Lessons learned from Hand Cut Dovetails

guitar_ed

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Hi All,

I decided, for reasons I can not explain, that I need to be able to do my dovetails by hand.  Not that I can't do them by machine: I can.  I have 3 machine systems.  But I need to......

I decided use the Veritas dovetail guide (Veritas, which makes things much easier.  Free handing the cuts was just a god awful disaster.

After the guide, the most important thing that I have learned is that it's all about the chisels & chisel work.  The right type of chisel.  You need a set of good robust chisels, that you can beat with a mallet.  You need a pair of skew chisels, left and right skew.  You need paring chisels.  Some dovetail chisels would be a good idea.

And they have to be SHARP.

All of the instructions I have say to use a coping saw to remove most of the waste wood.  Nope.  A small band saw is the way to go.  Much faster & easier.

When doing the final cuts against the depth line, the chisel really needs to be held at a 90 degree angle to the wood.  I found that using a square piece of wood, scrap maple, works very well for this task.

And the stubbornness to keep at it. For a long time.  I am working on roughly my 10th box worth of corners, and they are finally starting to come out "ok", though I would not brag about them to anybody but my wife.

Have fun if you choose to go down this road.

edg
 
Good for you - haven't hand cut any myself but I sense your feeling of accomplishment as you improve with each one.
 
Congratulations, hand tool work is good theropy and the tools are beautiful. Hand work is great when you make something for yourself and family. What kind of saw did you use.
 
What kind of saw do I use?  Ummmm...  It's a Japanese pull saw, but I have no idea what brand. Middle market is the best I can say.

Sorry.

edg
 
Good for you for picking up a new skill! Hand-cut dovetails are how I do it.
 
Stubbornness is the best tool in the box! [big grin]

I've got to the point where I can reliably do 'OK' dovetails and hopefully I'm stubborn enough to get to
really good ones some day.

When I first started I went through a lot of gadgets and gimmicks.  Tried many different techniques.  Then I got
some great advice:

"There are many ways to make great dovetails - they all work.  Pick one and practice that method until you build the
needed skills."
 
A super fast way to learn flawless hand cut dovetails is with a Japanese style pull saw and one of David Barron's saw guides. David's guides makes cutting pins and tails a snap - you'll learn real fast with little frustration.  Check it out:http://www.davidbarronfurniture.co.uk/david_barron_tools.asp?pg=1&id=5

BTW, I'm firmly in the "tails first" camp for two reasons:

1) it's so much easier to place the pin board in your vise and lay the cut tail board over the pin board, when marking the pins - as opposed to standing the cut pin board on it's end on the tail board when marking the tails

2) I find it much easier to follow a line when cutting straight down at 90 degrees when cutting the pins, than it is to follow a line on a diagonal when cutting the tails.  Of course, if your using David Barron's saw guide this is a moot point.
 
I second the David Barron guide.  It is one of the best things I have ever purchased.  I also use the saw he recommends.  It still takes practice but much easier to make good looking dovetails right out of the box.  He also has a lot of videos on youtube.

Rusty
 
Totally agree with Rusty - David's YouTube videos are excellent and well worth a serious look.
 
I tried for many years to put together advice from different sources, with poor and inconsistent results.  Then I bought a copy of Ian Kirby's The Complete Dovetail, Cambium Press, 1999, ISBN 0-9643999-9-7. It was a (dovetail) life-changer. 

He writes and illustrates the way he does woodworking: no extra fuss and no wasted effort.  Every tool and technique and process is logical and easily mastered with practice and thought.  His understated humor and irreverence is very entertaining.  He goes through tool selection and practice exercises, and then breaks down each form of dovetail joint into the appropriate process, stressing what is important and what is not, what to check at each stage, and how to correct it before moving on to the next step.

Of course, your mileage may vary.

Crox

 
Or... You could watch David Barron's YouTube video, get one of his guides and an inexpensive Japanese dovetail saw and be cutting perfect dovetails right out of the box! No extensive reading, laboring over which tools to buy or practicing tedious exercises, just cutting flawless dovetails... Easy as pie...
 
I met David last year at the HandWorks show in Amana Colonies.  Purchased a couple of his guides and use them with a Japanese saw.  Highly recommended!

neil
 
I, too bought one of David Barron's guides after meeting him at Handworks and purchasing one of his hammers and the DVD.  I ended up ordering the guide after the show and he took paypal back home in GB and I had my guide a week later in Kansas.  Great products and a nice guy who communicates well with customers.
 
There are a bunch of aids available to saw straight. Lee Valley have a magnetic guide. David Barron as well. Paul Sellers has his jig. Try not to go there. I know that many believe that one must be cutting dovetails all day long to master this technique, but that is not true. It does not take long to understand the principles, and then all it is about is sawing to a line. (Basically all woodworking is about working to a line).

I have two articles on my website that may help:

Through dovetails:http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/ThroughDovetails3.html

Half-blind dovetails: http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/HalfBlindDovetailswithBlueTape.html

A recently completed chest of drawers ...

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Regards from Perth

Derek
 
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