Mafell P1cc Jigsaw

[hemdale]

Love this "circular cut" feature [emoji14][emoji106]

 

[Holmz]

... but can the Mafell jigsaw ride the Festool rail?
...

Reminds me of a blue blues song with the hobos riding the rail.
"The New Panama Limited", is a modern example.

Or someone could write a blue song about FT rails.
"I missed my connection blues".

 

[pingvinlakrits]

Love this "circular cut" feature [emoji14][emoji106]

I will actually try this tomorrow. Totally forgot about that feature!

 

[Wuffles]

Love this "circular cut" feature [emoji14][emoji106]

I will actually try this tomorrow. Totally forgot about that feature!

Things I miss by refusing to read manuals. I might try it too, was completely unaware.

 

[joiner1970]

@ Tom + Ghost: I'm guessing you can't have the splinter guard installed while using the coping foot ?
Did you notice any splinter issues ?

One mistake a lot of users make is to try to use a fine toothed blade for coping with the Coping Foot. It may sound counterintuitive, but my best results have been with rather aggressive blades, as they tend to be more stout and can stand up to tighter turns.

I realized that recently. I have been using the tiny little Bosch laminate blades that allow you to do tight turns. Then while using my new cordless carvex I tried a scribe (cope) with a trion blade. Well it actually worked better , as you say they're stiffer so don't twist like the smaller blades.

 

[CumminsDiesel]

I can do it with ANY jig saw ! Whats a point ?

 

[GhostFist]

I think the point is that you set a pin right in the base to do this specific radius. It's just another feature of the saw.

 

[pingvinlakrits]

VaDimZH:

The point is: the point!

It has a point/needle under the sole which sets the radius to the standard hole saw for ac outlets. It is not "necessary to have" on a jigsaw - but it is clever!

 

[Job and Knock]

Mhea... I don't see what all the fuss is about...
For starters, if it doesn't take the Collins Coping Foot- you can keep it...

What is the fuss all about?

Try this on any other jigsaw (135mm diameter in 1-1/2in scaffold board - not soft, easy to cut chipboard like most people demo with):

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The Collins foot is now available (in the UK from Toolovation  - they also sell models for the Carvex and generic jigsaws) and I have one  ;D  Nobody needs one - until they have to scribe quantities of massive oak cornice (crown) mouldings. Thanks to Tom Gensmer for making it possible  [not worthy]

Te P1cc is out and out the most powerful jigsaw out there. It also has a superb angle base which allows you to cut left sides, then swap the base round to make identical right-side cuts. This can be brilliant when making complex scribes - the Collins foot diesn't do everything. Oh, and the P1cc bases attach and adjust without the need for tools. Not so bothered about the track, but pretty accurate with a W1 and the (Mafell) track

I've had mine 9 months. It replaced a Bosch GST135BCE which was bought in comparison to a Trion. I looked at the Carvex, too, but it wasn't for me

Only downside to the P1cc is the price - that  was a massive ask for any tool and stalled my purchase several times.

 

[waho6o9]

Maybe a square on the cut scaffold board could show how square the P1cc cuts,

if you have the time, thanks job and Knock.

 

[nickao]

Mhea... I don't see what all the fuss is about...
For starters, if it doesn't take the Collins Coping Foot- you can keep it...

What is the fuss all about?

Try this on any other jigsaw (135mm diameter in 1-1/2in scaffold board - not soft, easy to cut chipboard like most people demo with):

[attachimg=1]

The Collins foot is now available (in the UK from Toolovation  - they also sell models for the Carvex and generic jigsaws) and I have one  ;D  Nobody needs one - until they have to scribe quantities of massive oak cornice (crown) mouldings. Thanks to Tom Gensmer for making it possible  [not worthy]

Te P1cc is out and out the most powerful jigsaw out there. It also has a superb angle base which allows you to cut left sides, then swap the base round to make identical right-side cuts. This can be brilliant when making complex scribes - the Collins foot diesn't do everything. Oh, and the P1cc bases attach and adjust without the need for tools. Not so bothered about the track, but pretty accurate with a W1 and the (Mafell) track

I've had mine 9 months. It replaced a Bosch GST135BCE which was bought in comparison to a Trion. I looked at the Carvex, too, but it wasn't for me

Only downside to the P1cc is the price - that  was a massive ask for any tool and stalled my purchase several times.

Well I bought the Mafell, I tried it for a week and I am back to my Bosch. The darn Mafell barrel grips are horrible for me, just as are all the other barrel grips.  If I cant control the speed with the trigger and if I cant get my hand around the thing and if I can't stop the blade from moving with the one hand I am holding the jig(meaning my trigger finger) it's an 800.00 piece of metal sitting on my bench.

Sorry, but the Bosch is still the king of jigs and until Mafell makes a D handle(if they do I cant find one) the Bosch will always be the king of the hill for 50% of all woodworkers that can't stand not being able to hold the tool and control the speed and STOP the cut with a fingers touch.

I recently tested 5 different jig saws(corded) , my conclusion, the Bosch is my favorite. It leaves the best cut top and bottom, does the best dust collection,  is the simplest to control by a huge margin and if price is factored in, well its not even close.

This week I am testing cordless jig saws and right now have 4 cordless versions. I am testing against the corded Bosch and still none of them touch the Bosch, not even the cordless Bosch itself. So back they go as well. One thing I have learned is there isn't one cordless jig that compares to any of the corded jigs yet. Not if dust collection and rpm/power ratio's are considered.

