Mafell P1cc Jigsaw

[woodie]

Mafell needs a broader dealer network in the US, if there is a repair needed does it go back to EU?

I do agree on this one.  The guys at Timberwolf Tools are great to deal with but having a few locations spread out across the US would certainly help with shipping times.  It's only 3 days for FedEx ground from Maine to me, but California would be 5 days.  As for service, I'm not sure where the tool goes.  I did ask the question when I bought my jigsaw but the only part of the response I remember was "we've never had a P1cc in for service."  I laughed and asked if it was because I was only the second guy to buy one [wink].

 

[Paul G]

Thank you very much woodie for the video, it clearly showed me my options with the Festool rails which is exactly what I needed, and was about how I was guessing it would work.

 

[Jalvis]

Thats a good video.

Supposedly the Jigsaw and MT 55 are some of there most popular tools sold in the USA.  I'm not surprised considering there also some of the least expensive!

 

[fidelfs]

How long is the warranty for the mafell?

 

[Jalvis]

Three years.  Although I've heard that the USA dealer has extended the warranty period for Timber Frame equipment, but I think it depends on the problem.

http://www.mafell.de/en/service/extra-services.html

 

[festnoob]

Bro I am so torn between the Carvex, which I have not yet tried and the Mafell which has nothing but excellent reviews. Other than in these threads mentioning it is almost blasphemy.

 

[festnoob]

Also, can anyone tell me what comes standard with the p1cc

 

[fidelfs]

Standard Equipment
• MaxiMax carrying case
• 3 jigsaw blades, CUnex W1, W2, W+P2
• Base plate for 90° cuts
• Hose connector
• Chip deflector
• Splinter guard
• Parallel fence
• Main Cable 4m (13.1 ft)

the only extras are: more blades, tilting plate and more splinter guard.

  this video shows the standard equipment.

 

[festnoob]

I called timberwolf and I think I am pretty convinced on the p1cc. The only thing holding me back now is the total of $799 for saw and tilting base. So far the Carvex is costing me $565 with accessory kit, but I guess I can return prior to 30 days. I think I'll give the Carvex a try being I preordered and I really like my dealer, but I cannot honestly see how festool can make a claim to being the best jigsaw without comparing it with what has already been considered the best for a few years. I like the ability to tilt and make bevel cuts using the guide rail.

 

[Paul G]

I called timberwolf and I think I am pretty convinced on the p1cc. The only thing holding me back now is the total of $799 for saw and tilting base. So far the Carvex is costing me $565 with accessory kit, but I guess I can return prior to 30 days. I think I'll give the Carvex a try being I preordered and I really like my dealer, but I cannot honestly see how festool can make a claim to being the best jigsaw without comparing it with what has already been considered the best for a few years. I like the ability to tilt and make bevel cuts using the guide rail.

I wouldn't get hung up regarding the "best" marketing spin, what is best is the tool that best meets your needs, but I agree that absent a real world comparison that includes the Mafell the comparisons are left wanting. I too am torn between these two jigsaws, for now I can wait a while longer until these two are put head to head.

 

[festnoob]

I called timberwolf and I think I am pretty convinced on the p1cc. The only thing holding me back now is the total of $799 for saw and tilting base. So far the Carvex is costing me $565 with accessory kit, but I guess I can return prior to 30 days. I think I'll give the Carvex a try being I preordered and I really like my dealer, but I cannot honestly see how festool can make a claim to being the best jigsaw without comparing it with what has already been considered the best for a few years. I like the ability to tilt and make bevel cuts using the guide rail.

I wouldn't get hung up regarding the "best" marketing spin, what is best is the tool that best meets your needs, but I agree that absent a real world comparison that includes the Mafell the comparisons are left wanting. I too am torn between these two jigsaws, for now I can wait a while longer until these two are put head to head.

Ultimately that's what I'll do but I'll test run the Carvex for 29 days and who knows I might like it

 

[woodie]

The Mafell tilting base is quite the investment, though in my opinion it has three advantages over the upcoming Festool base.
1 - It's designed to work on a guide rail.
2 - You have almost twice the surface area of the standard Mafell base making contact with your workpiece. This lets you focus on the cutline, not balancing the saw.
3 - It's easy to set the saw to a specific angle. There are even two detents, one at 22.5˚ and one at 45˚.

 

[jonathan-m]

I don't know how it works with Timberwolf, but over here in the EU you can also test Mafell tools totally free of charge. If so, you could easily do some head to head tests yourself.

The biggest problem with these tests is that there's always going to be someone to discredit it in some way or another. Saying the setup isn't correct, bad tool manipulation, calling it biased on brand loyalty, whatnot, ... The only true measure is using both tools yourself and deciding what works best for you. In the end it's all about personal prefrence.

I also think you shouldn't be influenced by the big marketing pushes. Every manufacturer will claim their stuff is the best & greatest. Take a look at which components and mechanisms are actually completely new or have changed compared to the previous models and if that engineering is better than the other offerings out there.

 

[Paul G]

I don't know how it works with Timberwolf, but over here in the EU you can also test Mafell tools totally free of charge. If so, you could easily do some head to head tests yourself.

I'd love that, how does that work in the EU, do you do the testing in the store or somehow they loan it to you? Here in the US there is only one dealer of Mafell with one store in Maine (over 3,000 miles away) and their return policy is 30 days for unused tools only, makes things kinda difficult.

 

[jonathan-m]

Over here in the EU you can simply download a simple form like this one
Mafell & said dealer then arrange for the tool to be sent to you for 30 days. At the end of the 30 day trial you buy it or you send it back.

In you situation however, I think your best bet is to simply place a phone call to timberwolf tools & ask them about it.

 

[fidelfs]

I did call him, but he refuse to do it.  We will need more Mafell dealers in USA.

I guess if there is a real interest to the tools then some new dealers will step up, if they see a potential.  I wish I had the money to start that.

I will try to write directly to Mafell and explain that we need something similar that EU.

 

[Paul G]

I did call him, but he refuse to do it.  We will need more Mafell dealers in USA.

I guess if there is a real interest to the tools then some new dealers will step up, if they see a potential.  I wish I had the money to start that.

I will try to write directly to Mafell and explain that we need something similar that EU.

It's possible Timberwolf has exclusive distribution for the whole US/N. America market.

 

[fidelfs]

I just sent a message to Mafell and see what happen.  I have nothing against Timberwolf tools, but I think he is making a disservice to the customers and his own company, not given the same as the EU dealers.

I understand it is up to each dealer, but I would do it if I was on the business and this will help me penetrate the USA market.

 

[Kev]

I just sent a message to Mafell and see what happen.  I have nothing against Timberwolf tools, but I think he is making a disservice to the customers and his own company, not given the same as the EU dealers.

I understand it is up to each dealer, but I would do it if I was on the business and this will help me penetrate the USA market.

Good luck - their tools may be ok, but as an organisation I found them lacking in manners and very objectionable in attitude!

 

[tbellemare]

I did call him, but he refuse to do it.  We will need more Mafell dealers in USA.

I guess if there is a real interest to the tools then some new dealers will step up, if they see a potential.  I wish I had the money to start that.

I will try to write directly to Mafell and explain that we need something similar that EU.

It's possible Timberwolf has exclusive distribution for the whole US/N. America market.

They do.

Tom