 

[Tinker]

Credit to Wayne Tinker for this idea. He uses 1/2" sacrificial strips to keep his MFT top pristine (sissy... [poke]), with the Incra track also being 1/2" tall the stops would not make contact with the material being cut. Wayne's solution was to add an additional stop to the track:

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Thanks for sending the photo Tinker.

RMW 

Thaanks for showing that, Richard,
The original idea for the stop dogs and T-tracs was to make parallel cuts.  In the pic it is not quite clear unless you look real close.  With the stops set on top of the T-tracs and the material riding over the sacrificial strips as well as the T-trac, i was  in the pic making duplicate tapered strips.  The strips are about 22-1/2 " in length tapering from 1/2" at one end to 1-1/8" at the other end.  They came out perfect matches.  Using this method, wedges can be made in almost any angle.
Tinker