The Mafell may cut deep and square, that's great, but the Bosch is near as good and for the majority of everything else(actually everything else), in my hand the Bosch is king.

 

[rvieceli]

[member=3373]Dovetail65[/member] which Bosch Jig are you using? Thinking about upgrading mine.

thanks

Ron

 

[ScotF]

If you do not like barrel grip saws, this the Mafell is not the choice. But, it cuts better than any other jigsaw hands down in my experience. Thick or thin stock, curves, straight, you name it - the cut quality is unsurpassed by anything else I have tried. Now, I actually really like barrel grip saws and do not need the feather-trigger in the work I do and if I did, then I too would want a top-handle. I actually looked at and considered on the JS572 in top-handle when they first came out and opted for the barrel grip of the same saw. I like it as well, but it does not come close to the Mafell in cut-quality or squareness of cut. I also have a Carvex and owned and sold a Trion earlier this year.

I think that the Bosch is a great saw and agree that it will meet the needs of many people. I use my jigsaw for joinery cuts that are awkward for a bandsaw or require jigs and complicated TS set-ups and so I can trust the Mafell for perfect cuts in these scenarios and it is worth every penny.

 

[Lbob131]

Festool should copy  the p1cc design  and  make  some improvements.
Like increase  the space  between  the  plunger  and work  surface  so that there is more visibility  to see the cutting line.
And make a D handle version. And of course offer it at a cheaper price.

 

[Holmz]

Festool should copy  the p1cc design  and  make  some improvements.
Like increase  the space  between  the  plunger  and work  surface  so that there is more visibility  to see the cutting line.
And make a D handle version. And of course offer it at a cheaper price.

Is the patent is 25 years?

Competition is good for the consumers.

 

[Lbob131]

No idea.
I thought when you changed the design slightly  then patents don't stand?

Did fein have a patent  for the multitool?
Was glad to see  them knocked of their perch with that tool. Only a matter of time before mafell is too.

Fein, Festool, Bosch, Metabo  and  Mafell. All made in  Germany afaik.

 

[Job and Knock]

Well I bought the Mafell, I tried it for a week and I am back to my Bosch. The darn Mafell barrel grips are horrible for me, just as are all the other barrel grips.  If I cant control the speed with the trigger and if I cant get my hand around the thing and if I can't stop the blade from moving with the one hand I am holding the jig(meaning my trigger finger) it's an 800.00 piece of metal sitting on my bench.

You don't like barrel grips. So you'll never like the P1cc. Period. In Germany, where the P1cc originates, barrel grips are actually pretty common in the same way that D-handles are the norm for site use in the UK where I work, except for kitchen fitters where barrel grips are gaining ground fast - and if you ever need to do a 6ft scribe in a 40mm wide strip you'll understand just why they are preferred by certain trades. Like most tradesmen I tend to set the fastest useable speed and most appropriate pendulum before making a cut then just run with it - no hesitation or deviation - to the end of the cut. Rarely need to do trapped cuts, but if I do I simply reverse the saw slightly at which point the orbital action stops as well. And I keep hearing from people about the need to be able to change cutting speed on the fly but I don't ever see guys doing it. Why is this?

I recently tested 5 different jig saws(corded) , my conclusion, the Bosch is my favorite. It leaves the best cut top and bottom, does the best dust collection

The cut quality is probably more down to the blade choice in my experience. As for dust extraction - well both the Carvex and the P1cc are ahead of the Bosch GST135BCE, GST140CE and GST160CE. I tried them all out with MDF and chipboard using T101B and T101BR blades before buying a P1cc and that was my conclusion

 

[Job and Knock]

Maybe a square on the cut scaffold board could show how square the P1cc cuts,

Those are long gone, I'm afraid. They were cut as a favour for one of our scaffolders (hence the scaffolding board). They did roll across the top of a relatively flat workbench in a straight line, too. I will try to make some similar cuts this week and show how square the P1cc can cut - probably scaffolding board or softwood because we are still in that phase of this project

 

[antss]

Yes, Fein invented the multi tool and held patents freezing out competitors til about 2010. 

No, slight changes don't circumvent a patent. What would be the point of a patent then ?

Fein still enjoys the perch, but others are climbing the tree.  Which is good. Fein's tool remained relatively unchanged for the life of the patent getting only minor cosmetic and power refinements for the first thirty years.
In the last 7-8 we've seen them introduce no less than 4 different models, develop two quick blade change systems, significantly boost power and blade arc, add dust collection, design a plunge mechanism and depth stop, introduce a cordless version, and a model with isolated motor / vibration damping chassis.  All while still managing to make a tool in an EU country that lasts decades in a professional environment.  Price has gone down too.  The new competition has also built a new market for blades that these machines use. 

I doubt Mafell's status is in jeopardy either.  It's pretty hard for a newcomer and risky for a lower established player to say to investors that they want to make the bestest, fastest, most expensive tricked out widget that will sell in low numbers , oh and there is already a competitor.

 

[waho6o9]

Maybe a square on the cut scaffold board could show how square the P1cc cuts,

Those are long gone, I'm afraid. They were cut as a favour for one of our scaffolders (hence the scaffolding board). They did roll across the top of a relatively flat workbench in a straight line, too. I will try to make some similar cuts this week and show how square the P1cc can cut - probably scaffolding board or softwood because we are still in that phase of this project

Appreciate the consideration!