Mafell on sale by Timber Wolf tools

[Michael Kellough]

Found this at Timberwolf, don’t recall if it’s been mentioned.

QUESTION:  What if I recently purchased one of these products at a higher price?

ANSWER:  If (1) you purchased one of these five tools in 2019 at a higher price, and (2) you now go ahead and purchase another new Mafell tool by the end of September 2019:  Timberwolf Tools will give you $150 off your order.  Simply write "$150 Off" in the Order Comments when placing your next online order.  Imagine that your next purchase is also one of these five tools, and you will see hundreds of dollars in savings!  Call us at 1-800-869-4169 if you have any questions about this promotion and we will build a special quote for you.

 

[thudchkr]

Found this at Timberwolf, don’t recall if it’s been mentioned.

QUESTION:  What if I recently purchased one of these products at a higher price?

ANSWER:  If (1) you purchased one of these five tools in 2019 at a higher price, and (2) you now go ahead and purchase another new Mafell tool by the end of September 2019:  Timberwolf Tools will give you $150 off your order.  Simply write "$150 Off" in the Order Comments when placing your next online order.  Imagine that your next purchase is also one of these five tools, and you will see hundreds of dollars in savings!  Call us at 1-800-869-4169 if you have any questions about this promotion and we will build a special quote for you.

This applied to me. I purchased the MT55 earlier this year and took this opportunity to pick up the P1 CC. Got an additional $150 on my order.  Definitely nice to get that retroactive discount.

 

[ScotF]

I have been a long time Mafell user - I will sum it up this way - Mafell's tools are an everything you need, nothing you don't kind of philosophy. They have limited accessories, but they are becoming more widespread. There are a few places that offer rails squares now and one of those companies now has parallel guides. As these tools become more popular, I am sure that there will be more. I am fortunate to have both Mafell and Festool and have choices. Both companies make great tools and compliment each other nicely. I will be picking up a couple of new tools with this sale before it ends and take advantage of these crazy discounts. Having competitive choices are a very good thing.

 

[PeterJJames13]

Found this at Timberwolf, don’t recall if it’s been mentioned.

QUESTION:  What if I recently purchased one of these products at a higher price?

ANSWER:  If (1) you purchased one of these five tools in 2019 at a higher price, and (2) you now go ahead and purchase another new Mafell tool by the end of September 2019:  Timberwolf Tools will give you $150 off your order.  Simply write "$150 Off" in the Order Comments when placing your next online order.  Imagine that your next purchase is also one of these five tools, and you will see hundreds of dollars in savings!  Call us at 1-800-869-4169 if you have any questions about this promotion and we will build a special quote for you.

This applied to me. I purchased the MT55 earlier this year and took this opportunity to pick up the P1 CC. Got an additional $150 on my order.  Definitely nice to get that retroactive discount.

Same here, except I got the DDF40. Can't wait to use it!

 

[jeh]

Same here, except I got the DDF40. Can't wait to use it!

You won't be disappointed at what it can. Takes some time to figure out the functionality. Manual is written like the Festool ones so don't expect much.

 

[PeterJJames13]

Awesome - I think I'm going to get my scraps together and dive in this weekend. Really curious as to how well it aligns and how to plunge vs a domino.

 

[Cheese]

Yeah I know exactly what you’re saying Cheese, they seem to leave no stone unturned with development and design. My MT55 has some great touches, one that comes to mind is the bevel lock, it only has one lock at the front. Well it does have front and rear but, the rear is operated simultaneously with the front.

Here's a great example, even the Systainer 1 insert is looked at as it's arranged in 4 levels.
Level 1 holds the parallel fence, it's that red piece of plastic on the LH side that's connected to the steel bar.
Level 2 holds the optional blade assortment pack

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Level 3 holds the optional tilting base
Level 4 holds the jigsaw and its cord

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Because of the layered packaging approach, I can also keep:
9 packages of Festool wood blades
1 package of Festool wavy blades
4 packages of Milwaukee metal blades
A 10" long Bosch blade
An owners manual

All in a SYS 1

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[ScotF]

My set up is the same as [member=44099]Cheese[/member]. But I also have a couple of the wooden screw clamps for Mafell/Bosch rails in mine too - it is a well organized Systainer.

 

[Kodi Crescent]

In terms of the nickel and diming and the aftermarket accessories, I think that perception may be a little colored.  If you look at it the other way, Mafell may give you a circle cutting jig but the price of the saw is higher.  Festool offers it as an added option but the price of the saw is lower.  If you don't need it, you have an option to omit with Festool. 

Regarding the aftermarket accessories, first, Festool offers a broader variety of tools and other workshop items than Mafell.  Their larger presence and service in the US also appeal to a larger audience.  It's that audience I believe encourages the cottage industry of aftermarket accessories, not necessarily some inherent weakness.  In some instances, Mafell would benefit from these as well, but for all purposes, there aren't enough potential users of the platform to justify the development of the products.  Take an 90 degree rail square such as that offered by TSO.  Mafell users would benefit from it just as much as Festool users.  It's not an inherent weakness in the tool, just a different way to use it. 

