New Guide Rail Square - Made in Canada

Dan Clermont

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Hello,

We are excited to announce a new track saw accessory - the Insta-RailSquare.

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The RailSquare slides into the T-slot in the bottom of a Festool or Makita guide rail and self-aligns with a draw-clamp. It's fast and easy to install and makes square cuts a breeze. We think you'll find this to be a very handy accessory.

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A laser-engraved scale simplifies repetitive cuts. Made in Canada from CNC'ed aluminum, anodized.

Free shipping in Canada. Visit our website for details and to order.
 

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I'm sorry, but this looks like 1:1 TSO product ripoff. Plus scale, but minus clamp slot.
 
Svar said:
I'm sorry, but this looks like 1:1 TSO product ripoff. Plus scale, but minus clamp slot.

Maybe Hans has a licensing agreement? That would make sense, however about the name change...
 
After speaking with Hans for about an hour a couple of days ago I doubt he has a licensing agreement.

Peter

EDIT:  After just speaking with Hans this is not a licensed product.  Other than that I will let him speak for himself, or not, if he wishes because patents are involved.

Peter
 
bnaboatbuilder said:
Competition is good, but it's still overpriced for what it is.
It's not competition, it's nearly exact copy. At least they could have improved something.
 
we can answer the question clearly:

TSO Products has not licensed or authorized anyone to reproduce or sell a copy or cheapened replica of our Patent Pending invention: the GRS-16 series of Guide Rail Squares.

We continue to sell AND SHIP worldwide.
Your business and continued support is welcome and sincerely appreciated.

Hans and ERic
info@tsoproducts.com
 
I would hope that most Foggers would be honorable enough to ignore this attempt to make a buck from someone else's hard work and effort. I guess TSO should have applied for a Canadian patent also, but then someone elsewhere might have made the copy.

The fact that a Festool dealer is promoting this knock-off product is disappointing.
 
I agree with Jimbo ☝️. I am very disappointed people are promoting this, especially the dealers on Instagram. I will continue to call out the knockoff when I see it posted.

Travis
@toolsbydesign
 
I could not look myself in the mirror if I bought this knock off if it was not licensed.
 
I think dealers promoting this are doing a disservice to TSO for carrying this clone of a product. 

We all want innovation.  We all want new ideas.  We want a reliable supply.  And we should want healthy suppliers. 

Making a buck off of someone else's innovation may not be illegal without a massive patent battle.  But it is wrong.

FOG members and Festool users are creators.  Builders.  Many make their living off of executing original ideas.  Their craft.  Their fit and finish.  Their commitment to quality. 

It's a shame to see Dan undermining the spirit of that creativity and the business of TSO.  To only make a few bucks on a rail square. 

I don't know the company manufacturing the new square, but can clearly see it's a cheaper clone of a product I'm sure TSO has spent hundreds of hours and tens of thousands of dollars developing.

If you Google 'guide rail square' TSO owns the results.  Google calls that 'category authority.' 

If you Google 'Insta Railsquare' you get a video on YouTube.  Uploaded 5 hours ago.

 
Does the patent TSO have in the US matter in Canada (assuming TSO has a patent at all)?
 
All I can say is wow, what I'd truly like too say would get me band permanently from this forum.

Tom
 
Really? Dan and other dealers are doing NOTHING WRONG other than fostering competition. It's a TSO issue as to what they want to do. If that was the case everyone here would buy nothing but a QWAS dogs and we know darn well that's not the case and the companies selling knock offs would not be here instead of actually being leaders here.

Qwas was playing with these things YEARS before anyone else, yet tons of guys here praise the other companies products  that we all know knocked him off. And still no one but Qwas Dogs even fit right. he pretty much isn't even here anymore and it's a shame. So this is nothing new.

Its either  fair game for everyone or not. SO please dont call out anyone trying to make money, it's business and it's not always nice nor perfect.

So many of my so called competition over the years have taken my pictures from my site and actually used them on their own site, even stolen my designs to the point they didn't even redraw them, but took  a picture of designs I made for a client and just posted it on their site! And it's a larger company too. I dint cry over it, I worked around it.

