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[Notorious T.O.D.]

This is off topic but do you lose the anti-static feature when you use the DD?

I have my Dust Deputy grounded to earth...so it doesn't seem to be an issue.

Best,
Todd

 

[tbellemare]

Would I be able to return it within 30 days

Yes - that's the simple answer and sometimes it's a little painful on this end but rarely...

Festool is so confident that you will thoroughly enjoy their tools, that they offer a 30-day money back guarantee. If you are not completely satisfied, you can return your Festool tool within 30 days of your purchase for any reason.

I don't think I sold it but it seemed like someone should step up and state the deal.

Tom

 

[Corwin]

This figures.  I waited for months to buy a CT22 and TS55 and right after I get it there is a new version coming out.  I bought this with the 10% off promotion so the CT22 cost me $454.  I believe there is a 30 day return period so should I return the CT22 and get the CT26 instead?  I still have a few weeks to return it and since it won't be out until Oct I would be without a vac for a month.  If you were in my shoes what would you do?

Since you purchased your TS55 and CT22 together, you should have received both the 'package' price on the purchase and the 10% discount on the TS55.  If you elect to return the CT22 during Festool's 30 day money back return policy, you should loose the 'package' discount that you received on your CT -- so, with the $50 increase in the price and the $50 package deal discount, the newer model will cost about $100 more than the CT you now own.  If I were in your shoes, I would be content with the extractor you already have and not go through the hassle and expense of returning the machine, waiting for the release of the newer model and then purchasing that model.

 

[zapdafish]

I've had my CT22 for about 3 months now and love it but if I were still within the 30day window and had the chance to exchange it for the new version, I'd do it in a heart beat even if there is nothing wrong with it. Why?, because I would no longer be satisfied knowing there is an improved version out there  :'(

 

[MavDog]

Thanks for all the feedback from everyone.  This is a tough decision.  I think that I am going to keep it for now for a few reasons.  Major one is that I would have to return it by the end of the month and would be without the vac for at least a month.  I have some projects planned for Sept and would need the vac for them.  Also a good point was made that with the package discount I received and the cost of a new one it would be about $100 more.  I think instead of returning it I will wait until the new one is available and then put mine up for sale and see what I can get for it.  It looks like the biggest difference with the new one is the self cleaning bags.  The suction isn't that much more and the other differences are not a big deal to me so if I can't sell my CT22 I don't think I will be disappointed. 

Is there that much of a noticeable difference in suction from an empty bag to a full one?  I know a Dust Deputy would take care of that issue and I am considering that also since I currently have one for my shop vac and it works great.  I would lose the stacking feature though so not sure I want to go that route yet.

I really appreciate all the comments from everyone and I am sure there are others that are trying to decide between the 22 or waiting for the 26.

 

[Notorious T.O.D.]

Mavdog, you don't have to loose the stacking feature to use the DD.  I used just the basic DD, a couple of HD buckets, a couple of 2" plastic electical conduit fittings and a section of 50mm hose.  My DD sits on top of the buckets and beside the CT22.  I guess the only downside is if I want to move the CT22 around I can disconnect the DD as a unit and use the CT alone or jsut move them both; which is what I usually do.

Best,
Todd

 

[Corwin]

...
Is there that much of a noticeable difference in suction from an empty bag to a full one?  I know a Dust Deputy would take care of that issue and I am considering that also since I currently have one for my shop vac and it works great.  I would lose the stacking feature though so not sure I want to go that route yet.
...

Often, it is hard to tell when the bag is getting full -- so, I would say that usually, there isn't much of a noticeable difference in the suction as the bag gets full. 

If you do elect to place a cyclone on top of your CT, you might look into getting a  Systainer Cart to stack your Systainers.  I have several of these and like them very much.

 

[woodguy7]

Just got a systainer cart, man they roll nice  [smile]

 

[marrt]

  In fairness, mavdog isn't trying to "game" the system according to his original post

I agree completely and was talking more generally. 

For example, I need a vacuum bad right now but I'm waiting on the 26.  Theoretically, I could just buy a 22, use it for my projects, then return it and wait on the 26.  In this case, I'd be gaming the system a bit.  Sure, it's allowed.  But, theoretically, I could buy all my Festools ONLY when I have projects.  Complete the projects, then return all the tools.  I've seen people do this with other products. 

