MFT Hole Jigs

[Cheese]

...wondering if collets are same size as of1400...I suspect they are so I'll have to buy the festool guide bushing for the 1010 as well...these holes are costing me a lot of money....lol

Sorry... [sad]

The same collets are used in the 700 & 1010, while the 1400 & 2200 use the same collets.

You got the “costing me a lot of money” thing right.  [big grin]

 

[gnlman]

Nope I'm sorry....I should have been clearer. I meant physical size like the OD of the collet not what size bits they take...TTG had indicated in one of his posts that the 30mm Trend bushing he purchased was stopping his 0f1400 collet from plunging thru 19mm top unless he only chucked the festool 20mm bit in a bout a quarter inch....I was being hopeful that the OD of the 8mm collet on the 1010 might be a smaller OD...but thinking they are probably the same OD for all the sizes...I'll have to wait til the 1010 arrives or someone chimes in.lol
Greg

 

[JeromeM]

I also just discovered that the ujk system is coming out with an upgraded version for dog holes called the Mark 2.
Greg

Humm,  that be the the one I mentioned in my post 4 days ago?

Only issue now is Festool 20mm bit makes the holes just a tad looser than I would like, which others have mentioned before. 

A bit that is slightly large is quite easy to fix with extremely cautious use of diamond stones, having said that my Festool 20mm bit is precise. So either the later bits are larger or you may be using a different bit to the one I do. I can check the part number later.

There is the chance that the items you are using in the holes are slightly undersized

 

[Cheese]

Here’s a shot of the 8mm collet for the 1400 & 1010.

 

[gnlman]

Thanks Cheese. That is good news for me and my dominofix/trend bushing combo I was hoping would work....lol
Greg

 

[TSO_Products]

For those of you using the Parf Guide System, the new Parf Dust Port is a truly useful, time saving and relatively inexpensive accessory.
In stock now at tsoproducts.com

enjoy!
Hans

PS: Mark 2 Parf Guide System shipment on order for TSO stock

 

[JeromeM]

PS scored a slightly used metric of1010 online this morning being shipped tomorrow...wondering if collets are same size as of1400...I suspect they are so I'll have to buy the festool guide bushing for the 1010 as well...these holes are costing me a lot of money....lol

But you have a really good reason to buy new (to you) toys.

I've just picked up my DominoFix jig from customs. The OF1400 bushing is an exact fit in the jig, I don't have time to test the hole drilling yet as SWMBO just bought a new/used car and I have to fly down to Bangkok to pick it up and drive the 600km back.

 

[dlu]

PS scored a slightly used metric of1010 online this morning being shipped tomorrow...wondering if collets are same size as of1400...I suspect they are so I'll have to buy the festool guide bushing for the 1010 as well...these holes are costing me a lot of money....lol

They are not. The OF1010 collets are quite a bit smaller than the OF1400. That gives you a reason to buy the 2200 and the 700...

 

[gnlman]

lol already have the 700 and a older PC 7518 keeps the of2200 away....mind you it's been in the router table for years..lol
hoping the 1010 and bushing arrive tomorrow.

 

[dlu]

lol already have the 700 and a older PC 7518 keeps the of2200 away....mind you it's been in the router table for years..lol
hoping the 1010 and bushing arrive tomorrow.

The 700 collets will fit the 1010 - and vice versa - you have spares. Love my 7518.

 

[ctvader]

Hi all - I used the UJK Parf Guide to drill my holes this morning.  Setup tp finish was ~60mins for a 3x5 top made of 1/2” plywood. 

I ordered from Axminster on Wednesday morning and rec’d it yesterday (I’m in CT).  The parf guide and two UJK 50MM super dogs (I think that’s the name) was $201, including shipping. 

The tool is flawless and super simple to use.  If you go this route, I would use a 1/4” chuck in the drill.  I used a Milwaukee drill/driver with a dewalt chuck - without this, the drill would get old in a hurry.  I used a wexley digital protractor, which measured dead on @ 90 degrees.  I used the Anderson plywood square against the rail and their was zero play.  I’ll try the 5 cut test tomorrow.

The videos by Dave Stanton, Peter and Matt Estlea (https://youtu.be/Z0QybYFDBoQ) do a great job of explaining what to do. 

I tried other methods, which led to frustration and inaccurate hole pattern. 

Well worth the money.  I plan on making another top, made of MDF, this weekend.  Will update if needed. 

 

[Claimdude]

ctvader,

Thanks for the info. I am trying to picture what you are referring to regarding the 1/4" chuck and drill quoted below. Would you mind clarifying for me? Also, did you get the MK II or the original jig?

