New FS 55" hole drilling (LR-32) guide rail

Bob Marino

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Festool will now offer a 55"(1400) guide rail version of the hole drilling rail. The current 42" (1080) rail will be discontinued.
The new rail is the same as the standard 55" rail, except that these will have machined indexed holes for use with Festool's LR 32 hole boring system. These rails can obviously be used with the TS  saws, routers and jigsaws.
Item # is 496-939. Price is $95.50
THESE WIL BE AVAILBLE  FOR ORDERING ON MARCH 1, 2010.
 
I'm happy to learn that Festool finally "saw the light" on this item that was requested by many USA Festool owners, myself included, several years ago.  To me, it was always entirely logical to do so if you buy into Festool's "system" concept.  Of course, I already have the short LR 32 Guide Rail and two 1400 non-holed Guide Rails.

Dave R.
 
Bob - will this include the new end stops as well?  That way you can hook 2 55" together.  I'm getting ready to start a new project and the new rail will be required . . . along with a new 1400.  BTW, any other surprises coming this Monday?
 
NVA_WW said:
Bob - will this include the new end stops as well?  That way you can hook 2 55" together.  I'm getting ready to start a new project and the new rail will be required . . . along with a new 1400.  BTW, any other surprises coming this Monday?

I think they will be later; maybe summertime. No surpises that I know of.

Bob
 
Bob Marino said:
Festool will now offer a 55"(1400) guide rail version of the hole drilling rail. The current 42" (1080) rail will be discontinued.
The new rail is the same as the standard 55" rail, except that these will have machined indexed holes for use with Festool's LR 32 hole boring system. These rails can obviously be used with the TS  saws, routers and jigsaws.
Item # is 496-939. Price is $95.00
THESE WIL BE AVAILBLE  FOR ORDERING ON MARCH 1, 2010.

Hrrm... looks like I may be using the 30 day return policy for the first time.  Picked up the 1080 LR32 just a few weeks ago.  For $13.50, another foot is a bargain...  Hrrmm...
 
NVA_WW said:
Bob - will this include the new end stops as well?  That way you can hook 2 55" together.  I'm getting ready to start a new project and the new rail will be required . . . along with a new 1400.  BTW, any other surprises coming this Monday?

I think the new LR32 end stops will let you hook two 1080s together, as well as a 1080 and a 1400, or whatever combination.  The rail lengths aren't relevant.  The end stops keep the hole spacing at 32mm from rail to rail.
 
The logic of not having the stops available at the same time as the rails - as a consumer - baffles me I admit.
 
Peter Halle said:
The logic of not having the stops available at the same time as the rails - as a consumer - baffles me I admit.

Pete,

I hear ya, baffles me too.

Bob
 
mastercabman said:
Why can't they make all of their guide rail with holes?

I was about to post 'cost of manufacturing, of course!'  But then remembered that the standard 55" rail, FS1400 is only $0.50 cheaper than the 55" LR32.  Hrrm..  Stealth price decrease!  Awesome!    [big grin]
 
Yes they should ALL have holes. Seems like it would meet the system approach theory far better. I can't think of any negative to the rails with holes. I always recommend getting the rail with holes even if you don't think you will need them.
 
mastercabman said:
Why can't they make all of their guide rail with holes?

This was discussed here a long time ago.  IIRC, the answer is that the price (or profit) on the rails without the holes allows Festool to offer the rails with the holes at a more affordable price -- otherwise the rails with the holes would be much more expensive than they are now.  If Festool chose to market ALL their rails with holes, the price of the rails would be too high for many...
 
A standard problem for retailers is that they cannot determine the willingness to pay of individual consumers.  So, in order to price disciminate, they offer different bundles of goods with a pricing schedule that reflects what the retailer thinks is the distribution of consumer types.  Here, the high type of consumers (willing to pay a ton for Festool) is separated from the low type (willing to pay a lot but not a ton) by the possibility of buying a more valuable good at a very high price.