 

[nickao]

Someone only games the system if they do the return in 30 days for the same tool many times.

The point is to try to the tool and see if you like it. Using it for a job and returning it, even if you intend that from the start is not gaming the system.

Festool is betting you will like the tool and not take it back and obviously it works. Most of the other companies have 90 day use an return for any reason periods, not 30 days and it works for them as well. The 30 days is not for the tool breaking, but is for determining how the tool performs and if you like it. And how can you judge that if you do not use it for a complete job!

Most people are honest and would not even do the use and return thing because of their conscience, even though it is within the rules and not wrong. With Festools they are so expensive they probably do not get much of the use and return thing. Anyone wanting to game the system can get three other tools from other brands for the same initial price as one Festool, for a longer period of time and return those. The type of person in the situation they need to game the system probably does not have that much money to make the initial purchase of a Festool. I am sure there are exceptions to the rule, but again I bet many people don't do the use and return in 30 days just to get free use of a tool, especially a Festool.They would get addicted anyway and want to keep it.  

 

[mouppe]

Let's look at it from Festool's perspective. I bet they attract more customers because of their return policy, than they lose through returned products. The customer can say to himself "What do I lose by trying it? If I don't like it, I can return it." And Festool know that perhaps 80% (my estimate) of those people end up keeping the product. So it's a win-win for everyone.

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Does this policy also apply to t-shirts and pens?  [poke]

 

[Sean7a]

Does this policy also apply to t-shirts and pens?   [poke]

  Ken, it most certainly does.  I haven't paid for one pen in the last 3 years mind you, nor have I washed one t-shirt.  [tongue]

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Thanks Sean!  Sorry I missed you at Gary Katz's show.  Would have liked to have seen your place and go thru another of
Gary's demos.

 

[Neill]

Does this policy also apply to t-shirts and pens?   [poke]

  Ken, it most certainly does.  I haven't paid for one pen in the last 3 years mind you, nor have I washed one t-shirt.  [tongue]

Sean,

So you are saying I could wear a t-shirt for 29 straight days and return it on day 30?  Although maybe after 29 straight days it could return itself. [smile]

Neill

 

[Ken Nagrod]

WOW it's good Festool doesn't sell underwear!  [jawdrop]

 

[Brice Burrell]

WOW it's good Festool doesn't sell underwear!   [jawdrop]

[big grin]

 

[Kevin D.]

When I first placed an order for a bunch of Festool stuff last fall, I was humming and hahing whether to get a CT.  My retailer, Dan Clermont mentioned how one US retailer he spoke to sets new people up with a CT unit often who would not have been ordering one otherwise, with the full understanding of the 30 day return policy.  Apparently, that retailer has never had anyone return a CT in that situation.  That SOLD me on getting the CT on that initial order.  My old shopvac seems like such a Kmart now.  It's relegated to Dirty Jobs (homage to Mr. Rowe intended) lol.

 

[mouppe]

Kevin, I know what you mean. I use the CT for all the festools and for cleaning up too. However, I do still connect the shopvac to the planer and the router table so it is not completely redundant. Even with the 36mm hose, the CT is not as efficient as the shopvac for the large volume of chips coming off the planer and router table. I could get a 50mm hose I suppose but then what would I do with the shopvac?!

 

[Corwin]

... However, I do still connect the shopvac to the planer and the router table so it is not completely redundant. Even with the 36mm hose, the CT is not as efficient as the shopvac for the large volume of chips coming off the planer and router table. I could get a 50mm hose I suppose but then what would I do with the shopvac?!

Since you are already using your ShopVac for your router table and planer, I would suggest getting that D50 hose to connect to your these tools.  And also get a separator lid or cyclone to place inline too.  This will work better than using your ShopVac since the CT produces more CFM than that ShopVac.  What will you do with that ShopVac then...  well, you could elect to place a Y adaptor coming out of your router table or planer and use the ShopVac in parallel with your CT -- and use a separator lid or cyclone with each unit.  Just a thought.   [cool]