My list for the RO 90 DX buy

[PreferrablyWood]

So here goes what I'm going to be ordering instead of the Systainers because Neeleman got me thinking so I'm now replacing my Metabo 80mm with the Festool R0 90 DX.

I see the main advantage of RO 90 DX over my metabo 400 SX E as being:

A wider range of high quality abrasives available.
The rotex mode has faster more aggressive removal stock and paint removal.
-->(which at first I thought it was a pure rotary mode but after I watched the WoodWhispers video I now realize it is not quite as aggressive as a pure rotary mode as it combines the random orbit with a slower rotary mode, this is still much more aggressive than pure random orbit though..)

The Delta pad oscellation mode for getting into corners etc, which is still very effective, and HalfInchShy points out that the pure oscellation mode can also be used with the round disc as well..

The additional thin Delta head for doing Louvre Slats or other things in tight spaces..

The edge guards which are unique and prevent damaging moldings and calking very smart idea!

The interface pad for sanding contoured surfaces.

The Hard and Soft choices for both the round and delta modes

The polishing pad.

So all these things add up to making the RO 90 DX into a total system for sanding smaller items and working  in tight and awkward places..Even though somewhat expensive for a smaller tool and perhaps not that well suited for larger surfaces, it does not worry me as I have the Festool RS 300 EQ, as well as the Metabo SXE 125 mm RO sanders that can do larger surfaces. So I end up with a very well rounded sanding arsenal with these 3 sanders..

My List then for this month ends up being a little more expensive than I was planning when I was just getting my systainer organization setup, but I am confident that it is well thought out after extensive research, the Systainer Organization setup can perhaps get a few tweeks and can wait until I've taken care of a few other things in December and January..

ROTEX RO 90 DX FEQ-Plus
Artikel-Nr.: 5718191
444,96 €*

Festool SYS-Roll SYS-Roll 100
Artikel-Nr.: 498660
105,99 €*

The SYS-Roll is the only remnant of my previous list, it's my insurance policy for getting my gear back and forth to the workplaces I'll be visiting in the next couple of months, and I don't want to leave gear on site but will be returning home with it everytime after my sessions. 

Festool Granat Ø90mm  P40 (50 Stück)
Artikel-Nr.: 497363
16,45 €*

Festool Granat Ø90mm  P60 (50 Stück)
Artikel-Nr.: 497364
15,33 €*

Festool Granat Ø90mm  P80 (50 Stück)
Artikel-Nr.: 497365
14,65 €*

Even though two posters advised against going with the 40 Grit, I think I'll get it as it's not prohibitively expensive and I'm getting 60, 80, 120 grits as well so should be able to handle any scratches the 40 grits might cause.. It might not be right for this application but I don't want to discover that I might have need it after all and miss the possiblity of using it.

The Delta mode sandpaper I start at 80 gr, and will prep for paint to 120 gr.

Festool Granat 93V  P80 (50 Stück)
Artikel-Nr.: 497392
12,44 €*

Festool Brilliant 2 93V  P120 (10 Stück)
Artikel-Nr.: 492881
x2 - 3,95 €* - 7,90 €*

Festool Brilliant 2 93V  P180 (10 Stück)
Artikel-Nr.: 492882
2x 3,95 €* - 7,90 €*

I will use the RO 90 in Delta mode for sanding between the two coats of paint so the P180 should be fine and Brilliant is fine for this application I save by being able to just by 20 pieces at a time.. 

Festool Brilliant 2 93x178 mm Schleifblätter P40 - P400 P120 (10 Stück)
Artikel-Nr.: 492909
x2 - 5,21 €* - 10,42 €*

Festool Brilliant 2 93x178 mm P180 (10 Stück)
Artikel-Nr.: 492910
x2 - 5,21 €* - 10,42 €*

I need to have some abrasives of the RS 300 EQ as I'm doing some larger doors..I already have 40 and 80 gr, so I'm well suited for these jobs with these additional grits..

Festool Selfclean Filtersack SC-FIS-CT MIDI/5
Artikel-Nr.: 498411
18,95 €*
I'll be using my CT MIDI getting low on bags, so this gets on the list! 

 

[Kynasf]

The RO90 was my first dip into Festool, and it's certainly one of my most used. I use a lot of granat 40 so agree with your choice.

 

[AlexThePalex]

I have always some 40 around for one of my sanders. Don't use it very often, I prefer to avoid such low grits, but sometimes you just really need it, or face spending 3 times as long using a higher grit.

 

[PreferrablyWood]

The RO90 was my first dip into Festool, and it's certainly one of my most used. I use a lot of granat 40 so agree with your choice.

I'm always suprised when someone asks me to do a job for them to prep windows or doors here in Scandinavia just how many layers of paint have built up.. They had money for paint for the past 60 years, but seems they lack the time or the funds to do the proper preparation work... So 40 grit cuts throught the five layers or more that I get to remove, I'm finding also that slower speeds are better for the lower grits.. At least with the last job where I was sanding some big doors before painting I had 80 grit on the RS 300 and not realizing I had it on 2 it actually worked very well on that setting..

