New cordless tools fall 2025

Hipplewm said:
still have to lift it up and down tons of times....I like to use the 4mm for drawer boxes and if you need to make 20 drawers, that is 80 pieces of wood and 320 holes, even if you get 4 pieces of wood together at once, that is a ton of holding and lifting and setting down.....it adds up
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I weighed my batteries a couple weeks ago and from memory I think the 5Ah came in around 225gm or so, so I actually think despite the very minimal extra weight, the D handle leads to a vastly improved work flow with less effort as it's so much more ergonomic, especially with the DF500 where you have to very awkwardly grip the end of the motor housing while keeping it held firm enough to not move under load.

The DF700 is far heavier and larger than the DF500, but is a joy to manage as the handle provides an amazing level of control and balance, I find it a massive improvement over the DF500, and I fully expect the new cordless will be just as good to operate.
 
It would be so cool to get the power station in the US. Then, every vac could become cordless without limitation. And while I’m dreaming, the TKS 80
 
luvmytoolz said:
I weighed my batteries a couple weeks ago and from memory I think the 5Ah came in around 225gm or so, so I actually think despite the very minimal extra weight, the D handle leads to a vastly improved work flow with less effort as it's so much more ergonomic, especially with the DF500 where you have to very awkwardly grip the end of the motor housing while keeping it held firm enough to not move under load.

The DF700 is far heavier and larger than the DF500, but is a joy to manage as the handle provides an amazing level of control and balance, I find it a massive improvement over the DF500, and I fully expect the new cordless will be just as good to operate.
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My 3.1 Ah come in at around 400g (about 14 oz) and my 5.2Ah at around 700g (about 25oz), so where did you find those 225g 5Ah and can I buy some please 😲🤑:cool:
 
wpz said:
My 3.1 Ah come in at around 400g (about 14 oz) and my 5.2Ah at around 700g (about 25oz), so where did you find those 225g 5Ah and can I buy some please 😲🤑:cool:
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Ok it definitely seems I'm remembering this wrong! Maybe I was thinking of the difference between two I have. Ill have to check this again!
 
500G is over a pound difference

Even using the 3.1A at 400g and the extra handle and stuff - I bet it weights a full pound heavier - even more with the bigger battery

For repetitive tasks, I'll take the lighter tool every time
 
In about 3 years time, the new Aluminium ion batteries will be hitting the market and changing the battery game for ever. Especially if the 10x capacity is the reality for the same physical size.
 
Neil Lickfold said:
In about 3 years time, the new Aluminium ion batteries will be hitting the market and changing the battery game for ever. Especially if the 10x capacity is the reality for the same physical size.
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Only if our A.I. robot overlords allow us to use them and we can find that proprietary Apple thunderlightning adapter to USB-F to charge them :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Neil Lickfold said:
In about 3 years time, the new Aluminium ion batteries will be hitting the market and changing the battery game for ever. Especially if the 10x capacity is the reality for the same physical size.
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Isn't aluminium-ion still more conceptual, as in they still haven't overcome the hurdles? Would estimate that far longer than 3 years.
 
Colour me cynical, but I'd also factor in the manufacturers selling off most of their current battery stocks into that estimated delivery date.
 
Zaph said:
Isn't aluminium-ion still more conceptual, as in they still haven't overcome the hurdles? Would estimate that far longer than 3 years.
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Not so. Several places have had cells in real world testing this year. They are being tested now, in different formats like coin batteries , what I call pouch types or blades, single cells in a flat format, as well as wrapped versions like in the 18650 and the 4680 are all currently being tested. Some like the coin cells have been in testing since 2015 doing cycle life tests. As far as I am aware, all the companies involved in the research have solved the dendrite problem in the battery. It's now about the power density and converting the prototype into a consistent production process, which has already happened in the case for the USA concern. I have asked for a prototype to test, but being in NZ, don't qualify to be part of the tester group. End of next year Cars will be sold with this battery technology inn them, not sure of the range exactly , but will be quite substantial. The biggest push for the technology is actually coming from very large earth moving machines, and making them into fully electric, instead of diesel electric. So they will have energy recovery systems in them etc to extend the working the life. Yes, they will be recharging from a diesel generator when they do recharge. But will pay for itself from the current servicing costs that these very large machine have. The break through is the 3 electrons per ion transferring instead of 1 electron per ion like the current battery technology. The Al-ion batteries are about the same as the best Li technology for CE , with the difference being that the 1% fading is not until 10k cycles compared to the 500 to 1k cycles for Li technology. So just have to wait and see where the price point is going to be for the cells used. Ryobi has already started using a different cell format technology in their latest Li batteries, and I would not be surprised if they would be one of the early adaptors of the new battery tech. Li won't be dumped, but I can see that once the new Al batteries become cost effective, the li ones will just finish due to being too expensive for the lifespan. The current Al ion batteries are all interchangeable with the the Li chargers and cell formats so far. So could in theory just be swapped out and will still work and charge like the Li cells do. Circuit upgrades will be required for the faster charging rates etc. Truly is exciting times. Even at double the current capacity with a short charge time is a game changer for the building industry for example. Lighter batteries for 10A/h capacity.
 
