Manual mode on CT MINI/MIDI-I

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In reference to [member=8955]Coen[/member] 's concerns in the "What Festool did you buy today?" thread about his CT-MIDI not respecting the "Manual" button and switching off after his mains-connected drill stopped, I figured I would start a separate thread.

Here's the link to the original question:
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/...estool-did-you-buy-today/msg652926/#msg652926

And the original question/concern:

The new Midi I is a big PITA.... With the CTL 26 I just put it on manual on, attach dust extraction accessoire (eg Bosch GDE 162) to the wall, then start drilling with drill attached to CTL outlet. Now with the Midi I... it turns the vac off once I turn the drill off and the GDE 162 drops to the floor.

yes, using a mains tool on a new style midi turns off after 5 seconds, if you have turned it on manualy at the machine.  not so much with bluetooth.  i find it quite useful for my sander.  have it set high 4 track saw, then plug in sander turn on, set power to low, then fire up sander (plug hose in as well), and then you can stop and start without the vac wailing away in the background and shouting off the neighbours....

Bluetooth testing:

The new Midi I is a big PITA.... With the CTL 26 I just put it on manual on, attach dust extraction accessoire (eg Bosch GDE 162) to the wall, then start drilling with drill attached to CTL outlet. Now with the Midi I... it turns the vac off once I turn the drill off and the GDE 162 drops to the floor.

Grr!

So the tool-trigger overrides the manual on switch? because it is a push button rather than a turning knob?
I am looking to get a second extractor and trying to decide on either the Mini or the CT15. I'm not 100% sure I want to give up the bluetooth, but also not sure if it's that big of a deal on a secondary machine?

I'm curious about this.  I'll test this afternoon.  I have the hose-mount remote and used that to turn my MIDI-I on and off when using the drill dust extraction.  I have the BT batteries but since I knew I needed to precisely position the extraction to use the stop collar, I opted to use the hose remote instead to have two hands available.

[member=58857]Crazyraceguy[/member] :

Here are my setup and test results:

CT-MIDI-I
Bluetooth Remote button on hose
T-18+3 with 3.0 aH Bluetooth battery

1. Plugged in CT-MIDI-I (note: I never turn off the power switch on my MIDI-I)
2. Pressed MAN button on hose remote, MIDI cycled on.  Pressed MAN button on remote again, MIDI cycled off (this is normal and proved that it was working)
3. Pressed "pair" button on the remote button.  Pulled trigger on T-18, MIDI cycled on after ~1 second.  Released trigger, MIDI cycled off after ~3 seconds (this is normal)

T-18 Trigger:
4. Pulled trigger on T-18, MIDI cycled on after ~1 second.  Released trigger, MIDI cycled off after ~3 seconds (again, normal)

MAN Button on control panel:
5. Pressed "MAN" button on MIDI control panel.  MIDI cycled on.
6. Pulled trigger on T-18, Bluetooth receiver lit up on MIDI.  Released trigger, Bluetooth receiver light extinguished after ~3 seconds.  MIDI remained running.

MAN button on remote:
7. Pressed "MAN" button on remote.  MIDI cycled on.
8. Pulled trigger on T-18, Bluetooth receiver lit up on MIDI.  Released trigger, Bluetooth receiver light extinguished after ~3 seconds.  MIDI remained running.  Pressed "MAN" on remote again, MIDI cycled off.

I ran steps 5 & 6 three times, and 7 & 8 three times, and could not get the MIDI to cycle off after releasing the drill trigger when it was started with the MAN button on the control panel or on the remote button.

So the short answer for a drill shroud is to get the remote button for the hose end and use that to turn the MIDI on and off, or use the control panel if you can get to it.  The remote button is a $40 answer, but usable for so much more than this limited situation.

Also, I see now that the drill in question was plugged in to the MIDI.  I'm not surprised that the corded version shuts off the MIDI when the drill stops; there's no true "Manual" mode on the new MINI/MIDI.

For what it's worth, it appears that the CT-SYS works in a similar fashion, but even worse in that the mains plug is disabled if the vac is in Manual mode:

Downside of the CTL SYS is that when you switch it to manual-on the socket goes dead, so you can't reasonably use a corded drill with the SYS (use it as an extension cord, as it would make sense) while having the drill-nozzle in play as that either falls down the moment you take your finger from the trigger -or- the drill dosn't work...

 

[Coen]

I called Festool's repair department today and they told me it's broken and not intended this way and that I should drop it off at a dealer to send in under warranty and that they would replace the electronics.
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