new festool extractor?

[bertv]

Not as much as you are, so I will,ask again:

who or what segment / trade is this vac targeted at ?

Are you buying one ? What are you going to use it in place of ?

I can imagine tradesmen who work in Parisian apartments being very happy with a small and light vac. My late GF used to rent an apartment on the edge of the Marais and hauling our luggage and other stuff up those 86 stair threads always really took it out of me.

 

[Cheese]

if you took all those away from my 26 or my MIDI you would have to make it as cheap as a Shop Vac brand because that is all you are selling me.

You're exactly correct...it's for those that want a vacuum with Shop Vac utility but with a Festool name on the product instead. So given the "extra value" or cachet of the Festool name, this thing would have to be priced in the $150-$200 range to be competitive.

However, unless this CT 15 is made in China or a similar location, it will never be priced in that range. Thus the question becomes who will pay $300-$350 for a bare bones/stripped down Festool vac?

 

[Michael Kellough]

I assume it will still have a by-pass motor design so it’ll be much quieter than a Shop Vac. That’s something.

 

[Svar]

I assume it will still have a by-pass motor design so it’ll be much quieter than a Shop Vac. That’s something.

Not to mention power socket, auto-start, and variable speed.
CT17, a similarly stripped down machine has been selling for years. Why would this one be any different?

 

[xedos]

you would have to make it as cheap as a Shop Vac brand because that is all you are selling me

What do you think the chances of that are ?

I can imagine tradesmen who work in Parisian apartments being very happy with a small and light vac.

And why wouldn't they just go for the MINI or the SYS ?  The ones that would allow them to attach their other systainers to make it easier to walk up those stairs and make less trips doing so.  Plus the other drawbacks mentioned once there. 

How many CT17's do you guys in Europe see ?  I'll bet it's not a big seller.  NAINA , probably because no one would buy it.

 

[Cheese]

Well the price for the CT 15 is $340.

And this is the way Festool recommends moving the vac around. The hose appears to be strapped to the top.

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The storage area for the vac attachments is rather nice.

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[pingvinlakrits]

I don't think it is all too bad if you look at size vs bag capacity.

It has a 15L container and a full 15L filter bag capacity which is way better than the MINI which has a 10L "capacity" though the filter bag is only 7.5L. I hated the MINI while I had it: only slightly smaller than the MIDI and dropped performance so much faster when the bag filled up a little bit. The CT15 has double the filter bag size than the MINI.

I have the current CTM MIDI which has a 15L "capacity" but a 12.5L filter bag. The new CT15 has a 2.5L "advantage" over the MIDI if you will. If you don't mind the lack of BT and primarily use it for cleaning up and light duty with the machines it might not be so bad after all considering the price difference.

That grey hose is not my favourite though. I use it on my oldest CT22 for general clean up in the workshop and have a cyclone on top which is metal and that static hose keeps me alert when I drag my feet around... zap zap.

I love the current CTM MIDI for the BT as well as performance and I use it the most out of my four vacuum cleaners from Festool. Since I use a lot of non Festool gear the on/off switch at the hose saves the day, every day.

 

[DynaGlide]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member]

Where did you get the pricing and pictures from?

I'll weigh in on why I'd be interested. I have a CT 26 with the WCR 1000 on top. It's shop bound. But there's times I'd like to setup elsewhere in and around my house. Example: going to be doing some reno work next year on my office. It'll be a couple month project and I'd like to just setup a second work area. I know if I move the CT 26 upstairs I'll inevitably need it back in my shop in the basement. The CT Sys has too many compromises for me to get excited about it. This CT 15 can be easily carried and setup, has bluetooth, and all of the main things I'd be looking for. If the price @ 340 is accurate it gets me excited. The next vac up I'd consider is the MIDI @ 540 and that's more than I'm interested in spending.

 

[neeleman]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member]
This CT 15 can be easily carried and setup, has bluetooth, and all of the main things I'd be looking for.

Sorry but the CT 15 has NO Bluetooth!
It also lacks a systainer bay, wheel brake and a green AS hose.
But that's why it's 35% cheaper then the CTL Midi I (in Europe).
Used to FT high pricing, it's a bargain in my eyes!

 

[DynaGlide]

Well shoot. Guess I'm back to looking elsewhere.

 

[tony_sheehan]

Of interest to possibly no one but fwiw:-
https://kranzle-pressure-washers.co...4&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign

More expensive than the ct17

 

[Cheese]

[member=44099]Cheese[/member]
Where did you get the pricing and pictures from?

[member=65062]DynaGlide[/member]  I believe I went to the German Festool website to garner that info. I was surprised at the price considering the Festool premium but was still not sure it was a deal breaker for the average Joe looking for an alternative to the Shop Vac that sells for $89 at wherever...

 

[DynaGlide]

https://www.festool.de/produkte/saugen/absaugmobile/575988---ct-15-e-set#Overview

I guess I'm still interested. The inclusion of the non-AS hose is annoying. If I saw myself wanting to upgrade that to the green new style @ $130 then might as well get into a CT MIDI with the hose included as well as Bluetooth. Yup I think I just talked myself out of this odd CT 15.

 

[pingvinlakrits]

For me, personally, I think the MINI is the worst of the lot, for such a small bag vs size the CTL Sys makes more sense for weight.

The CT15 has the largest bag size and the lowest price and up until recently most people got by fine without Bluetooth. I see the CT15 as an alternative to the MIDI and a better option than the MINI.

Personally I prefer my Bluetooth MIDI and my Bluetooth outfitted CTL26.

 

[FestitaMakool]

For me, personally, I think the MINI is the worst of the lot, for such a small bag vs size the CTL Sys makes more sense for weight.