Well , it seems if I want a nice sander with the 6 inch 150mm pads and the nice light, I will have to get the 18v model.
I'm looking at the Festool Sander ETSC 2 150 and then get the charger and a couple of batteries.
Does anyone use this sander?
If so, what do you think of it?
 
Neil Lickfold said:
Not so. Several places have had cells in real world testing this year. They are being tested now, in different formats like coin batteries , what I call pouch types or blades, single cells in a flat format, as well as wrapped versions like in the 18650 and the 4680 are all currently being tested. Some like the coin cells have been in testing since 2015 doing cycle life tests. As far as I am aware, all the companies involved in the research have solved the dendrite problem in the battery. It's now about the power density and converting the prototype into a consistent production process, which has already happened in the case for the USA concern. I have asked for a prototype to test, but being in NZ, don't qualify to be part of the tester group. End of next year Cars will be sold with this battery technology inn them, not sure of the range exactly , but will be quite substantial. The biggest push for the technology is actually coming from very large earth moving machines, and making them into fully electric, instead of diesel electric. So they will have energy recovery systems in them etc to extend the working the life. Yes, they will be recharging from a diesel generator when they do recharge. But will pay for itself from the current servicing costs that these very large machine have. The break through is the 3 electrons per ion transferring instead of 1 electron per ion like the current battery technology. The Al-ion batteries are about the same as the best Li technology for CE , with the difference being that the 1% fading is not until 10k cycles compared to the 500 to 1k cycles for Li technology. So just have to wait and see where the price point is going to be for the cells used. Ryobi has already started using a different cell format technology in their latest Li batteries, and I would not be surprised if they would be one of the early adaptors of the new battery tech. Li won't be dumped, but I can see that once the new Al batteries become cost effective, the li ones will just finish due to being too expensive for the lifespan. The current Al ion batteries are all interchangeable with the the Li chargers and cell formats so far. So could in theory just be swapped out and will still work and charge like the Li cells do. Circuit upgrades will be required for the faster charging rates etc. Truly is exciting times. Even at double the current capacity with a short charge time is a game changer for the building industry for example. Lighter batteries for 10A/h capacity.
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Interesting stuff to read, thanks for the thorough response. I do wonder then when we will specifically see Festool step into this advancement then, given that they are still working on tabless batteries as the last powertool brand out there.
 
Zaph said:
Interesting stuff to read, thanks for the thorough response. I do wonder then when we will specifically see Festool step into this advancement then, given that they are still working on tabless batteries as the last powertool brand out there.
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Ask yourself how long it took to revamp the CXS into brushless and the planer to go cordless and I guess you'll have an approximate ballpark figure ;)
 
@fritter63 I thought the OFK(C)500 is basically the same machine as the OFK700 but with a different base, that takes the proprietary cutters, not collets?
 
luvmytoolz said:
@fritter63 I thought the OFK(C)500 is basically the same machine as the OFK700 but with a different base, that takes the proprietary cutters, not collets?
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yeah, I was hoping it was just a specialty collet.

Bummer. I've been using my MFK in a special fixture for cutting the binding ledges on guitars (acoustic), and that base is pretty large. It's the micro adjustment that I want/need for fine tuning depth of cut. So would be nice to be able to use the new 500 in there with a smaller base. But it also needs to accept my specialty binding cutter bits.
 
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