I don't cry like a baby, I foster relationships with clients and it overrides anyone efforts to intentionally or unintentionally hurt  me. I dont think anyone is intentionally trying to hurt TSO, they are trying  to make a living.

If you put a good idea out there some will use it. So don't share ideas or start a business unless you expect copies and have a plan. TSO is in business and they know what happens and I am betting anything they wont let it bother their bottom line. With TSO quick changes to products based on feedback the others trying to copy will most likely fail.

I have seen many in 15 years laugh at me say making those inlays is easy, start up a business and now they are gone. I even get calls from people that purchased from the big guys saying they were unhappy and I get their new business. If I let some of those early copy cats get to me I would have stopped 14 years ago and I am glad I didn't. I am here the others are gone and I am betting if TSO focuses on niche stuff they will be fine as well. With a product like this a person usually gets what they pay for, if it's cheaper it's almost certainly not as good. I know TSO cant be making much as it is so anything as good can't possibly cost much less. The margins just arn't there. I am not sure how TSO even sells their stuff in the first place. Trying to undercut them can't last long.

We dont have to dis others selling or promoting similar items. Heck it may induce TSO to make improvements to their products yet again. I use one of their items every single day and no knock off that is cheaper will cause me to bail on them when I go to make my next purchase.
 
Svar said:
Apparently some believe that patent infringement is nothing wrong.
Does a US Patent matter in Canada? Im honestly asking as I do not know how patents work internationally.
 
Dovetail65 said:
Really? Dan and other dealers are doing NOTHING WRONG other than fostering competition. It's a TSO issue as to what they want to do. If that was the case everyone here would buy nothing but a QWAS dogs and we know darn well that's not the case and the companies selling knock offs would not be here instead of actually being leaders here.

Qwas was playing with these things YEARS before anyone else, yet tons of guys here praise the other companies products  that we all know knocked him off. And still no one but Qwas Dogs even fit right. he pretty much isn't even here anymore and it's a shame. So this is nothing new.

Its either  fair game for everyone or not. SO please dont call out anyone trying to make money, it's business and it's not always nice nor perfect.

So many of my so called competition over the years have taken my pictures from my site and actually used them on their own site, even stolen my designs to the point they didn't even redraw them, but took  a picture of designs I made for a client and just posted it on their site! And it's a larger company too. I dint cry over it, I worked around it.

I don't cry like a baby, I foster relationships with clients and it overrides anyone efforts to intentionally or unintentionally hurt  me. I dont think anyone is intentionally trying to hurt TSO, they are trying  to make a living.

If you put a good idea out there some will use it. So don't share ideas or start a business unless you expect copies and have a plan. TSO is in business and they know what happens and I am betting anything they wont let it bother their bottom line. With TSO quick changes to products based on feedback the others trying to copy will most likely fail.

I have seen many in 15 years laugh at me say making those inlays is easy, start up a business and now they are gone. I even get calls from people that purchased from the big guys saying they were unhappy and I get their new business. If I let some of those early copy cats get to me I would have stopped 14 years ago and I am glad I didn't. I am here the others are gone and I am betting if TSO focuses on niche stuff they will be fine as well. With a product like this a person usually gets what they pay for, if it's cheaper it's almost certainly not as good. I know TSO cant be making much as it is so anything as good can't possibly cost much less. The margins just arn't there. I am not sure how TSO even sells their stuff in the first place. Trying to undercut them can't last long.

We dont have to dis others selling or promoting similar items. Heck it may induce TSO to make improvements to their products yet again. I use one of their items every single day and no knock off that is cheaper will cause me to bail on them when I go to make my next purchase.
Exactly. Glad someone said it! I just wish they would have made this one a lot cheaper. These products are too overpriced for what they are IMO. Oh well, guess we're going to have to wait till the chinese start making a copy.
 
ben_r_ said:
Does a US Patent matter in Canada? Im honestly asking as I do not know how patents work internationally.
Usually no, but selling a knockoff in US would be illegal until patent expires.
 
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