Make your own color matched caulking

ForumMFG

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I have a question about color matched caulking but first I would like to tell you about a really neat product our there for people who do cabinet, trim, millwork installs.

At my company we fabricate custom millwork and do our own installing.  After the install is complete we are most of the time responsible for the caulking if the painter does not have caulking in his contract.  We use a color match caulking system.  It's really nice to be able to mix a tube of caulk to match your product or the color of the walls.  It makes the job look a lot nicer and it kind of makes the job go a little faster.  Typically we would caulk our product and then the painter would come in behind us to do his final coat and paint over the white latex caulking that would normally be used.  Now, the painter or ourselves can do the caulking at any point because it's already color matched.  The system we use is made by Red Devil.  It's called Create-A-Color Caulk.  Basically, they make a special formulated caulk that will accept paint.  You ask the painter for some of his water based paint, about 10 cc.  Remove the bottom of the caulking tube and insert the paint.  The kit comes with a syringe.  You then take the mixer that comes with the kit and mix it.  It's quick and easy and when your done mixing, you put the bottom back in and your ready to go..  It's a really nice system.  The mixing kit is $30 and each tube of caulk is $5 or $60 per case.  Now that is really expensive but when you need color matched caulk to get out of a jam, then it's worth it.

My Question is, I had a idiot installer just use a regular tube of DAP paintable latex sealant caulking and mixed it with paint instead of using the Red Devil caulking that is designed to accept paint.  He caulked the whole job with this stuff.  Does anyone know if I will have problems later on down the road with this job because my installer used regular DAP latex caulking mixed with paint?  I'm going to e-mail DAP and see what they say but it can be weeks before I get a response.

Anyway,  I just wanted to let you guys know about this product, it can save your but some times, make a job look really good and it could speed things up.

CLICK HERE for the link to RED DEVIL

-Dave
 
the first question is did the color match up?

if it did  consider mixing up more at the shop and putting some on a board outside with some like tinted color match caulk for a weather test..........check both in 6 months  you may have stumbled on a $$$savings idea..............it is likely that the addded cost of the red devil product is pure profit to the maker for providing a unique solution.

Craig
 
Charimon,

Thats not the case.

I just got off the phone with DAP (I can't believe someone was in on Saturday) and they said we basically ruined the whole job.  You are not suppose to mix paint with any of DAP products or anyone elses products.  If you could, it would say right on the tube that you can mix paint with it.  Those products are formulated to accept paint and thats why they cost extra.  I'm sure there is quite a bit of profit there but maybe not as much as you think.

-Dave
 
ForumMFG said:
Charimon,

Thats not the case.

I just got off the phone with DAP (I can't believe someone was in on Saturday) and they said we basically ruined the whole job.  You are not suppose to mix paint with any of DAP products or anyone elses products.  If you could, it would say right on the tube that you can mix paint with it.  Those products are formulated to accept paint and thats why they cost extra.  I'm sure there is quite a bit of profit there but maybe not as much as you think.

-Dave

That could very well be the case. But I'm sure you know there are a ton of products that claim to be something special and they charge a premium for that aren't anything different than their regular product. And the customer service rep isn't going to let you in on the secret.
 
ForumMFG said:
Charimon,

Thats not the case.

I just got off the phone with DAP (I can't believe someone was in on Saturday) and they said we basically ruined the whole job.  You are not suppose to mix paint with any of DAP products or anyone elses products.  If you could, it would say right on the tube that you can mix paint with it.  Those products are formulated to accept paint and thats why they cost extra.  I'm sure there is quite a bit of profit there but maybe not as much as you think.

-Dave

How so? Do they realize it's an interior job? Did they say the caulk is going to get moldy? It won't harden? What's the problem?
 
Mike,

They said it changes the properties of the caulk and eventually the caulk would need to be replaced because you will be able to see the defects in it.  Defects, I don't know what kind.  The guy starting talking about stuff I didn't uderstand.  All I understood was the fact that your not suppose to do this.  It voids their warrenty and it ruins the caulk.  I really don't care why, what, and how.  Not when I have to live up to a contract.
 
A slight deviation from the subject.  Has anybody ever read the label on a tube of caulking? You know the directions, warranty information, safety notices, etc?  It seems on the warranty side that it is a safe bet that someone isn't going to keep the empty tube of caulking for x number of years along with the receipt.  My guess is that most people don't.  For the few who do, don't you think that in 25 years if I file the claim for defective caulking and provide the tube and a receipt that the manufacturer is going to laugh in private and then send me X number of tubes of caulking?  A caulk warranty is about on the same level of a roof shingle warranty - written in dissolving ink on rice paper.

