New Festool Products

[Packard]

I gave up on battery powered watches.  My 35 year old Movado Museum watch cost me $75.00 for a new battery 10 or 12 years ago.  It is likely more expensive now.

I would note that Movado replaces batteries in a atmospherically controlled environment.  That is something that the mall kiosks do not do.  I had a battery replaced one summer at a mall kiosk.  Shortly after that there was condensation on the inside of the crystal, and later the movement was sufficiently corroded to be labeled “not fixable”. 

I now only use solar rechargeable watches.  There is virtually no downside to these watches.  A single battery change will make these watches seem like a bargain. 

 

[Coen]

The phone can keep track of time too, so you can eliminate the watch completely. Even bigger savings.

 

[cpw]

Good that you brought up Apple... they are in the center of evil when it comes to repairability. And going by the rate of it's users that have broken charger cables... the defects are by design. Or just look at their laptop notebook wall adapters... huge block hanging in the outlet, creating trip hazards... and opportunities for it to break. While 99% of the competition uses exchange AC cord > brick with DC cord. That allows for not having something stick out of the wall or other place where you don't want it.

The little flip up from the brick can actually be changed for a longer cord if you want.  I am sure that Apple ships with the flip plug (1) because it is less expensive, and (2) most users actually prefer less cord than more.  I only use the fixed cord on my desk, which I never actually unplug.  For travel I use the adapters with the flip plug, which is too floppy for my taste.

 

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I now only use solar rechargeable watches.  There is virtually no downside to these watches.  A single battery change will make these watches seem like a bargain.

Ahem, there is something to be said for good old mechanical movements.

I am still annoyed by the Casio I got a couple years back as my to be "beat up" Quartz watch ... little did I realize it cannot handle below -5C without the battery going bananas randomly and then, again randomly, recovering causing the watch to show random time in effect. A watch that cannot handle me going to work in the morning or from it in the evening is about as useful as a brick. Thank you. No. Thank you.

Got a cheapest model*) of a mechanical one with an automatic movement as the daily driver. Solved.

If (erm, When) I break the glass, they can replace it in a proper way even 20 yrs down the line. Well worth the money.

EDIT:
*) From a local watch company, so "cheapest" is a relative term. Went for about 10x as much as the Casio Quartz one. Still was about 1/2 of a what a "proper" watch from them goes for.

 

[semenza]

At least on the previous SYS-LITES with built in battery they can still be used with external batteries.

Seth

 

[FestitaMakool]

[member=1619]SRSemenza[/member]  “I find the stepless to be PIA. I have a stepless light that I like very much so I put up with it. But I am always holding it too long or not long enough, and never know if it is on full or whatever level when I turn it on. So press and hold as it cycles through and try to stop it at full level, etc.”

Ditto exactly!

Yesterday was the 100th anniversary of the first broadcast of WNYC radio. I listen to the FM lineup all the time although mostly without using an actual radio. It’s a lot easier to carry my phone around than lug a radio even though reception of radio waves is a lot more reliable than my WiFi.

The new KBS C has a dial to control the lighting level  [wink] - That’s why I can like it.
A single button to control any form of “level” - No thanks!

 

[FestitaMakool]

[member=71478]FestitaMakool[/member] I actually have a number of photography LED light and panels, but they're always such a pain to assemble and the batteries add further inconvenience.

Now that I've bought into the Festool battery platform in a big way, being able to use the same batteries as my tools is just invaluable, so I'd be very happy to pretty much replace most of my lighting where suitable with the new Festool ones, the convenience and never needing to worry about the batteries would save me so much time and mucking around.

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I prefer built in battery
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But why? Much harder to fix a broken battery.

I detest things with fixed battery. The battery usually reaches end of life long before the tool itself does. The same with phones, but with phones there is basically no choice left

I happen to have a battery spot welder, but it's expensive and not for everyone. I upgraded a Metabo 14.4 pack from 2009 from an (original) 1.3 Ah to 2.5 Ah last weekend, replaced a leaking cell in a Bosch ProCore 18V 4Ah pack and put in all new cells in a Bosch 18V 5 Ah pack.

My hair clipper has a built-in (NiMh) battery and it wears down too. Super annoying when it craps out when you only did half your head..

I don’t necessarily disagree on this Coen, built in batteries are usually as you describe - its a throw away mentality - get a new item, from China..
But regarding handheld lights I’ve bought and used lately, most have served me well with good runtime and output. They do charge slow though..

The ideal would be excangable batteries that are small enough for small devices - just as the power tool world. I’d like to see more products on the 12V platform, even less volt for not so power hungry devices that can be exchanged and charged on a separate charger.

 

[Coen]

[member=71478]FestitaMakool[/member] I actually have a number of photography LED light and panels, but they're always such a pain to assemble and the batteries add further inconvenience.

Now that I've bought into the Festool battery platform in a big way, being able to use the same batteries as my tools is just invaluable, so I'd be very happy to pretty much replace most of my lighting where suitable with the new Festool ones, the convenience and never needing to worry about the batteries would save me so much time and mucking around.

[...]
I prefer built in battery
[...]

