MAY 2008: MFK 700 Modular Router

[nickao]

I think the first place American or Canadian should get the prize. This is in keeping with my idea that it is an Honorary win if someone out the US gets it and not a formal win to the contest. Otherwise the rules would have to be changed and then it is technically open to anyone which is not supposed to be the case I believe per Festool rules.

I think the contest should stay exactly as is and we just make it clear that any discussion on a non US person is not an official entry in terms of the contest and that we are just showing respect for their hard work.

Nickao

 

[Brice Burrell]

Would it be an idea to include everyone in the competition and if a non US FOG member wins, give the prize to a school or some organization that needs it.
That way no ones feelings get hurt. Matthew, the judges and festool can decide who the prize goes to.

just a thought.

 I like the idea of tools going to a charity or school, however, I like the idea of giving tools to forum members more, as it relates to this contest. I say we keep the contest rules as is, N. Americans only. My 2 cents.

 

[nickao]

Yes Brice I agree 100%.

 

[ROb McGilp]

Just like to say, the recognition of one's work is the thing that is most important. In countries other than the US, dealers don't even supply hats and T shirts!! So IMHO, we're not really missing out on anything anyway. Just give any OS project that happens to collect the most votes an Honorary mention and say no more. A N. A. wins, you recognise the foreigners and everyone is happy.

 

[joraft]

I hate excluding anyone.

I can understand why Festool-USA can't sponsor a contest for every country. What I'd like to see is Festool International kick in with some prizes for EVERYONE. Does anyone know someone we can call over there? Let's go right to the top with this. Who is the CEO?

We Americans are going to kick their butts anyway! ;D

I'm sure they know that, Nick. They're not American, so they're starting out at a disadvantage.  ;D ;D

John

 

[Bill Wyko]

Now that I know more about this contest I posted more details about the smaller Humidor. I'll add more details about the big one too.

 

[johne]

If Festool USA sponsors this it is logical they can not include non US members. Some have suggested to include non US members as possible honorary winners.

I suggested that if a non US member would win to donate the prize. But as some have posted it would be better if the prize went to forum members.

Since it is not possible to make everyone happy, the best idea would be to keep it US only. That means not including anyone outside US even for honorary purposes. (this would only complicate matters further)

I dont mind not being able to participate (wouldn't stand a chance anyway compared to what others on the forum do ;D)

But...

IF Festool Germany would sponsor and make it a worldwide competition,
then i am sure some US butts could be in for a kicking contrary to popular belief ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[nickao]

It will not complicate things at all.

What and how exactly will it complicate things? As I judge I do not mind at all looking at and writing about more projects. If Matthew says stop, then I just write my own threads for the projects out of country and I will not say anything about a contest,.

Everyone will know what I am talking about though. I am not excluding you or anyone else from comparing your projects against anyone else's.Unless you specifically tell me not to. And that is all it is, including everyone in a comparison, but only people meeting certain criteria can compete or win.

There are all kinds of races where some of the runners are competing for one ability level, others for another ability level and yet others that are not even eligible to win, but are allowed to run for themselves in the same race.

Matthew makes the final decisions here and I go with the flow.

Maybe I just will have another 186 post day and comment on every project ever submitted. I think the guys that know me know I can and will do it and maybe I should, just to get the criteria straightened out for the contest. That would be complicated then pciking a few of the best and commenting only on those.

Nickao

 

[johne]

Nickao,

Maybe complicating things was not the right choice of words, but why discuss the non US entries in the first place in regards to the competition?
They will be discussed as usual anyway.

 

[nickao]

Because they will be discussed using the same criteria and with the same respect the North Americans are getting. I certainly would want the same feedback from Jerry or any other member for my hard work. I just do not feel people will look at some projects and talk about them the same if they are already ruled out.

I just found a nice little project by dirty and if not for this contest I would never have sought it out. I can see myself going thru the member area just skipping the non North American threads completely because I am so busy. And really its rude.

But again, I will go with the flow for the contest judging and can do my own thing for the others. At least this month as a judge  anyway, I personally will look at everyones project and comment one way or another. If there were 3000 submissions I think your point would carry A LOT of weight, but there just is not going to be that many.

nickao

 

[Bill Wyko]

Just curious, when will the winners be posted? (now I have some incentive to really go build some cool stuff ;D) Good luck to everyone, there's some amazing talent here.

 

[johne]

Because they will be discussed using the same criteria and with the same respect the North Americans are getting.

That won't change but i see no need to include them in the discussion as to who wins the monthly prize since they are excluded. In other words no need to nominate them as potential winners.

 

[johne]

I just found a nice little project by dirty and if not for this contest I would never have sought it out. I can see myself going thru the member area just skipping the non North American threads completely because I am so busy. And really its rude.

nickao

It is not rude, if that is what the rules are.

 

[joraft]

True, maybe I will just feel bad. The rules in themselves can be rude even if they are followed.

Enough said by me on this subject, I have to get to looking at these projects!

Nick, be careful! Your prize for this contest might just be an ulcer. 

John

 

[Bill Wyko]

Above it says to submit my pics in this thread. Do I need to move my pics  here?

 

[Brice Burrell]

Bill, no, just post to your thread(s). A winner be picked at the end of the month and the contest starts again the first of the next month. All project will be eligible the next month's contest, except the winners.

 

[Bill Wyko]

I did go back and add some more information and pics to both post and I threw another piece into the mix too. This should be very fun. Myself I really like the doors that were posted. I used to be a custom home builder in San Diego back in the 80s. Those doors brought back some fond memories. ;D

 

[Matthew Schenker]

I did go back and add some more information and pics to both post and I threw another piece into the mix too.

That's the spirit -- just the kind of thing the contest is meant to do!
Keep up the good work,
Matthew

 

[nickao]

Ideas for criteria for the contest:

  1) design integrity
  2) craftsmanship
  3) joinery
  4) aesthetics
  5) comfort
  6) stability
  7) choice of materials
  8) construction methods
  9) attention to detail
10) accuracy of reproduction
11) design functionality
12) appeal
13) pictures and explanations
14) Festool usage

Since this is an open contest with no restrictions some of these will only apply to certain projects, like stability and comfort for chairs and tables, etc. Maybe we should choose only criteria that can be applied to all projects until a time the contest focuses on one type of project.

Which are the five best for this particular contest?

Nickao

 

[Scott W.]

Ideas for criteria for the contest:

  1) design integrity
  2) craftsmanship
  3) joinery
  4) aesthetics
  5) comfort
  6) stability
  7) choice of materials
  8) construction methods
  9) attention to detail
10) accuracy of reproduction
11) design functionality
12) appeal
13) pictures and explanations
14) Festool usage

Since this is an open contest with no restrictions some of these will only apply to certain projects, like stability and comfort for chairs and tables, etc. Maybe we should choose only criteria that can be applied to all projects until a time the contest focuses on one type of project.

Which are the five best for this particular contest?

Nickao

Nick,

IMHO, 2,9,11,13,14. okay 12 also

Scott W