" I would use a 1/4” chuck in the drill.  I used a Milwaukee drill/driver with a dewalt chuck - without this, the drill would get old in a hurry. "

Thanks
Jack

 

[ctvader]

Jack,

The dewalt chuck is the Dewalt Rapid Load Holder (https://hardwareonlinestore.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/304209.jpg), which seems similar to the Centrotec Chuck for Festool drills.  The UJK Guide i used was the original- I can’t see a reason, for my needs, to need the MKii. 

The Milwaukee drill was 18v and was just the right amount of power.

Jeff

 

[gnlman]

SUCCESS!!! Well I managed to get all the items I needed to give the dominofix mft jig a try....had to buy a of1010, trend guide bushing, festool mandrel and a leigh guide bushing jig so I could center the festool 20mm bit in the guide bushing....whew...as others have said holes are slightly larger with the festool bit, but qwas dogs seem to sit in those holes quite nicely...I did find the holes I drilled where ever so much larger than the dogs that came with the jig...I just kept forward pressure on the jig as I drilled the north/south holes, and didn't have to do a thing for the east/west holes....I don't think I would have had room to use the enclosed tape to pick up the slack. I'll try and post pictures, but never have much luck doing that here......
Thanks for all the help, especially TTG!!!
Greg

Well I've been trying for almost an hour to post pics..resized them..still no go...yeeesh...keep getting a message in preview about fakepath....I have managed to post pics before.....
Seems I got one...lol...didn't show in preview just noticed it when I went to edit...I'll keep trying...and yes I did read the tutorials..lol

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[The Interior Cafe]

Awesome to see it worked out!

SUCCESS!!! Well I managed to get all the items I needed to give the dominofix mft jig a try....had to buy a of1010, trend guide bushing, festool mandrel and a leigh guide bushing jig so I could center the festool 20mm bit in the guide bushing....whew...as others have said holes are slightly larger with the festool bit, but qwas dogs seem to sit in those holes quite nicely...I did find the holes I drilled where ever so much larger than the dogs that came with the jig...I just kept forward pressure on the jig as I drilled the north/south holes, and didn't have to do a thing for the east/west holes....I don't think I would have had room to use the enclosed tape to pick up the slack. I'll try and post pictures, but never have much luck doing that here......
Thanks for all the help, especially TTG!!!
Greg

Well I've been trying for almost an hour to post pics..resized them..still no go...yeeesh...keep getting a message in preview about fakepath....I have managed to post pics before.....
Seems I got one...lol...didn't show in preview just noticed it when I went to edit...I'll keep trying...and yes I did read the tutorials..lol

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[tallgrass]

glad you got it all worked out. For me it was strait forward. 1400, copy ring and the festool 20mm. I can see that dealing with the tolerance stack can be a problem with all the different manufactures that can be involved.

 

[ben_r_]

Great thread and glad I ran across it! I have been going back and forth on the best route to go to make MFT style tops. I have the LR32 system and a brand new MFT top that could be used as a template already but have been kicking around the Parf Guide Mark II system and the Woodpeckers Hole-Boring Jig because at first it seemed like going either of those routes might be better. But now Im feeling a little more confused!

 

[Cheese]

I have the LR32 system and a brand new MFT top that could be used as a template already but have been kicking around the Parf Guide Mark II system and the Woodpeckers Hole-Boring Jig because at first it seemed like going either of those routes might be better. But now Im feeling a little more confused!

Ben, my suggestion is to forget the Woodpeckers option and go with the LR 32 as you already have everything you need.

The ONLY way the Woodpeckers option works well is if you modify the supplied bushing so that you can use a standard Festool 20 mm router bit.

Otherwise you’ll be sorry with the results. I’ve already shared my results with Woodpeckers and they acknowledged that their method was meant for clamping purposes only. It was not meant for precision alignment.........well they got that aspect right. 

 

[Dusty.House]

Thanks [member=44099]Cheese[/member] that makes a ton of sense! I couldn't figure out how a smaller jig like that would stay true over a big top!

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

I use the PGS Mk 2 and have always had superb results. I’ve made lots of tops and cutting stations, and a good few for friends or colleagues. So it’s worked out well financially too.

Recently, a company we sometimes work with, got a lovely CNC machine, and they knocked up a couple of MFT tops for us. So we did cut tests with those, and tops made with the PGS Mk 2, and there was no noticeable difference in squareness, so personally I’d have no problem using or trusting either of the tops.

Sure, a PGS made top is much more time consuming but, that’s not a problem for me personally, as I choose when and where to make one.
It’s usually when we have a tough job on that is very physically demanding, lot’s of lifting and carrying (I’m not 21 anymore) So, I then state that I need to sort something out, and proceed to making a new top with the PGS. It’s then a very welcomed task.  [big grin] [wink]