My new folding workbench - I'm after some feedback!

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Good evening all,

I have introduced myself here before but for those of you who may not have seen then here it is. My name is Greg and i'm a cabinet maker / finishing carpenter who's been in business around 18 months now. In the beginning the plan was to be mainly workshop based and invest all my (little) money into getting myself a full workshop, however over the last 18 months i've discovered that it's very difficult to start from nothing and have a) enough work to warrant a full workshop and b) savings to afford high end workshop machinery. As a consequence i have ended more site based (residential and shop fitting)

To be honest I enjoy it, a lot. I miss being in the workshop but I find it very difficult to keep motivation all the time and find myself procrastinating making projects that don't earn me any money.

Seeing as though almost all of my money has now gone onto investing in mobile and portable equipment. The one thing I have missed more than anything else is a decent solid workbench to work from. I've tried trestles but its not even close, workmates are equally no good. So I decided that I would borrow an MFT/3 from a friend for a week to see how I got on with it and in all honesty, I liked it, but I couldn't get on with it as I needed more out of my workbench. The things that didn't work for me are as follows:

1) I use my workbench as a sort of centre of setup type of area. This means that I spend most of my time working from it, be it cutting / routing / sanding or simply planning and organising my setup. The MFT for me fell down here as its a great bench but i want more storage options, and more adaptability.

2) Working mainly finish carpentry I fit a lot of doors. A lot and I like to have a setup where I can do everything in one spot. Cut, install hardware and plane to then be taken away  to hang. The MFT is perfect for cutting the doors but where it falls down for me is there is no where to securely hold the door on its end for the routing of hinges etc.

3) Hand planing puts an awful lot of lateral force on the workbench and I don't like a bench that has movement in it when i'm planing.

So there's my brief now it's time to put my experiences into practice and design something that suits my needs! Here is what I came up with.

It's a birch ply workbench, with a shelf, with side mounts for doors, with tool tote for to keep my bench dogs and other small tools off the worktop, an MDF top with 96 centred 20mm dog holes. Most importantly it fold to less that 90mm thick. it takes 20 seconds to put up and slides into my van when not in use. Most importantly this thing is strong, and i mean strong! There is no lateral movement what so ever. I've been using both the mk1 prototype and mk2 prototype for nearly 6 months now and I really don't know how i lived without it. For me, its everything I need.

I've already thought of a million accessories to go with it, and I plan on developing this further. I have started the process to putting it on the market as i truly believe that its a good idea. What do you think? would you have one? What would you do differently? I will record a short video of me putting it up and performing some basic operations if anyone is interested?

 

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Would like to see video
And would like the workbench also
You going to make
Plans available for sale or complete units
 
Great looking bench!  Would like to see a video setting up and taking down, as well as some work activities, like use with hand planes.
 
Sal LiVecchi said:
Would like to see video
And would like the workbench also
You going to make
Plans available for sale or complete units

Okay i'll sort a video out over the next couple of days and upload it to YouTube. As for the market side of it - I'm looking at extending my Chestnut furniture business into this sort of thing. practical solutions for woodworkers and their projects. I've had a couple CNC cut and I'm currently trailing them and i'll see how i get on. I like the idea of having a product line. Failing that I have also been working on plans (My original intention), so if it doesn't go anywhere then i will definitely release the plans.

 
Wooden Skye said:
Great looking bench!  Would like to see a video setting up and taking down, as well as some work activities, like use with hand planes.

Righto I'll get on it. The beauty of the top being on a mortice and tenon style system is that it pops on and off very easily. I'm actually using auto cad as we speak to design a router table variant with dust extraction... I use a router a lot of the time on shop fit-outs and i miss having a decent router table. This kills two birds
 
Nice design.  Are the top and side holes all 20mm?  The side holes look a little bigger.  I'd probably suggest making them the same size and sticking with 20mm to fit accessories most Festool users already have.

The mortise / tenon attachment of the top should help with stability.  overall it appears it would be very sturdy!

I'm wondering about some kind of bungee cord mechanism to further secure the pieces together for transport, but also useful for securing them when assembled to further strengthen the stability.  Could easily cut in a few slots that the cords could slip into and be captive with a knot.

Thanks for sharing.
 
The side holes are 30mm but that's intentional. I had them at 20mm originally the problem I have with that is getting accessories to lock down into position and be strong enough. It'll become more clear in the video. I could have kept them 20mm and then had a threaded dog and then a m8 knob on the back but the idea with this is everything is quick and easy and i don't have to worry about screwing and unscrewing. I hope that makes sense?

I have bought a few large buckle type straps which i'm going to experiment with to hold everything together. As for the strength i really mean it when i say this thing literally does not budge. It's as strong as a traditional carpenters bench. I know this because i've had 240kg sat on top of it and it didn't move.

