New Domino

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That's really interesting, thanks for posting this!

Curiously they show what looks like a standard DF500, and then pics of a mechanism that to me looks like it would be completely incompatible with the design of the DF500?

I can't see how they'll manage the "bump" with the cutter lip on the inside top and bottom given it appears to be cutting in a standard DF500/700 pendulum mode, without sacrificing rigidity?

I'm really looking forward to seeing how this one develops, although it looks like in application it won't be as slimline or compact as the Zeta connectors, more a variant of the knockdown connnectors it seems? Being able to mix and match P10/P14/P18 is just so incredibly useful.
 
Thanks for posting that! I'm intrigued that this model looks to use pins on the fence again (pins first!  [tongue])
I'll look through it more tomorrow
 
Cool.

I've used the DF500 connectors only once, so whether the new machine, if and when released, can do Zeta- type connectors or its variant matters little to me. But the pins are definitely the feature I want.

Maybe the pin patent will be no longer an issue to Festool, and if so, I may be able to buy one day a pin-type replacement fence for my machine.

Over the past week, I milled some 550 4-mm mortises on dense wood like ash and teak. Neither the machine nor the small bit showed any sign of issue. The DF500 is really a well-built workhorse.
 
Things that stuck out to me:

Pins on the fence in the sample

Swivel dust port attachment similar to the track saws

Language in the patent:
"The milling device is in particular a (hand-held) CNC machine and can also be referred to as a (hand-held) CNC milling device."

If it remains in current Domino form, it seems that the best you can do for the actual mechanism for securing is Figure 12, given the way the machine actually works.  I don't see enough movement within the wiggle mechanism to rotate through a 180-degree curve to cut the keyway that Figures 10 and 11 suggest.

That said, the rest of the patent describes a microprocessor and controller to program in movement to create keyways, which is what the box shape is all about.

"The milling device 10 includes the electronic control unit 37, which includes, for example, a microprocessor, in particular a microcontroller, and is preferably designed as a microcontroller. The control unit 37 is designed to control the electrical positioning device 26 according to movement information, so that the electrical positioning device 26 moves the milling tool 17 into a movement sequence defined by the movement information along the at least two positioning degrees of freedom 31, 32, 33, while the milling tool 17 carries out a rotary removal movement in order to produce the depression 1 with a predetermined depression geometry. The term “recess geometry” means the geometry of the recess 1 to be produced, i.e. in particular the dimensions and/or shape of the recess to be produced, preferably in each of the positioning degrees of freedom 31, 32, 33. Preferably, the milling tool 17 carries out the rotary removal movement during at least part of the movement sequence, optionally during the entire movement sequence. In particular, the milling tool 17 carries out the rotary removal movement (in the movement sequence) at least during a movement along the first positioning degree of freedom 31 and/or during a movement along the second positioning degree of freedom 32 and/or during a movement along the third positioning degree of freedom 33 through.

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The movement information is, for example, stored in the electronic control unit 37, for example as a file, and/or is received by the electronic control unit 37 and/or is generated by the electronic control unit 37. For example, the movement information defines a plurality of successive target positions of the milling tool 17, in particular in relation to the at least two positioning degrees of freedom 31, 32, 33. Preferably, the movement information for the milling tool defines a feed speed, feed direction and / or milling cutter speed, in particular for every movement of the milling tool between two successive target positions.

The movement information preferably defines the movement sequence along the three positioning degrees of freedom 31, 32, 33 and the movement sequence indicates the recess Geometry in relation to the three positioning degrees of freedom. For example, the movement information defines a plurality of successive target positions of the milling tool 17, in particular in relation to the three positioning degrees of freedom 31, 32, 33."

So it appears to be a number of things.

With the DF500 patent expiring soon, we've been wondering how TTS would stay ahead of the competition that is sure to come out with their own versions of the domino.  This is certainly one way.
 
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Thx for your executive summary. I was kinda lost, trying to wade through all the text and images.

I'm still hoping that a DF600 (with increased drilling capacity without sacrificing much on the weight) would come to the market before I'm too old to continue woodworking. I saw a post by someone, at 78, asking in another forum, what new table saw he should buy to replace his old one. I suppose 78 is about time I started selling my machines and tools! [wink]
 
What caught my attn:

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The ribbed/toothed nature of 35C appears to be for a drive mechanism to set the depth, which speaks to the "mobile CNC" part of the patent description.

"By way of example, the linear drive 34C has an electric motor 38 belonging to the housing assembly and a guide element 35C, designed for example as a toothed rack, which is coupled to the contact device 6. By means of a drive provided by the electric motor 38, a relative linear movement can be effected between the electric motor 38 and the guide element 35C, thereby providing positioning along the third positioning degree of freedom 33."

If they could make it all in the same form factor as the current DF500 (I'd prefer some of the elements of the 700, but alas) instead of that large box shape, that would be neat, for sure.

Probably borrowing at least somewhat on the patents and mechanisms that are part of the Shaper for setting Z depth and other CNC operations.
 
Is the 'box' in the first two pics an electronically controlled dock?? Attach the seemingly standard (with a couple of changes) Domino to it, to get some CNC capability for milling the connector recesses? Apart from those that just buy everything anyway, this would appear to be a very...niche release.
 
Pretty interesting that, in the English translation at least, it's called a "handheld CNC."

Which is what I think the Shaper Origin is, so...
 
It's that they use the form factor of the DF500 I find most baffling/interesting, but take a look at the size of the dust port!

Must be expecting some serious hogging!
 
luvmytoolz said:
It's that they use the form factor of the DF500 I find most baffling/interesting, but take a look at the size of the dust port!

Must be expecting some serious hogging!

Looks like the plunge saw port? I replaced my Domino port with a 3D printed one, so much better.
 
Lincoln said:
luvmytoolz said:
It's that they use the form factor of the DF500 I find most baffling/interesting, but take a look at the size of the dust port!

Must be expecting some serious hogging!

Looks like the plunge saw port? I replaced my Domino port with a 3D printed one, so much better.

Why?  And which one?
 
tsmi243 said:
Lincoln said:
luvmytoolz said:
It's that they use the form factor of the DF500 I find most baffling/interesting, but take a look at the size of the dust port!

Must be expecting some serious hogging!

Looks like the plunge saw port? I replaced my Domino port with a 3D printed one, so much better.

Why?  And which one?

I hated having to push the hose fitting over the port, so got the Tool Theory ports for my Domino, Rotex and TSC55. The hose now fits inside the port and is much more user friendly.
 
Lincoln said:
I hated having to push the hose fitting over the port, so got the Tool Theory ports for my Domino, Rotex and TSC55. The hose now fits inside the port and is much more user friendly.

Those sound interesting. I searched Tool Theory's site and found a bunch of accessories for Festool things, but nothing for dust ports. Do you have a link?
 
PaulMarcel said:
Lincoln said:
I hated having to push the hose fitting over the port, so got the Tool Theory ports for my Domino, Rotex and TSC55. The hose now fits inside the port and is much more user friendly.

Those sound interesting. I searched Tool Theory's site and found a bunch of accessories for Festool things, but nothing for dust ports. Do you have a link?

I think they only put them on the site when they have stock - unless they don't make them anymore, I bought mine a couple of years ago. Might be worth contacting them.
 
PaulMarcel said:
Those sound interesting. I searched Tool Theory's site and found a bunch of accessories for Festool things, but nothing for dust ports. Do you have a link?

I was told they still offer them but the website is under construction so some items are missing while the web pages are being worked on.
 
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