The CT15 has the largest bag size and the lowest price and up until recently most people got by fine without Bluetooth. I see the CT15 as an alternative to the MIDI and a better option than the MINI.

Personally I prefer my Bluetooth MIDI and my Bluetooth outfitted CTL26.

But why.. I have the mini Bluetooth, and the CT SYS. It is also about where the dust collector might fit, not everyone drives big vans, some have spaces that the mini just fit. I have a perfect height saw table on wheels for my CS50, where I used to have a Kärcher which I had to remove the wheels to get it to fit under, before I bought the mini I took some measures, and the mini fits perfect in this space, without removing anything. This means I have the top of the CS50 in same height as MFT/3 and all the accessories will fit, since it is the same height. And I can drag it out of it’s “cave” to roll it to another job. The mini also fits under my car's boot cover, just, it couldn’t be even a centimetre higher, and I would have to remove the cover. The difference in height between mini and midi is about 5cm, the new CT15 is even 3cm’s lower than the mini. I’m going to use a separator with the table saw, as I did with the Kärcher. (I have space under the table for that as well, behind the extractor). As someone else in here has done, is to order the bottom of the Midi, to essentially have both, by just exchanging their base. The CT SYS does not have Bluetooth or variable suction, and is therefore a second choice for me, but nonetheless a great addition. Funny though, Festool charges roughly $50 more for the Midi for the 5cm higher walls of the Midi’s base.. I haven’t checked what the base with wheels alone costs. I really like the Mini/Midi, they have a very good set of features, and both are very compact and easy handled units.

 

[pingvinlakrits]

I agree that the smaller MINI is "practical" in terms of space and fitting under a CS50. But that's about where the logic ends.

I also have a CS50 and in my opinion the CT MINI is the last (well, after the CTL SYS) Festool vac I would use for a table saw. First of all the very small bag capacity. The MINI is good for sanding, general clean up and borderline ok for small routing.
Secondly the small diameter hose (which you can increase by getting a bigger one which you cannot fit in the hose garage...) and don't forget about the reduction in suction when the  bag is starting to fill up.

I have had the MINI, I have the CTL SYS, the current MIDI and CT22 and CTL26. The CTL SYS and MINI competes with making most or least sense. The CTL SYS should be upgraded with BT and variable suction in my opinion but other than that I am not thrilled with the concept of the MINI or CTL SYS for having such low bag capacity.

In the end I decided the MINI was neither here nor there for me and that the CTL SYS is a great complement to the MIDI on site for small cleanup or even wearing over the shoulder keeping things clean when drilling in high places.

The CT15 would be more interesting to me, if I didn't have the CTM MIDI. The MIDI is a little large but does a great job and I rarely need to bring the CTL26 and the MIDI is much lighter with the bag nearing full than the CTL26 is.

Also true is that the CTL SYS on a skate is pretty much the same size as the MINI with less performance but for some jobs it is a lightweight and very manageable piece of kit for tasks where the amount of dust generated is small to begin with.

 

 

[AlexThePalex]

I agree that the smaller MINI is "practical" in terms of space and fitting under a CS50. But that's about where the logic ends.

Not sure you can speak about "logic" here, because everybody's situation and preferences are different.

Different solutions for different people, and they all have their own logic. One person may be mobile all the time, another might have a big shop, and another might have a small shop and yet another might have no shop at all and has to store his tools in a closet somewhere.

So the Mini doesn't work for you, fine, there are plenty of other options and I'm sure you're happy with some of them. I have 2 Mini's and I am perfectly happy with them. I traded my 26 for a Mini because of the smaller footprint and the suction is almost the same with the newer types. I use my Mini with the CS70 all the time, and takes me about a day of sawing to get the bag full, so what, a €3 bag is no problem on a full days' wages.

 

[Vondawg]

I agree on all points, everyone’s needs are different...the mini travels well with its small footprint and handles a lot

 

[FestitaMakool]

I agree with [member=5277]Alex[/member] and [member=41086]Vondawg[/member].
I’m sure the mini or midi won’t fit everyone’s need. And if I can afford it later, when I have built my shop in my small yard house, I might look for a CT26 or similar. But still, I think the mini will be the one I’ll keep beside a larger unit. I think the CT SYS will go before the mini, it is such a compact and feature rich unit, with its cleaning system, and a filter drawer. And if you use it with a separator for bigger loads of saw dust, as with a table saw, the “small” volume of the bag wouldn’t mean anything. Suction is the same as Midi, and those are very close to the CT26.

For hose that comes with, I have already bought one for sanding and cutting (with sleeve), and I might even get one larger diameter hose for general use, maybe a 5 metre, as I think the Mini/Midi will cope well even with a longer hose (I might be wrong, so if anyone have tried, I would like to hear about your experience) In the way I work now, I can store the extra hoses on the wall. This means I can always have the hose that came with the Mini tucked in it’s garage, for more mobile use.

 

[AlexThePalex]

and I might even get one larger diameter hose for general use, maybe a 5 metre, as I think the Mini/Midi will cope well even with a longer hose (I might be wrong, so if anyone have tried, I would like to hear about your experience)

Both my Minis I have the standard AS hose of 27 mm and I also have a non-AS 36 mm hose. The 36mm hose has a noticeably stronger suction than the 27 mm hoses, if you add 1,5 meter extra that is not going to make a difference. I often use my a 27 hose connected with my 36 if I have to sand high up.

What I do agree with Henrik about is that the loss of suction can be pretty quick and that's pretty annoying. Sometimes you have to change the bag when it's only 50 or 60% full, and that's a bit of a shame.