But why? Much harder to fix a broken battery.

I detest things with fixed battery. The battery usually reaches end of life long before the tool itself does. The same with phones, but with phones there is basically no choice left

I happen to have a battery spot welder, but it's expensive and not for everyone. I upgraded a Metabo 14.4 pack from 2009 from an (original) 1.3 Ah to 2.5 Ah last weekend, replaced a leaking cell in a Bosch ProCore 18V 4Ah pack and put in all new cells in a Bosch 18V 5 Ah pack.

My hair clipper has a built-in (NiMh) battery and it wears down too. Super annoying when it craps out when you only did half your head..

I don’t necessarily disagree on this Coen, built in batteries are usually as you describe - its a throw away mentality - get a new item, from China..
But regarding handheld lights I’ve bought and used lately, most have served me well with good runtime and output. They do charge slow though..

The ideal would be excangable batteries that are small enough for small devices - just as the power tool world. I’d like to see more products on the 12V platform, even less volt for not so power hungry devices that can be exchanged and charged on a separate charger.

I have a small light on my belt, 24/7. For almost 12 years that used to be a Fenix L1T; single AA light. I abused it by using 3.7V Lithium in it for massively increased light output. I lost it late 2022. I replaced it with a Fenix LD12. Most of the 8 lithium rechargeable batteries I used in it are now dead or down to like 30% capacity. Had I had a light with build-in battery... I would have needed three to begin with and eventually would have had to replace the build-in battery in all of them (twice) by now.. And the great thing is, AA batteries are everywhere. In almost every household there are spares. Every gas station, night store, supermarket etc. sells them.

I bought four new Nitecore 14500 NL1485 850mAh cells and the Fenix is holding it's higher output levels significantly longer. Besides of course massively increased runtime. That will probably cover most of the next ten years of use of this light. Since the LD12 has anti-roll and because I use a better holster with it, I might get even more years out of this one.

As for small replaceable batteries; the pouch batteries are too vulnerable for end-user replacement, requiring another layer of hard plastic. Cylindrical cells are easier, but not practical for things like phones. But personally I wouldn't care if the phone became uniformly thick instead of having a camera bump...

There is a massive assortment of 12V tools, especially in Milwaukee red and Bosch Pro (blue). Not so much Festool 12V..

 

[BJM9818]

Thanks for the scangrip info will check them out.

Anybody have a $$ point on the new air filter?  I have a Omniair filter I normally set up along with my zip wall barrier but it’s big and bulky.  Systainer option would be great for a multitude of uses

 

[squall_line]

Thanks for the scangrip info will check them out.

Anybody have a $$ point on the new air filter?  I have a Omniair filter I normally set up along with my zip wall barrier but it’s big and bulky.  Systainer option would be great for a multitude of uses

It hasn't been announced for North America yet, but the price in Europe is 1,000 Euros, give or take.

Don't take that as gospel truth and simply convert to USD as far as North American pricing goes, because most Festool offerings don't end up priced that way. 

Australia will probably see a price around 25,000 AUD, knowing their luck.  [wink]

 

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Australia will probably see a price around 25,000 AUD, knowing their luck.  [wink]

Indeed. Costs a lot to get things working upside down.

Anyway, the main thing will be filter sets prices / the running costs. Will be interesting how it compares to the industrial filters on the market.

The second one is noise - I am interested in this for home use as well so noise is key. The industrial machines tend to be too loud and too big for that and "home" filters are mostly useless on air volume side.

 

[luvmytoolz]

I happened to be at a tool shop Friday arvo and was chatting to the sales guy about the new lights, and as it happens they're a scangrip supplier.

There's some pretty nice models in the range, all expensive of course but we are talking Australia, but the one that really looked neat was a 10k lumen 360 degree model with built in diffuser that you can sit, use on a tripod, or hang upside down.

I might wait and see what Festools pricing is like when the lights are released, and then decide which way to go.

 

[city17]

Ordered the Syslite KBS C, was about €160 at Rubart. Comparable price to similar options from Scangrip, so decided to go the Festool route. Seems like a good light, but can imagine if it's much more expensive in other (e.g NA) markets it might not compare favorably with alternatives.

Only downside is that estimated delivery at the moment is the 11th of October.

 

[Cheese]

Just found this on Festool USA. Disappointed the new LED lights weren't included.  [sad]

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[Coen]

Seems someone had a capslock issue over at Festool USA [blink]

 

[Cheese]

I also stumbled upon this new item even though it's not listed on the new item page.
https://www.festoolusa.com/accessor.../accessory-kit/578047---zs-of-1010-i#Overview

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[woodferret]

Hurrah, it had seemed weird to release the edge guide but not the dust collection for it

edit: of course they delist 578054 (edge guide for 700/1010)

 

[PaulMarcel]

I'm hoping that some of the loaded minis are available for the Systainer Rack. They had some interesting ones

 

[bwehman]

Kind of weird that the kit doesn't include the LED light for the 1010 too?

 

[Lincoln]

Kind of weird that the kit doesn't include the LED light for the 1010 too?

Pretty sure it's in that micro systainer