If all rails had holes, Festool would be forced to either ignore low types and sell only to high types (high price, fewer sales, lower overall profit) or sell to all types (low price, many sales, lower overall profit).  The high types would be happy with the latter since low types would be dictating price, but Festool would not.

Retailers can almost always make more money if they can price discriminate, and this is a great example of this phenomenon.  Festool is not a charity, and the option of a rail without holes is not to be nice to consumers.  The two rail options allow Festool to charge extra amounts to high type consumers who are willing to pay and therefore extract more money from everyone. 

Here is another nice example for you.

When the MFK 700 came out one could only buy the set option (I believe that is what it was called).  If I remember correctly, this was the motor, two bases, etc.  Then, some months later, a second option came out, one that allowed a purchaser to buy the motor and a single base.  Again, my memory may not be perfect on this.  Anyway, this order of product introduction was almost certainly not an accident.  Festool guesses that there is a set of consumers out there who want the MFK 700 a lot but do not really want the extra base.  These are medium types.  Along with medium types there are high types who will buy the MFK 700 no matter what.  The low types in this situation will not buy an MFK set regardless, that is, they do not want the MFK so much that they will buy it even with the extra base.  How to get the medium types to buy the extra base anyway?  Have only one bundle when the tool is introduced.  Then, after the medium types have bought the MFK 700 but the low types have not, introduce a MFK without the extra base.  With this the high types have already bought the set and are pleased, the medium types have bought the set and are pissed because they got stuck with a base they do not want, and finally the  low types now buy the MFK without the extra base.  Had Festool had the non-extra-base option available from the start, the medium types would have bought it instead of buying the set with the extra base.  This would mean less money for Festool.

The right pricing schedule depends on things like the distribution of types, how much they want to pay, etc.    All standard pricing theory...

 
Wood_Junkie said:
mastercabman said:
Why can't they make all of their guide rail with holes?

I was about to post 'cost of manufacturing, of course!'   But then remembered that the standard 55" rail, FS1400 is only $0.50 cheaper than the 55" LR32.  Hrrm..  Stealth price decrease!  Awesome!    [big grin]

Does this mean we might see some price drops in the coming months?!?!?!?!?!  I might be putting my next Festool purchase on hold until things settle down!
 
NVA_WW said:
Wood_Junkie said:
mastercabman said:
Why can't they make all of their guide rail with holes?

I was about to post 'cost of manufacturing, of course!'   But then remembered that the standard 55" rail, FS1400 is only $0.50 cheaper than the 55" LR32.  Hrrm..  Stealth price decrease!  Awesome!    [big grin]

Does this mean we might see some price drops in the coming months?!?!?!?!?!  I might be putting my next Festool purchase on hold until things settle down!

Ooops, my error,  the price of the new 55" rail is $95.50, not $95.00. Still, only a buck more than the current 55" rail is still a bargain.

Bob
 
Bob Marino said:
NVA_WW said:
Wood_Junkie said:
mastercabman said:
Why can't they make all of their guide rail with holes?

I was about to post 'cost of manufacturing, of course!'   But then remembered that the standard 55" rail, FS1400 is only $0.50 cheaper than the 55" LR32.  Hrrm..  Stealth price decrease!  Awesome!    [big grin]

Does this mean we might see some price drops in the coming months?!?!?!?!?!  I might be putting my next Festool purchase on hold until things settle down!

Ooops, my error,  the price of the new 55" rail is $95.50, not $95.00. Still, only a buck more than the current 55" rail is still a bargain.

Bob

See, you mention 'price drops' and immediately there's a 50c increase!  [big grin]
 
Ooops, my error,  the price of the new 55" rail is $95.50, not $95.00. Still, only a buck more than the current 55" rail is still a bargain.

Bob

See, you mention 'price drops' and immediately there's a 50c increase!  [big grin]

Good one, Jonny!

Bob

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only a buck more than the current 55" rail is still a bargain

ditto!

I'd be willing to bet that making those holes costs more than a buck.

Tom
 
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