LR 32 Set and other options

[vkumar]

The LR 32 Hole Drilling Set in a systainer comes with the following:
Guide plate
Centering mandrel
2 edge stops
2 linear stops
2 clamps
Operating wrench
35 mm carbide-tipped European hinge boring bit
2 carbide-tipped 5 mm shelf pin bits, one for through holes and one for stopped pin holes.

The LR-32 hole drilling set comes with the following:
Guide plate,
Centering mandrel,
Linear stops and
two edge stops

Question
Are linear stops the same as edge stops?

So for about $ 220 extra you get a systainer, two clamps, two  5mm router bits and one 35 mm bit.  Is this correct?
Also are there 2 linear stops with the second kit or not?

Thanks for the iinput.

Vijay

 

[waho6o9]

Check with Bob Marino, he's a great Festool dealer with great  customer service.  ROBARLMAR@aol.com    [big grin]

 

[harry_]

Are linear stops the same as edge stops?

No.

Edge stop.

The linear stops are the 16|32 off-setting device for the guide rail. Sorry, I could not find an individual part/link for those.

 

[vkumar]

Harry,

Thanks. My question was badly framed.  Still would be interested in knowing if there are 2 linear stops with the 2nd kit. And what is the operating wrench? Is it the allen wrench or something else.

Vijay

 

[Wood_Junkie]

Question
Are linear stops the same as edge stops?  

Answer:  No.  The Edge Stops are the armature things that offset the guide rail from the front/back edge.
The linear stop is the little metal oval tab that offsets the guide rail from the top/bottom edge.   (Honestly, I find these names backwards, IMO)

So for about $ 220 extra you get a systainer, two clamps, two  5mm router bits and one 35 mm bit.  Is this correct?
Also are there 2 linear stops with the second kit or not?

Answer:  Yes.
See here related to both questions:   http://festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/lr32-part-number-kit-question/

Based on that thread and Shane's answers I ordered the $205 kit and sure enough, the linear stops are in there.  But they are not pictured *anywhere* except the $425 kit photo.

Regarding costs:
Keep in mind, the clamps are $35, the Festool 35mm bit is about $70, the Festool 5mm bits are about $30 each, $58 systainer, and the insert to hold it all (about $10).  Or $233 total.
You *can* use a different 5mm bit.  You could also use a 35mm Forstner bit in a drill.   I do not know of anyone else that sells a 35mm *router* bit.   You should not chuck a Forstner (drill) bit into a router...

 

[Brice Burrell]

The Festool hole drilling bits are excellent, I'd highly recommend them, especially the 5 mm brad point bits. That's doesn't mean you have to buy the bigger set if you already have clamps and a Systainer.

 

[tbellemare]

I do not know of anyone else that sells a 35mm *router* bit.

CMT has 35mm hinge boring bits with 1/2", 3/8", and 10mm shanks FOR BORING MACHINES. I sell them but don't normally stock them. I'm happy to get them if you contact me.

Tom

 

[vkumar]

Thanks wood_junkie and Brice. That sure clears it up.

Wood_junkie that was a good warning about not using a forstner bit in a router.

Brice I had an opportunity to use the 5mm router bit and was impressed by the quality of the holes.

Now I have some decisions to make.

Vijay

 

[Emer Construction]

I'm at the same point also.  Used the LR32 in the class last week and decided i needed it.  Since I already have clamps and an extra systainer, I'll go with the lr32 set and order a 5mm bit and the systainer insert. 

 

[rnt80]

Question
Are linear stops the same as edge stops?  

Answer:  No.  The Edge Stops are the armature things that offset the guide rail from the front/back edge.
The linear stop is the little metal oval tab that offsets the guide rail from the top/bottom edge.   (Honestly, I find these names backwards, IMO)

So for about $ 220 extra you get a systainer, two clamps, two  5mm router bits and one 35 mm bit.  Is this correct?
Also are there 2 linear stops with the second kit or not?