I notice that the RO 90 in rotary mode is a very agressive sander so maybe for the application I'm about to begin 60 gr or even 80 gr will be fine..It seems it has a very powerful motor and the force is being directed on a relatively small area, so it appears to be somewhat hard to control. Therefore I think that using lower speeds may be a good idea!

 

[PreferrablyWood]

I have always some 40 around for one of my sanders. Don't use it very often, I prefer to avoid such low grits, but sometimes you just really need it, or face spending 3 times as long using a higher grit.

Yes time is the issue here as I have the bases of 7 large tables to sand, I'm doing it outside in November so I want to get through it as fast as I can.. The RO 90 being an aggresive little sander I'm sure I'll be working up a sweat even though it could be rather cool some days. I figure I do the table sanding over 3 x 3 hours, then the painting will take about 6 hours first coat 2 hours intercoat sanding and 4 hours second coat.. Boring November will get filled with pratical work.. Then the snows in December, time to start up my Ferrari and head south!

 

[PreferrablyWood]

I'm getting ready to press the buy button on the RO 90 DX. It's a momentous decision, as just last month I bought the PDC 18v drill with most of the available Centrotec bits, the month previous to that I had bought the MFT 3, with parf dogs, and rail dogs.. I had planned on getting organized this time round, but I have decided to wait on getting that setup until after I do a Job where I wanted to get a better tool than my existing metabo 400 SXE sander, admittedly it also is very capable for this kind of work, an eccentric sander with a small 80mm head gets the paint removal job done relatively quickly.. But I'm getting choosey these days, It's a very strenous job, sanding down these parkbenches, I did something similiar this sommer in the middle of a heat wave, and it was quite a tiring job, but I survived with out any permanent harm. Now doing it again I just want to make things easier, the R0 90 DX has the rotex mode and higher quality abrasives available so I expect a marked improvement in the speed at which I can work..

I got into a discussion with myself about also getting the T-EYE impact when I saw that it will be discontinued on Dec 1, 2014 a knee jerk reaction, I've some projects in the not too distant future where an impact drill would be very useful.. But no, I'll not get it together with this order as the total price for the T-EYE kit and the RO 90 would put the shopping list up to over 1000 euro with abrasives and such..a no go situation..

But after considering all this I'm feeling more bold, also with the promise of additional hours at one of my workplaces, so I'm going to go for a purely RO 90 DX order but increasing the number of items to include most if not all of the accessories.. This include the louvre head for the Delta pad LSS-STF-RO90 V93/6, the Festool Protector-Set FP-RO 90, (edge guard) , the Festool Interface-Pad IP-STF-D90/6 (soft pad for sanding contours), An extra delta pad normal hardness Festool  SSH-STF-V93/6-W/2 for ROTEX RO 90 and DX 93, The hard delta pad Festool  SSH-STF-V93/6-H/2 for ROTEX RO 90 and DX 93, the abrasives systainer Festool Systainer SYS-STF-D77/D90/93V. I'll get Granat 40,60,80,120 grits for the Ø90mm, and the 60 and 120 for the Delta head..

Why get all the Accesories at the same time as the tool? Well I feel while I've done the research and understand what the various accessories benefits are I may as well just spend the extra money now, instead of whittling at way at getting the bits and pieces together. The only two accesories that are somewhat costly are the Louvre attachment for the delta head, and the edge guard attachment, but they are IMO elements that can take the tool to a whole new level of functionality. The Soft interface pad, the hard delta pads are also useful additional items for little extra outlay. The abrasives systainer, will help keep thing in order and safe and dry.. I realize that the abrasive systainers are not meant to hold a shops whole inventory of abrasives for a particular sander, it's too small for that, just a good working selection for when your out doing a job..

As for the abrasives, I've decided to only buy abrasives that get me up to a clean and smooth surface for the first coat of paint.. In between coats I'll just hand sand with 240 grit..

 

[SS Teach]

i got the Ro 90 with hard pads and edge protectors so I could refinish my window trim, lots of windows. After 30 years they need help. It will also work well with the rest of the trim in the house. Oh less I forget, a systainer full of sandpaper doesnt hurt. Get all the accessories you need at the same time, it's easier that way. Yes there is a cost involved, but compared to the price of having some one else to do the work, you're ahead of the game. Along with a CT you are really ahead of the game, very little fuss or muss. Enjoy the Ro 90.

 

[PreferrablyWood]

i got the Ro 90 with hard pads and edge protectors so I could refinish my window trim, lots of windows. After 30 years they need help. It will also work well with the rest of the trim in the house. Oh less I forget, a systainer full of sandpaper doesnt hurt. Get all the accessories you need at the same time, it's easier that way. Yes there is a cost involved, but compared to the price of having some one else to do the work, you're ahead of the game. Along with a CT you are really ahead of the game, very little fuss or muss. Enjoy the Ro 90.

