New Dust Extractor Ends

[antss]

[member=3373]Dovetail65[/member] -

the two principle issues are that the new fitting leaks like a sieve when attached to the curved hand tubes from the cleaning sets - and - the fitting captures dust in the bayonet groves which falls all over the place when you remove it.

Guys are also peeved because this supposed "upgrade" solved a problem pretty much no one had around here.  The fitting falling off the tool.  But..................the wonks forgot or purposefully decided not to address the other end of the hose at the vacuum.  It's still not a locking fitting .  [doh]

During all this upgrading and innovation the designers and management still can't fix a real problem with their guide rail deflector that is still left over from the spare parts bin of the last generation rail.

THIRTY YEARS AGO . [eek] [eek] [eek] [eek]

 

[ben_r_]

[member=3373]Dovetail65[/member] -

the two principle issues are that the new fitting leaks like a sieve when attached to the curved hand tubes from the cleaning sets - and - the fitting captures dust in the bayonet groves which falls all over the place when you remove it.

Guys are also peeved because this supposed "upgrade" solved a problem pretty much no one had around here.  The fitting falling off the tool.  But..................the wonks forgot or purposefully decided not to address the other end of the hose at the vacuum.  It's still not a locking fitting .  [doh]

During all this upgrading and innovation the designers and management still can't fix a real problem with their guide rail deflector that is still left over from the spare parts bin of the last generation rail.

THIRTY YEARS AGO . [eek] [eek] [eek] [eek]

Bingo.

 

[Cheese]

I just dont get what the issue is with the new ends. They dont bother me at all.

And that's fine...what's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander.

I ordered 4 of the old ends from Uncle Bob, however they were all back ordered. I then called my local Woodcraft store and ordered 2 each of the ends and they were also backordered.

Tomorrow I will contact another local supplier and see what their inventory level is, this doesn't look good. I then have 2 other local suppliers to contact and we'll go from there.

 

[Tyler Ernsberger]

I just dont get what the issue is with the new ends. They dont bother me at all.

And that's fine...what's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander.

I ordered 4 of the old ends from Uncle Bob, however they were all back ordered. I then called my local Woodcraft store and ordered 2 each of the ends and they were also backordered.

Tomorrow I will contact another local supplier and see what their inventory level is, this doesn't look good. I then have 2 other local suppliers to contact and we'll go from there.

Good luck,  I've been looking everywhere for some better older ends. 

 

[Cheese]

I stumbled upon this distributor in Utah that appears to still be offering the old 487 071 hose end for sale.
https://www.mmtoolparts.com/store/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=487071

 

[blaszcsj]

For what it’s worth I really like the locking connection. Even with dust collection dust still hits the floor and I prefer my hose not slipping out of the tool than a little dust on the floor.

 

[antss]

um...............we're talking about the dust that builds up inside the groves of the locking hose end and then falls out when you unlock it.

I prefer that my hose not slip out of the tool too, but haven't had a problem with the older end except on the the ATF55 which had a rectangular aluminum fitting.

I also prefer my hose connection not to leak -  which the cleantec ones do.  :

So, an improvement for an issue that really wasn't an issue for most users but a downgrade in two other areas - one of which is fundamental to use ?

Festool's cleantec hose end = BIG FAIL for function. 

I'll bet it's profitable though.

 

[Claimdude]

Thanks Cheese! I just ordered two of the old style ends. I too dislike the new ones.

Jack

I stumbled upon this distributor in Utah the appears to be still offering the old 487 071 hose end for sale.
https://www.mmtoolparts.com/store/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=487071

 

[Cheese]

I prefer that my hose not slip out of the tool too, but haven't had a problem with the older end except on the the ATF55 which had a rectangular aluminum fitting.

Just curious...do you insert the hose end fully over the dust port? I have the RS 2, the DX 93 and the OF 1010 which all have the rectangular dust port. I've never had an issue with the hose falling off of any of them.

 

[jonathan-m]

Not that one opinion really matters, but I just wanted to let my opinion be known to Festool ...
I really hate the new hose end and dust ports on the new tools.

In fact I hate them so much I've sourced a few of the old hose ends and dust ports and switched them out on my HK55 & HK85.
I was planning to buy some ETS sanders as well, but I refuse to get them because of that retarded dust port design.

At the very least, you've lost a couple of sales with me because of this silly dust port/hose end design.
Just wanted to voice my opinion that I won't be buying anything with that new dust port design on them, so I guess it looks like I'm done buying Festool.
Good thing I've already got so much gear from back when they hadn't lost their mind at Festool yet.

The locking hose implementation is a bad design. It plain terrible. I personally hate it enough not to buy any more of your tools. Period.
There...

 

[Cheese]

Not that one opinion really matters, but I just wanted to let my opinion be known to Festool ...
I really hate the new hose end and dust ports on the new tools.

The locking hose implementation is a bad design. It plain terrible. I personally hate it enough not to buy any more of your tools. Period.
There...

Maybe a shout-out to [member=57769]TylerC[/member] would be appropriate at this time so that he can relay this information to Festool corporate.  [smile]

As an aside, I stopped at Woodcraft yesterday and noticed the latest DF 700 and Rotex 125 demo models both had the new dust ports with the dust catching recesses.  [crying]

 

[TylerC]

Maybe a shout-out to [member=57769]TylerC[/member] would be appropriate at this time so that he can relay this information to Festool corporate.  [smile]

Yep, I’m following along and will make sure that the right people see the feedback. It’s always good to get these sorts of constructive responses. Thanks, all.