Answer:  Yes.
See here related to both questions:   http://festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/lr32-part-number-kit-question/

Based on that thread and Shane's answers I ordered the $205 kit and sure enough, the linear stops are in there.  But they are not pictured *anywhere* except the $425 kit photo.

Regarding costs:
Keep in mind, the clamps are $35, the Festool 35mm bit is about $70, the Festool 5mm bits are about $30 each, $58 systainer, and the insert to hold it all (about $10).  Or $233 total.
You *can* use a different 5mm bit.  You could also use a 35mm Forstner bit in a drill.   I do not know of anyone else that sells a 35mm *router* bit.   You should not chuck a Forstner bit into a router...

Why is that?  I have the lr32 set and have used the 35mm bit in my 1400 a couple of times.  Am I creating unnecessary risk by doing so?

 

[peter halle]

Russell,

Perhaps you misunderstood the post.  I believe that they are saying that you should not use a Forstner Drill bit in a router due to the fact that they aren't designed for the speed or stress.

Peter

 

[Wood_Junkie]

I believe that they are saying that you should not use a Forstner Drill bit in a router due to the fact that they aren't designed for the speed or stress.

Correct, an off the shelf Forstner *drill bit* is not usually precision balanced like a router bit would be and might not hold up to the much-faster router stresses.  
I slightly modified my post up above to clarify this drill vs. router bit distinction.

Drill bit normal recommendation:  3/4" Forstner drill bit is 1200 rpm for hardwood.  35mm = 1 3/8" diameter Forstner bit, so slower would be recommended (I could not find a specific source with a speed recommendation)

Routers:  Most of them are about run about 6000 rpm minimum, and top out around 30,000 rpm.  A big bit that fractures or blows apart at this speed would be very dangerous.

 

[CList]

Not to mention the fact that forestner bits have "side walls" to help guide the bit, but hole-boring router bits do not since the router does the guiding. Those side walls would get mighty hot at 6000RPM.

Do a search on "hinge boring router bit" on google and you'll find a few different brands, with "Magnate" and "Woodline" being some of the cheapest. Unfortunately it's often hard to tell if they're made for a drill or for a router w/o studying the shape. If it isn't explicitly stated on the page or the product name. Some rule of thumb I've noticed; if the sides are more vertical, if it has a 10mm shank, if it says "self centering" or "brad point", it's probably a drill bit. If it's a "Forestner bit", it's definitely drill-only. If none of those things apply, the shank is short, and the sides angle in, it's probably a router bit.

E.g., compare this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000P4LJ5G/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0006TP9MO&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=02PRPZBCAH57SZ4VDVWA

To this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00069IHNW/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000P4JH3C&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0CNPATRG7ZYFF4B1522W

I *think* the first one is for drills and "boring machines", but the second is definitely a router bit.

OTOH, looking at this page:
http://routerbitworld.com/PhotoDetails.asp?ShowDesc=N&PhotoURL=http%3A//images.timberlinetools.com/DESC/Amana-Catalog-page147.jpg

...it's hard to see a difference between the drill bits and the router bit - other than the length.

Perhaps some more experienced folks could shed more light on notable differences between "hinge boring bits" (non-forestner) and "hinge boring router bits".

Cheers,
CList

 

[tbellemare]

I feel I may have been deceptive in my above post, but it wasn't intentional...

Like Wood_Junkie stated, boring bits, for boring machines, are run slower. Router bits are run a lot faster - by about a factor of 10.

The hinge boring bits that CMT sells are designed for boring machines.

Tom

BTW: I am editing the above entry to make it clearer.

 

[wow]

...what is the operating wrench? Is it the allen wrench or something else.

Vijay

I am resurrecting this thread because I don't see that this question was ever answered, and I have the same question myself. Can anyone answer this?

BTW, I searched the archives, ekat, and google and didn't find the answer...

 

[tbellemare]

It's an Allen wrench used to adjust the stops.

Tom