On a more humorous side; regarding the safety warnings on caulking tubes, I have had three helpers in 9 years.  About 5 years ago the helper I had (a neighbor's kid - trying to help them thru difficult times) asked if he could caulk some exterior trim and siding on a job.  I said sure, why not.  It was latex caulking.  He sat down and read the tube of caulking.  He then proceeded to go to the trailer and put on latex gloves.  He came back and asked where the dust masks were.  I must have had a real stupid look on my face when I turned around and asked him why he wanted a mask.  He replied that he had read the warning labels on the tube and that the caulking contained silicates that had been proven to cause cancer...  I swear I almost fell off the ladder.  Somehow I kept a straight face and told him to go to the trailer and get a mask that was located in bin such and such.

I watched him caulk for at least on hour until his next break.  I watched him go back and get 5 or 6 pairs of gloves.  I saw him sweating because of the mask.  Finally on his break I asked him if he intended to inject the caulking up his nose today.  He said no - of course not.  I then told him he looked stupid in the mask and that the risk was probably statistically low that he could inhale silicates from wet caulking unless he snorted it or picked his nose. 

I had my fun.  I redid everything he did the next day.  As an employer it was probably stupid on my part but otherwise it was priceless.  Kinda gives the expression "Goin to have a couple of snorts" a different meaning after something like this.

This is a true story.

Peter
 
My Dad was a high end installer for about 15 years and I went on a lot of jobs with him to help.  I remember dozens of times him making his own color caulking out of DAP.  He would cut the back of the tube off with a utility knife, squeeze all the white DAP out of the tube on a scrap board (mostly sink drop outs) and color the caulk with universal painters tints that he got in squeeze bottles from the painters supply store.  He would mix the caulk and the tints together on the board with a putty knife to get the right color and shade.  I believe he always colored just a bit lighter, as the colored caulk darkened slightly when dry.  He would scoop the colored caulk back into the tube with his putty knife from the back end, and then reseal the cut opened end of the tube with masking tape, several folds over the end and a couple of times around.  Then he would purge the tube of the remaining white caulk on a scrap and when the colored caulk started to come out, he'd caulk the job.  He always finished by wiping some of the colored caulk on the shoulder of the tube so he had a color reference if he wanted to use it again.
In the 15 years he was in the business, I never remember him having a call back for a caulking issue, and he did a lot of work for me in the several houses I owned and I never remember having trouble with any caulking, even around the bath tub and toilet which were "taupe" and he color caulked for me.

I find it very hard to believe that mixing paint with caulk would ruin it, it would just be harder to color because of the dilution of the pigments.  Woodcraft sells several types of tints and color pigments, but I would just use the universal tinting colors because of cost and variety.

Hope this helps

Jay
 
Jay Evans said:
My Dad was a high end installer for about 15 years and I went on a lot of jobs with him to help.  I remember dozens of times him making his own color caulking out of DAP........
Hope this helps

Jay

Jay, I'd be much more comfortable adding tints than paint. You old man's trick is interesting, thanks for sharing.
 
I am sure that Dap doesn't  bless the changing of any formulations  citing warranty / liability issues.  just like Festool doesn't bless the use of the parallel guide for crosscutting. ::) 

as stated before, tinting caulk has been going on long before Red Devil introduced this product earlier this year

I use 3-4 tubes or more a week of different custom color matching caulks (matching grout)  there are several suppliers who mix while you wait,  and I am very interested in making my own (air bubbles SUCK >:( >:( ). 

I like the idea of mixing with tint bases. wonder if you can add your own sand too :D

I looked up the Red Devil spec sheet.http://www.reddevil.com/pdfs/tds_0409.pdf

what is interesting is this caulk is a Clear acrylic  so unless your feild installer used clear it wouldn't match.

As to use i still say give it a shot  maybe with Poly seam seal clear.

Craig
 
Chairmon,

I have been buying red devil Create-A-Color Caulk for 2 1/2 years now and it's not clear, it's white.  So I think we might be talking about 2 different things considering whatever your talking about came out earlier this year.  Red Devil makes all different kinds of caulks so you make have clicked on the wrong page.

I know people have been doing this for a while, but since i'm under contract I wanted to hear what everyone had to say after I spoke with DAP.
 
If you take a better look at the spec sheet page 2 upper rt column  ;)  the color is white but dries clear.  This is normal for ALL clear acrylic caulks.  The Data Sheet is Dated July 1, 2009.  So  we are talking about the same caulk, it seems you were unaware of some of its characteristics.
 
Thats a really good price considering I buy direct from them at $5.00 each.

Glad I was able to help you out.
 
I see this is an old thread and I'm a new member so forgive me.

I use the Red Devil mixer to mix my own colors specific to the project (have for several years now).
When possible I will use their product (availability mainly), yet have used other quality paintable chalking with the same results.

Main issue, and reason for resurrecting this thread, is if your seeing the same and if you've cured it.
It needs to be caulked twice...
It always seems to be loose and shrinks..

I've reduced to 5-6ml of paint and still have good color.
Still need to caulk twice..

Just curious folks 

 
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