I like the idea of incorporating the strap into the bench though so it doesn't get lost or get in the way, something worth thinking about.

Thanks for the feedback! This is exactly what i'm looking for.
 
Great looking bench.  What tools do you need in your arsenal to make such a bench?

Peter
 
I like it.  What is the weight for the fold up parts?
Since it is meant to be very portable, maybe a couple of hand slots in the top and the shelf, as they do not appear to be folded with the base parts.
Tinker
 
This is simply brilliant. Exellent design from structural standpoint. Easy assembly / dissassembly in just couple moves.
I understand why you made top overhang, but having the edge of worksurface flush with legs (front and back only) has its benefits for vertical clamping. By the way it'll still work structurally almost as well.
Thank you for posting.
P.S.  Some might prefer another (second) shelf mid height. Should not be hard to add.
P.P.S.  A delux version could have t-slot extrusion along front and back
 
Tinker said:
I like it.  What is the weight for the fold up parts?
Since it is meant to be very portable, maybe a couple of hand slots in the top and the shelf, as they do not appear to be folded with the base parts.
Tinker

Hi Peter,

My origonal prototypes were made wierea 30mm forstner. A 12mm straight 1/8 router bit. A track saw. A 120mm doameter paint  can for the radius corners. A jigsaw and for the top is a mft3 replacement top which i had off ebay and finally a lot of careful marking out.
 
Coach.carpenter said:
Tinker said:
I like it.  What is the weight for the fold up parts?
Since it is meant to be very portable, maybe a couple of hand slots in the top and the shelf, as they do not appear to be folded with the base parts.
Tinker

Hi Peter,

My origonal prototypes were made wierea 30mm forstner. A 12mm straight 1/8 router bit. A track saw. A 120mm doameter paint  can for the radius corners. A jigsaw and for the top is a mft3 replacement top which i had off ebay and finally a lot of careful marking out.
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Tinker said:
I like it.  What is the weight for the fold up parts?
Since it is meant to be very portable, maybe a couple of hand slots in the top and the shelf, as they do not appear to be folded with the base parts.
Tinker

The whole assembly weighs 28kg. The shelf has hand slots and the top ive been using the mortices as a finger slot. I was worried about puttig a handslot as it may effect functonality as a worktop?
 
Svar said:
This is simply brilliant. Exellent design from structural standpoint. Easy assembly / dissassembly in just couple moves.
I understand why you made top overhang, but having the edge of worksurface flush with legs (front and back only) has its benefits for vertical clamping. By the way it'll still work structurally almost as well.
Thank you for posting.
P.S.  Some might prefer another (second) shelf mid height. Should not be hard to add.
P.P.S.  A delux version could have t-slot extrusion along front and back

Hi svar

Okay so j left an iverhang for two reasons. Strength from the viewpoint of the sides and long top rails not bowing outwards when heavy attatchments are added or a lot of force put on them laterally and also to protect the mortices in transport. This is always being thrown in and out of my van so i feel over time open ended mortices would get knocked and chipped when worked on.

Ill work on a design for a second shelf. I wonder if having more frame and a nother shelf would add another couple if kgs to the weight though?

Ah ha i was waiting for someone to say this. Im working on it. So the two long top rails front and back have 3 8mm holea drilled in them. This is fora t track to be bolted in. I have a 25mm section of birch ply with a ujk t track mounted flush to the top. It also has captive nuts in. It gets fixed to the sides with 3 (6 altogether) m8 plastic knobs.

Two things im working on. The t-track isnt long enough so im desperatly trying to find longer extrusions. Secondly and rather stupidly, i made the back of the tooltote too high so it wont slot on with the t-track fixed. Easy fix and i need to ammend the drawing

 
Coach.carpenter said:
Holmz said:
Yes please...

That was positive! Glad you like it. Would you be interested in a video?

Yes please.
My daughter is interested in starting out, so it looks like a good place to start.
 
Coach.carpenter said:
Svar said:
P.P.S.  A delux version could have t-slot extrusion along front and back

Ah ha i was waiting for someone to say this. Im working on it. So the two long top rails front and back have 3 8mm holea drilled in them. This is fora t track to be bolted in. I have a 25mm section of birch ply with a ujk t track mounted flush to the top. It also has captive nuts in. It gets fixed to the sides with 3 (6 altogether) m8 plastic knobs.
Two things im working on. The t-track isnt long enough so im desperatly trying to find longer extrusions. Secondly and rather stupidly, i made the back of the tooltote too high so it wont slot on with the t-track fixed. Easy fix and i need to ammend the drawing

Do you have 80/20 extrusions available in your area? Bosch-Rexroth makes nearly identical extrusions, could be easier to find in Europe. You could size your top overhang accordingly to easily mount/dismount the extrusion as on pics below. Would solve vertical clamping issue. Anyway, very elegant design you have there. Would not want to ruin the simplicity.
 

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