One more point regarding the KSS40 batteries.  It seems they are 94 watt hour batteries vs. 99 watt hour batteries with the MT55 kit.  Obviously the capacity difference is marginal, however, there may be other changes to the battery, such as higher discharge rates, that make one battery more suitable for the MT55.  I don't know, I just noticed that difference when scrutinizing the pricing differences, but since I'm not in the market for either one, I didn't dig deeper.  If you're thinking about going down this road it might be worth asking a few more questions before taking the leap.

I called Timberwolf regarding the KSS40 batteries.  They aren't the same as what you'd get with the MT55.  They'll work, but other battery types will work better.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the Festool nickel-dining you to death.  I think with Festool you have to spend a lot of time building jigs to realize some capability or overcome some shortcoming.  I'm not experiencing that with the Mafell, at least not yet.

 

[blaszcsj]

I bit the bullet on a P1cc today after I sold my carvex. I hope it lives up to the hype, difficult to purchase an expensive tool without laying my hands on it first.

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] yes, not too shabby at all, it really is an amazing, and well thought out way, of using quite a limited amount of space. They make it look so easy too.
If you saw all the contents of the Systainer sitting on a bench top, it would be hard to accept that it would all fit in, and so neatly too.

What are your thoughts on the P1, I know about five or six owners that all say they really are the best?

 

[ScotF]

The P1CC is a dream saw - it really does work as well as others say and I have owned/currently own many of the top models. I would buy a new one if something happened to mine - plenty smooth and powerful and dead-nuts square. The base has a couple of positions to get close to the front of the foot and you can reverse the blade and cut backwards since there are no guides or rollers.

The only thing not on this saw is a light - but that is not a huge deal to me.

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

[member=6605]ScotF[/member] The lack of illumination at the cutting point, is the only negative comment I’ve ever heard about the saw.
From what I’ve seen, they really are the best.

 

[Cheese]

What are your thoughts on the P1, I know about five or six owners that all say they really are the best?

It's a slick saw, my only complaint is the lack of on-board LEDs. 

I recently used it for putting a full radius on the end of 2 x 4 cedar studs. In that application, you're cutting such a tight radius that you're basically planting the saw in one position and then pivoting the saw around that position. Neither my Trion or Carvex could handle the cut without the blade wandering way off line. The P1 cc completed the cut perfectly and the edge was also square. The cut was done using a Festool wood blade and not the "double wide" Mafell blade.

Here's a recent shot of a radius cut on a 5/4" walnut cutting board. Again using a standard Mafell blade.

Also worth noting is the smoothness of the cut. You can just barely see the vertical blade marks.

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[Jiggy Joiner]

That is amazing for a jig saw, even a top notch one. The other thing that fascinates me with the saw, is how vertical they cut, and don’t wander like many other makes of jig saws do.

I guess the lack of LED is a niggle, especially for me, a few years back, not a problem but, my eyes need all the extra help now. It wouldn’t stop me buying one though.
Not sure there’s anything close to one but, I guess the Carvex is in second place but, by a fair margin (in my opinion)
To be fair though, I am unashamedly a fan of Mafell.

 

[Roachmill]

Ordered one today and you lot are most certainly to blame. So, thanks, I guess

I started with *blushes* Black & Decker, then DeWalt, a couple of Makitas and a Trion. The only one I got on with was the brushless 18v Makita (with LED!) but it will wonder on occasion. The Trion was used only for the CMS insert (you can't see where it's going freehand) and the B&D was down to beginners ignorance.

I didn't go for the rail package as, impressive as the the ability to straight cut at 90 is, a circular saw is going to win that battle in most cases.

There's what looks to be a great source of blade alternatives on the Mafell users forum here:https://bit.ly/2SXBjoU From a quick skim they've compiled a list of identical blades to the Mafell ones for a lot less than the Mafell branded ones.

Edit: I give up. The link to the Mafell users forum gets automangled by this forum no matter what I do. PM me if you want the link.

Edit #2: Used bit.ly to get the URL working.

 

[ScotF]

Here are a couple of videos I shot using the P1CC when I first got it a few years back.
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[RKA]

Something puzzles me about the P1CC videos I saw. For solid wood, no zero clearance insert is being used, sometimes on finished pieces.  And the results appear to be good?!  Are you really seeing that?  Or is this Hollywood magic?

 

[Cheese]

Something puzzles me about the P1CC videos I saw. For solid wood, no zero clearance insert is being used, sometimes on finished pieces.  And the results appear to be good?!  Are you really seeing that?  Or is this Hollywood magic?

Raj, this walnut was cut without an insert using the Mafell W+P2 blade. The blade is recommended for solid wood, particle board, ply & plastics. This cut was direct from the saw, I just laid down the saw and placed the square in position. You can still see the pencil line that I was cutting to.

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[RKA]

That's crazy!  I never use my carvex without a ZC insert unless I'm just rough cutting.  And usually I'm not confident enough in the cut quality anyway (as most would be), so I'm backing off curves 1/8-1/4 and use a router table and templates to get the finished product.  That adds time and extra steps.  Even the dust collection seemed better judging by some of the videos I watched last night.  Another area where I've just come to accept it's useless on jigsaws.