Thanks!
I think almost everyjob I tackle in paint preparation has so many paint layers that without advanced gear I wouldn't even attempt it, also because these jobs are quite large scale. THE RO 90 is a little powerhouse and with the accessories mentioned above I'll save even more time so like you say I'll be ahead of the game!

 

[PreferrablyWood]

Okay the RO 90 is now bought I changed my list again though at the last, to be fair to readers of this thread I better add it here:
ROTEX RO 90 DX FEQ-Plus
Item# 5718191 €444,96 EUR 1 €444,96 EUR
I get the Hard pad plus 100 pcs of P120 Granat included in this package.

Festool Interface-Pad IP-STF-D90/6
Item# 497481 €5,99 EUR 1 €5,99 EUR
Good for contoured surfaces..

Festool SSH-STF-V93/6-H/2 für ROTEX RO 90 und DX 93
Item# 488716 €11,25 EUR 1 €11,25 EUR
The hard delta pad, good for paint stripping

Festool Granat 93V  P60 (50 Stück)
Item# 497391 €13,16 EUR 1 €13,16 EUR
One coarse grade for the Delta pad ought to be enough.

Festool Brilliant 2 93V  P240 (100 Stück)
Item# 492891 1 €20,31 EUR
I decided at the end that it might give more consistant results with the machine for between coats of paint, so I found the Brilliant 2 P240 was quite a bit cheaper than the Granat and should do just fine..

Festool Granat Ø90mm  P40 (50 Stück)
Item# 497363 1 €16,45 EUR
Festool Granat Ø90mm  P60 (50 Stück)
Item# 497364 1 €15,33 EUR
Festool Granat Ø90mm  P80 (50 Stück)
Item# 497365 1 €14,65 EUR
Although it would have saved money to forego aleast one of these grits, I don't want to risk ending up missing the right grit for the job.. luckely being able to buy 50 pcs at once means it does not get overly expensive to cover this range.

Festool Brilliant 2 93x178 mm P240 (100 Stück)
Item# 492919 €29,90 EUR 1 €29,90 EUR
I want to use my RS 300 EQ for sanding between coats on bigger surfaces, so here I find Brilliant P 240 at this price to be affordable enough..

I think it was too expensive for the Abrasives Systainer for the RO 90 when I would also need to get one for the RS 300 abrasives, so I've decided to get a Sys 2 and make my own inserts, that will hold the abrasives for at least two sanders.

To save money I opted out on the Louvre attachment, and the edge protectors for now and bought the Systainer 2, and more abrasives instead..

On my list to fill out the RO 90's and RS 300 EQ will be the Edge protector, the Louvre sanding attachment when I have a job for it.. I will get the hole punch for the RS 300 EQ so I can make my own sandpapir, from stock available here, it would be handy if they made a dust bag attachment for the RO 9O as well, I suppose I can try my dustbag attachment for the RS 300 EQ on it though.

I want to get the Anti Static hose 22mm but am unsure of the benefits and the adaptors I'll need so ti will have to wait. I want to get the order by Monday so I'll have the largest window of opportunity as far as weather is concerned to get this job done. Last year I was finishing up painting tables at the beginning of December.

 

[Kynasf]

I got the louvre attachment pretty early on.  You wouldn't believe how useful it is.  The annual garden furniture clean is just an example.
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[PreferrablyWood]

I got the louvre attachment pretty early on.  You wouldn't believe how useful it is.  The annual garden furniture clean is just an example.
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I've got a large backlog of just that kind of furniture to clean up and fix the coming spring so it's good to know the louvre attachment comes in handy here..  Thanks for the tip!

 

[Samtor]

The RO90 was my first dip into Festool, and it's certainly one of my most used. I use a lot of granat 40 so agree with your choice.

I'm always suprised when someone asks me to do a job for them to prep windows or doors here in Denmark just how many layers of paint have built up.. They had money for paint for the past 60 years, but seems they lack the time or the funds to do the proper preparation work... So 40 grit cuts throught the five layers or more that I get to remove, I'm finding also that slower speeds are better for the lower grits.. At least with the last job where I was sanding some big doors before painting I had 80 grit on the RS 300 and not realizing I had it on 2 it actually worked very well on that setting..

I notice that the RO 90 in rotary mode is a very agressive sander so maybe for the application I'm about to begin 60 gr or even 80 gr will be fine..It seems it has a very powerful motor and the force is being directed on a relatively small area, so it appears to be somewhat hard to control. Therefore I think that using lower speeds may be a good idea!

I like using the RO 90 at speed 1 for paint removal from vertical surfaces as it is much easier to control, uses less force and quieter. However, I'm wondering if that will cause motor burn out? I find at higher speeds it starts 'jumping' and I have to press it to keep it from skipping by itself. Do you have to exert considerable force when using the RO? I saw several videos on youtube and they seem to exert quite a lot of force on the RO when using it. Anyone can share their experience? Thanks.