 

[Tyler Ernsberger]

I’m not a fan of the new Festool Hose Ends but it’s not a battle worth fighting.  I have now learned to run the vac when switching between tools,  if not the dust trapped in the voids falls onto the ground.  My thing is that I wish Festool would offer both options and let us decide on the ends that we want to use.

 

[antss]

I prefer that my hose not slip out of the tool too, but haven't had a problem with the older end except on the the ATF55 which had a rectangular aluminum fitting.

Just curious...do you insert the hose end fully over the dust port? I have the RS 2, the DX 93 and the OF 1010 which all have the rectangular dust port. I've never had an issue with the hose falling off of any of them.

On the ATF you needed to insert the end inside the casting on the saw. There was a little ridge that engaged in the groove close to the end of the hose connector as I recall. It was a lot of engineering to a problem that had a much simpler solution.  It wasn't ideal, but wasn't bad enough that it pulled out during every use.  It was also the days of the single spine rails that had a deflector that spanned the entire rail so that the hose /cord didn't snag in the uncovered spine.

Tyler is aware of these issues and has relayed the info before, if I recall correctly.  Management has turned a blind eye again.  Tyler et al, just make the old style connector available again and you'll satisfy all parties at very little to no cost to you.

Wonder where Kapex stands in the que to receive the cleantec fitting ?  [big grin]

T - you have three hands? Otherwise that is a royal PitA

 

[pixelated]

I have a sander with the old connection, bought just prior to the changeover, and a saw purchased post change with the new connection. I agree with the comments that the left over dust in the locking grooves is an annoyance. To me, the locking end seems to address a problem that didn't really need to be solved. I've not found it to be a particular benefit for the saw, with the downside of some trapped dust.

OTH, I am looking forward to being able to buy the newly announced sleeved hose with the remote switch.

 

[Cheese]

I’m not a fan of the new Festool Hose Ends but it’s not a battle worth fighting.  I have now learned to run the vac when switching between tools,  if not the dust trapped in the voids falls onto the ground.  My thing is that I wish Festool would offer both options and let us decide on the ends that we want to use.

Bingo... it’s all about options. What’s wrong with that? Some like the 125 sanders, some like the 150 sanders, some like the 1010 router, some like the 1400 router. Some like the old hose end, some like the new hose end. It may have been a good idea at the time, however, it didn't work out like it was supposed to so...just move on.

Run new ends and old ends, market them both and go on from there. It's only 1 extra part number in the vast sea of 10,000 Festool part numbers.  Festool already owns the tooling for the old hose end so that costs nothing. 

Sometimes when you put a customer in a headlock while also applying a knife to the solar plexus, the final result just doesn’t quite work out the way the marketeers thought it would.  [doh]

 

[blaszcsj]

I don’t have a 36 mm hose so I have to use the inside ports. So on my 1400 and TS I had struggled with them popping out from time to time. I dont have a problem with any of my sanders or the of1010 with either connection.

There is some build up in the TS and 1400 connections. I am actually looking for the new locking 1400 dust shroud.

I prefer that my hose not slip out of the tool too, but haven't had a problem with the older end except on the the ATF55 which had a rectangular aluminum fitting.

Just curious...do you insert the hose end fully over the dust port? I have the RS 2, the DX 93 and the OF 1010 which all have the rectangular dust port. I've never had an issue with the hose falling off of any of them.

 

[yetihunter]

The memory of my antistatic hoses love to drag my routers to the concrete floor
if they're not secured when set aside.  The depth gauges are all broken, but the hose has never disconnected  [big grin]

However, the "upgraded" tools I've bought (the updated ets, rts and dts) all have
caked in schmoo on the dust port, and they spit dust all up into the air and up nosey nose when switching out.  [cool]

I dunno, maybe someone up on a roof is totally benefitting?

 

[DynaGlide]

I think we can all agree the new connectors are terrible in their current form. Aside from being too stiff (needs to be a softer composition), how can we fix the collection in the recesses?

How about a strategically drilled 1/8" hole in the recesses? Should do the trick. I'm betting we all have a few of these to experiment on.

It would be wonderful to have a fixed connector show up in the mail free of charge but in the meantime let's just figure out a work around.

 

[antss]

I think we can all agree the new connectors are terrible in their current form. Aside from being too stiff (needs to be a softer composition), how can we fix the collection in the recesses?

How about a strategically drilled 1/8" hole in the recesses? Should do the trick. I'm betting we all have a few of these to experiment on.

It would be wonderful to have a fixed connector show up in the mail free of charge but in the meantime let's just figure out a work around.

I hate to be a stick in the mud but, why should I have to rube goldberg a brand new dust fitting to keep from spilling dust ? 

And from a company that touts itself as a pioneer in dust collection for hand tools ?

And what are we 'sposed to do about the leakage ?    Duct tape ?  : 

That'll sure fix it in a hurry .  And I bet if if I take 1/2 an hour to search, I can find some in Festool navy and green so it's all ghetto fab matchy matchy.  [crying]'

The easiest and simplest would be to bring back the old ones for those that want them.  [poke]

My guess is that FT OEMs them from someone anyway.  Simply requires a phone call to make it happen.