New from Festool for Europe - September 2018: CT pre separator with cyclone tech

[Gregor]

I wonder if having no seal between the top and the bin being intentional so that blocking the inlet can't collapse the bin, by the maximum pressure differential being limited by air leaking in through the seam (which should quickly increase in case the clear bin decides to deform).

 

[Roachmill]

Absolutely Peter. That's the plan now I've something to catch the vast majority of debris. It'll certainly make the cost of replacing CT bags a whole lot more palatable. Which reminds me, I'll need to have a hunt for compatible clear bin bags. IDK what Festool are charging for their branded ones... but I can hazard a guess!

 

[Stone Message]

Absolutely Peter. That's the plan now I've something to catch the vast majority of debris. It'll certainly make the cost of replacing CT bags a whole lot more palatable. Which reminds me, I'll need to have a hunt for compatible clear bin bags. IDK what Festool are charging for their branded ones... but I can hazard a guess!

The bags are product code 204296 and have a RRP (inc VAT) of £22.92 for 10. I am sure that some of the box shifters will beat that price.

Peter

 

[Roachmill]

Ta for the product code but 10 for £20 still sounds a lot to me, not that I'd be changing them all that often. But then I am an Aberdonian and we're world renowned for having deep pockets and short arms

I'm currently looking at paper shredder bags as an alternative. 40ish litre ones appear to be somewhere around the right dimensions and 100 for £12 ain't bad. I would imagine they'll be a thinner gauge but may be worth a punt.

 

[Stone Message]

The only thing to watch, and I am sure that Festool have this right, is that a clear bag allows you to check before it is overfull. As someone else (Don from Anderson I think) has said, if the drop box bag gets too full then everything goes into the CT and that bag is filled fairly quickly.

Of course having a paper bag does make the recycling profile look a lot better.

Peter

 

[CirclDigital]

Mine arrived yesterday but I only had a short time to play with it. I did notice a reduction in suction more with the SYS hooked up than the MIDI. This was using the empirical hand-over-the-end-of-the-tube test and the cyclone top was left untouched between switching vacs so the seal should've been the same for both.

Thanks... that most reviews seem to avoid this subject is a bit telling.

 

[Roachmill]

Of course having a paper bag does make the recycling profile look a lot better.

Peter

Sorry, my mistake: it's clear plastic bags for paper shredders I'm looking for.

 

[rljatl]

There is probably a larger container out there somewhere that will work.  Maybe a tall kitchen trash can?

 

[GoingMyWay]

Wouldn't the hose be too short if the container were taller?

 

[rljatl]

Not if you placed the container on the floor next to the vac.

 

[Stone Message]

Wouldn't the hose be too short if the container were taller?

The seal is important and so if you want to do this just take an original drop box, remove the bottom and add on something bigger below.

As far as the hose goes the ends should be easily removed and fitted onto a new length of hose to suit the needs of the setup.

Or, to make life easier, just stick with things as they are.

Peter

 

[leakyroof]

If anything, I think the test Don did was more than real world. He basically overloaded the cyclone and forced it to produce results. The results were pretty astounding. I’m pretty slack-jawed with the results.

I’d expect that with the amount of debris that Don introduced into the cyclone and with the frequency that he kept introducing the debris that the cyclone would become overloaded. That would lead to a higher level of debris in the bag which was not the case.

  Although off topic a bit, my original UDD Cyclone and replacement unit handle massive dust input from using it with an 8" Drum Floor Sander, so if the Cyclone, any Cyclone ,is well thought out, it IS impressive how much dust they can handle.  Kudos to Festool, looks like an interesting set-up for people to use.

 

[Roachmill]

New bag in the SYS made the world of difference. Couldn't notice any real drop in suction and smooth versus slinky hose made no odds. Thanks again Peter for the wise words.

I also gave up on finding alternative bags (couldn't find comparible sizes that weren't paper thin) and just ordered the Festool ones. It's not like I'll be changing them every other day.

 

[peter halle]

Am I missing something?  If we are talking about the Festool bags that go into the Cyclone, can't they just be emptied just like dumping the bin?  And then reused?

Peter

 

[Don Ware]

Most of the people I know that have the 36 AC ( planex extractor ) reuse the liner over and over should be the same on the CT Cyclone. But with the Cyclone it would be more work to dump the bag then reinstall it, Just dump the dust out of the bin with out a bag skip the reinstalling the bag part.

 

[Roachmill]

Emptying the bin, or even a bag, will be an option for some but it's not all that viable for me where I live (a small island in the North Sea). I only have a small workspace with no air purification so emptying dust inside is not ideal. Outside it is then... however, due to getting hammered by high wind a lot of the time, it's "not fun" and it'll be a whole lot easier and safer to just bin it. The bags will make what has been a major PITA for me a lot quicker and easier.

 

[Stone Message]

Emptying the bin, or even a bag, will be an option for some but it's not all that viable for me where I live (a small island in the North Sea). I only have a small workspace with no air purification so emptying dust inside is not ideal. Outside it is then... however, due to getting hammered by high wind a lot of the time, it's "not fun" and it'll be a whole lot easier and safer to just bin it. The bags will make what has been a major PITA for me a lot quicker and easier.

With strong westerly winds you do not need to take too much care - the Norwegians might get worried though !

Peter

 

[Roachmill]

With strong westerly winds you do not need to take too much care - the Norwegians might get worried though !

Peter

Ha ha. Yes, they might. If you believe D.I. Perez from the Anne Cleves "Shetland" TV series,"You can see Norway from here on a clear day". You can't!

 

[SASPred]

Mine arrived yesterday but I only had a short time to play with it. I did notice a reduction in suction more with the SYS hooked up than the MIDI. This was using the empirical hand-over-the-end-of-the-tube test and the cyclone top was left untouched between switching vacs so the seal should've been the same for both.

I am new to the site but am a Festool Dealer in Canada with Windsor Plywood Calgary West in Alberta. The CT Cyclone is not designed to work with the SYS, MINI or MIDI collectors. Not sure if that was covered or not within the thread.

We got our demo unit tuesday and I have to say that I am quite impressed with it as we have it on a 26 that we use in our shop. The unit makes the minimum operating height of the 26 before you can stack more Systainers almost 40" or 1010mm so its a bit taller than most would like.

 

[Roachmill]

Mine arrived yesterday but I only had a short time to play with it. I did notice a reduction in suction more with the SYS hooked up than the MIDI. This was using the empirical hand-over-the-end-of-the-tube test and the cyclone top was left untouched between switching vacs so the seal should've been the same for both.

I am new to the site but am a Festool Dealer in Canada with Windsor Plywood Calgary West in Alberta. The CT Cyclone is not designed to work with the SYS, MINI or MIDI collectors. Not sure if that was covered or not within the thread.

We got our demo unit tuesday and I have to say that I am quite impressed with it as we have it on a 26 that we use in our shop. The unit makes the minimum operating height of the 26 before you can stack more Systainers almost 40" or 1010mm so its a bit taller than most would like.

It has been mentioned but no reason given as to why only for CT26+. It does appear to work with the smaller extractors so any official reason why it shouldn't be used would be appreciated.